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Ex-Astros slugger Jimmy Wynn, nicknamed ‘Toy Cannon,’ dies at 78

Jimmy Wynn, the diminutive Houston Astros slugger whose monster shots in the 1960s and ‘70s earned him the popular nickname “The Toy Cannon,” has died. He was 78.

The Astros said Wynn, a three-time All-Star outfielder, died Thursday in Houston but did not provide further details.

Just 5-foot-9, Wynn was packed with power. He hit more than 30 homers twice with Houston, including a career-high 37 in 1967 at the pitcher-friendly Astrodome.

“Jimmy’s success on the field helped build our franchise from its beginnings,” the Astros said in a statement. “After his retirement, his tireless work in the community impacted thousands of young people in Houston. Although he is no longer with us, his legacy will live on at Minute Maid Park, at the Astros Youth Academy and beyond.”

 

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   1. The Duke Posted: March 27, 2020 at 07:45 AM (#5933938)
55 War and only 1665 hits. Must be one of the better WAR per hit ratios ever.
   2. Ron J Posted: March 27, 2020 at 08:26 AM (#5933947)
In today's "Man I'm getting old!". People whose entire career you can recall should not be dead at 78. Real fun to watch. Such an odd player (at the time particularly)

His 1969 Stat card was such an eye opener. Without knowing what OBP was I got an understanding of its value.
   3. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2020 at 08:27 AM (#5933948)
Elected to the Hall of Merit in the 1996 election. His power in the Astrodome was overlooked and he drew a ton of walks.
   4. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2020 at 08:30 AM (#5933951)
Jim Wynn MMP election results

1965 - 8th
1968 - 9th
1969 - 7th
1972 - 16th
1974 - 4th
   5. Scott Lange Posted: March 27, 2020 at 10:38 AM (#5933995)
55 War and only 1665 hits. Must be one of the better WAR per hit ratios ever.

.03 isn't that special. Walter Johnson blows him away at 10 times that!
(Actually, kind of crazy that Big Train is only 10 times higher.)
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 27, 2020 at 10:40 AM (#5933997)
He and Jose Cruz were early Bill James poster boys for park effects
   7. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 27, 2020 at 11:22 AM (#5934010)
55 War and only 1665 hits. Must be one of the better WAR per hit ratios ever.
If we take BBRef's numbers as gospel, the record is held by Gary Cooper (not the star of Pride of the Yankees), who managed 0.1 WAR with 0 career hits. (EDIT: My guess was going to be Herb Washington, but thanks to all of the caught stealing BBRef credits him with negative WAR.)

Lots of players are fewer than 30 hits/WAR, including 17 active players with more than 100 career hits. Wynn is 51st in lowest hits/WAR among players with 1000+ career hits. Top ten:

Player       WAR/pos       H    From      To   Ratio
Babe Ruth      162.1    2873    1914    1935    17.7
Barry Bonds    162.8    2935    1986    2007    18.0
Mike Trout      72.8    1324    2011    2019    18.2
Mike Schmidt   106.9    2234    1972    1989    20.9
Willie Mays    156.2    3283    1951    1973    21.0
Ted Williams   121.9    2654    1939    1960    21.8
Mickey Mantle  110.2    2415    1951    1968    21.9
Gene Tenace     46.8    1060    1969    1983    22.6
Rogers Hornsby 127.1    2930    1915    1937    23.1
Lou Gehrig     114.1    2721    1923    1939    23.8 

There are three more active players beside Trout ahead of Wynn -- Josh Donaldson, Andrelton Simmons, and Giancarlo Stanton.
   8. The Duke Posted: March 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5934022)
I should have focused on oWAR.His oWAR and WAR are the same. I assume this cut of the data would move him way up on the list. He had a ton of walks so hits/WAR isn’t the right metric
   9. Tyhand7 Posted: March 27, 2020 at 12:11 PM (#5934037)
My only memory of Jimmy Wynn was the 74 WS when Joe Ferguson playing RF cut Wynn off to make a catch and then threw someone out at home - I think it was Sal Bando
   10. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 27, 2020 at 12:32 PM (#5934048)
Wynn is 32nd in oWAR/hit (1000+ hits), ahead of Foxx and a fraction of a hair behind Johnny Mize. Move the limit to 1500 hits and he's 26th, move it to 1650 and he's 24th.

(Trout is #1 at 1000 hits, Ruth at 1500. Then Bonds, Mantle, Ted Williams.)
   11. DanG Posted: March 27, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5934052)
Ten times last century a player had 40+ SB with a 90% success rate. Wynn had one of those seasons.

Player           SB%  SB CS Year  Tm
Max Carey      96.23
51  2 1922 PIT
Davey Lopes    92.16
47  4 1985 CHC
Davey Lopes    91.84
45  4 1978 LAD
Bobby Bonds    91.84
45  4 1969 SFG
Davey Lopes    91.67
44  4 1979 LAD
'Jim Wynn      91.49% 43  4 1965 HOU'
Jerry Mumphrey 91.2352  5 1980 SDP
Barry Larkin   91.07
51  5 1995 CIN
Tim Raines     90.91
50  5 1987 MON
Willie Wilson  90.38
47  5 1984 KCR 
   12. The Duke Posted: March 27, 2020 at 12:38 PM (#5934053)
Is there anyone on the list ahead of him not in the Hall of Fame or who will be in Hall of Fame? Seems like he is more like Jim Rice than Jim Rice was.
   13. Jaack Posted: March 27, 2020 at 12:38 PM (#5934054)
I've always found it mostly sad, but a bit amusing that Jimmy Wynn, Early Wynn, and Randy Winn combined for zero World Series championships, unless you count Jimmy getting released by the 1977 Yankees.

Wynn, Jimmy is on the shortlist for most underrated player in baseball history.
   14. Tyhand7 Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:11 PM (#5934077)
That 1985 season for Lopes as a Cub - he was 40 years old
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:17 PM (#5934079)
I've always found it mostly sad, but a bit amusing that Jimmy Wynn, Early Wynn, and Randy Winn combined for zero World Series championships


Also, Win Remmerswaal.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:34 PM (#5934088)
Ten times last century a player had 40+ SB with a 90% success rate. Wynn had one of those seasons.


This is missing the Carlos Beltran season when he was traded to the Astros.
   17. bbmck Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5934089)
The 1341 players with 1000+ Hits combined for 2,172,076 Hits, 3,279,122 Total Bases, 784,141 Walks and 58,915 Hit by Pitch or Hits are 52.7% of TB+BB+HBP, individually:

32.3% - Mark McGwire
34.0% - Barry Bonds
34.2% - Adam Dunn
35.8% - Gene Tenace
35.9% - Jim Thome

36.0% - Carlos Pena
36.3% - Harmon Killebrew
36.4% - Babe Ruth
36.7% - Mickey Tettleton

37.x% - Mike Schmidt, Ralph Kiner, Gorman Thomas, Jose Bautista, Jason Giambi
38.x% - Ted Williams, Jay Buhner, Mickey Mantle, Troy Glaus, Carlos Delgado, Giancarlo Stanton, Mike Trout, Mike Napoli
39.x% - Darryl Strawberry, Pat Burrell, Greg Vaughn, Frank Thomas (Jr), Carlos Santana, Willie McCovey, Charlie Keller, Bryce Harper, Ryan Howard, Eddie Mathews, Mark Reynolds
40.x% - Chris Davis, Bob Allison, Lance Berkman, Jim Wynn, Jack Clark, Jeff Bagwell, Darrell Evans, David Ortiz, Jeromy Burnitz, Andre Thornton, Hank Greenberg, Jose Canseco, Dan Uggla, Cecil Fielder, Mark Teixeira, Travis Hafner, Nick Swisher, Edwin Encarnacion, Dave Kingman

67.x% - Cesar Izturis, Wilbert Robertson, Buck Weaver, Rennie Stennett, Kitty Bransfield, Jerry Remy, Don Kolloway, Hal Chase, Juan Pierre, Joe Quinn, George Browne
68.x% - Joe Hornung, Bones Ely, Felix Millan, Tommy Helms, Don Mueller, Larry Bowa, Buddy Hassett, Damaso Garcia
69.x% - Bobby Richardson, John Ward, Maury Wills, Everett Scott, Dee Gordon, Willie Keeler, Ivy Olson, Matty Alou, Charlie Comiskey, Sandy Alomar, Rey Sanchez, Tim Foli, George Stovall
70.x% - Deacon White, Walter Holke, Ezra Sutton, Lloyd Waner, Ozzie Guillen, Patsy Donovan, Stuffy McInnis, Gene DeMontreville

71.0% - Glenn Beckert
71.3% - Tommy Thevenow
71.4% - Jesus Alou
72.5% - Jack Burdock
73.7% - Hick Carpenter
74.3% - Joe Start
74.8% - Davy Force

Toy Cannon stands out more either if you add in time lining as he was ahead of his time or work out a calculation or harmonic mean to require both high BB/HBP and Extra Bases to score well. All the players with a lower % of H/TB and H/(H+BB+HBP) than Jim Wynn:

Mark McGwire: 44.7% H/TB, 53.9% H/(H+BB+HBP)
Barry Bonds: 49.1%, 52.4%
Adam Dunn: 48.4%, 53.8%
Gene Tenace: 56.3%, 49.6%
Jim Thome: 49.9%, 56.2%
Carlos Pena: 50.1%, 56.2%

Harmon Killebrew: 50.3%, 56.5%
Mickey Tettleton: 53.7%, 53.6%
Jason Giambi: 53.6%, 56.5%
Ted Williams: 54.3%, 56.3%
Carlos Santana: 55.7%, 56.9%
Jim Wynn: 57.4%, 57.1%

Gene Tenace is the only player with 1000+ Hits and more BB+HBP than Hits. Mark McGwire, Adam Dunn, Giancarlo Stanton, Barry Bonds, Dave Kingman, Babe Ruth and Jim Thome are the only players with 1000+ Hits to average over 2 bases per hit.
   18. DanG Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5934090)
This is missing the Carlos Beltran season when he was traded to the Astros.
Beltran had back-to-back 40/90 seasons, but that was in this century.
   19. DanG Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:44 PM (#5934092)
Is there anyone on the list ahead of him not in the Hall of Fame or who will be in Hall of Fame? Seems like he is more like Jim Rice than Jim Rice was.
Only three names on the list are in the HOF: Carey, Larkin and Raines.

And what's Jim Rice got to do with Jim Wynn, besides a similar name? Rice's career high in SB was 10. And Wynn had twice as many BB/162.
   20. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:51 PM (#5934095)
Is there anyone on the list ahead of him not in the Hall of Fame or who will be in Hall of Fame? Seems like he is more like Jim Rice than Jim Rice was.
EDIT: I suspect The Duke was referring to the list I referred to in #10, not the one in #11.

Active/not yet eligible players, PED cases, four guys who are HoM-not-HoF, and Gene Tenace. The list below is players with fewer than 28.86 hits/oWAR who aren't in the HoF (as a player). I didn't re-run the ratios in a spreadsheet, but Wynn would be last on this list in hits/oWAR:

Player            HR    H  oWAR From   To
Mike Trout       285 1324  71.4 2011 2019
Josh Donaldson   219 1048  37.7 2010 2019
Alex Rodriguez   696 3115 115.3 1994 2016
Barry Bonds      762 2935 143.6 1986 2007
Mark McGwire     583 1626  65.4 1986 2001
Gene Tenace      201 1060  47.6 1969 1983
Dick Allen       351 1848  70.2 1963 1977
Jim Wynn         291 1665  57.7 1963 1977
Charlie Keller   189 1085  39.5 1939 1952
John McGraw       13 1309  46.1 1891 1907 


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 3/27/2020.
   21. eric Posted: March 27, 2020 at 01:58 PM (#5934098)
That 1985 season for Lopes as a Cub - he was 40 years old


And only played 99 games that season, with only 325 PAs.

Beltran had back-to-back 40/90 seasons, but that was in this century.


He also had a 31 SB/*1* CS season in 2001, good for just under 97%.
   22. DanG Posted: March 27, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5934102)
Wynn had the most walks in a season among players of his generation. Top ten seasons in BB 1960-86:

Player            BB IBB  PA Year  Tm
Jim Wynn         148  14 653 1969 HOU
Harmon Killebrew 145  20 709 1969 MIN
Willie McCovey   137  40 638 1970 SFG
Joe Morgan       132   3 639 1975 CIN
Frank Howard     132  29 706 1970 WSA
Harmon Killebrew 131  15 689 1967 MIN
Mike Schmidt     128  17 669 1983 PHI
Harmon Killebrew 128  23 665 1970 MIN
Carl Yastrzemski 128  12 698 1970 BOS
Jim Wynn         127   1 584 1976 ATL 
   23. Ron J Posted: March 27, 2020 at 02:12 PM (#5934111)
#1 Somebody (I think it was Bill James) did what you might call a novelty study. Calculate offensive value. Then calculate offensive value with singles set to zero. (IIRC he also reduced AB). I'll bet Wynn is high up on the list of position players with long careers when you look at the percentage of value retained.
   24. DanG Posted: March 27, 2020 at 02:21 PM (#5934116)
That 1985 season for Lopes as a Cub - he was 40 years old
At one time Lopes held the career mark for SB%.

Here are the ten players over 83%, minimum 200 SB attempts:

Player             SB%  SB  CS From   To
Carlos Beltran  86.43
312  49 1998 2017
Jarrod Dyson    85.03
250  44 2010 2019
Mike Trout      84.75
200  36 2011 2019
Tim Raines      84.70
808 146 1979 2002
Eric Davis      84.10
349  66 1984 2001
Shane Victorino 83.39
231  46 2003 2015
Willie Wilson   83.29
668 134 1976 1994
Barry Larkin    83.11
379  77 1986 2004
Tony Womack     83.07
363  74 1993 2006
Davey Lopes     83.01
557 114 1972 1987 
   25. The Duke Posted: March 27, 2020 at 02:26 PM (#5934119)
Seems like Wynn could get some hall of fame traction if people drilled into his amazing offensive value. Fern, thanks for your efforts here. I’ve always been of the view that Allen should be in the Hall and Tenace is in if you are a big Hall guy who likes to give catchers a bit of extra credit
   26. PreservedFish Posted: March 27, 2020 at 02:28 PM (#5934121)
Beltran had back-to-back 40/90 seasons, but that was in this century.


Oh, I thought you meant in the last century, not in the last century.
   27. The Duke Posted: March 27, 2020 at 02:38 PM (#5934127)
A fascinating tidbit on why baseball cards did not use the word “Astros” in 1968

https://baseballhall.org/discover/card-corner/1968-1975-jimmy-wynn
   28. eric Posted: March 27, 2020 at 06:01 PM (#5934247)
Mike Trout      84.75% 200  36 2011 2019


Trout is another on the 40+ SB, 90%+ success rate list. In 2012 he had 49 SB in 54 attempts, .9074.
   29. Sweatpants Posted: March 27, 2020 at 10:55 PM (#5934329)
Wynn had the most walks in a season among players of his generation. Top ten seasons in BB 1960-86:
Even this doesn't do that season justice. His 148 walks that year tied the NL record, and it wouldn't be broken until 1996.
   30. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM (#5934338)
Wynn had the most walks in a season among players of his generation. Top ten seasons in BB 1960-86:


And in the last season on that list, he was completely shot as a hitter. He batted just .207 with 17 homers. But 127 walks.
   31. McCoy Posted: March 28, 2020 at 09:05 AM (#5934379)
My only experience with Wynn was with dealing with a teenager who was so far down the bill James rabbit hole that he thought Wynn was one of the greatest players of all time.
   32. Rally Posted: March 28, 2020 at 10:09 AM (#5934388)
Dont see what the big deal is. Mariano Rivera had similar WAR despite zero hits.

   33. Rally Posted: March 28, 2020 at 12:08 PM (#5934429)
I’m not sure what’s the most amazing thing about Wynn.

He put up stat lines in his best years that were interchangeable with those of Frank Howard, who stood almost a full foot taller and outweighed him by more than 100 pounds.

He dId it while playing in the Astrodome.
   34. base ball chick Posted: March 28, 2020 at 12:17 PM (#5934436)
more like altuve sized. well, maybe tony kemp sized. or pedroia sized. but he wasn't no 5-9

he was a meet n greet ambassador for the astros for years. and i did get to meet him, twice. He was at fan fest and he also stood in the lobby and greeted fans. he was sure a nice guy. i last saw him 10-15 years ago and he was barely taller than me then. so maybe 5-4. at the MOST
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: March 28, 2020 at 04:05 PM (#5934511)
SABR bio

Wynn was a Cincy kid, grew up near Crosley Field - the Reds' old home.

dad was a garbage man.

signs with the Reds in 1962, and at age 20 has 113 walks in 120 games in the Florida State League for a racist Tampa community. one of his managers, credited with treating him respectfully, was Johnny Vander Meer which is pretty cool.

the Astros stole him away after the inaugural 1962 season.

bio is well worth a click. I never heard the story behind that mysteriously bad 1972 season, and his groomsmen at his (third) wedding were pretty notable.
   36. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 28, 2020 at 05:14 PM (#5934538)
From the link in # 35:
Wynn grew up a few blocks from Crosley Field, the home of the Cincinnati Reds, and long remembered watching some of the Reds players walking past his house on their way to or from the ballpark.
Don't see many players walking to & from the ballpark anymore. Maybe Roberto Alomar when he played for the Blue Jays and lived in the Skydome hotel?
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: March 28, 2020 at 05:19 PM (#5934540)
the Astros stole him away after the inaugural 1962 season.


I never realized the 63 Astros club had a 19-year-old Joe Morgan, a 19-year-old Rusty Staub and a 21-year-old Jimmy Wynn. That's a hell of a nucleus to build a club around, which they clearly weren't able to.

   38. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: March 28, 2020 at 10:29 PM (#5934642)
Somebody in the Colt-45s front office sure wasn't afraid of drafting short black guys who draw walks.

The Astrodome used to have a picture of a toy cannon painted onto the upper deck seat where Wynn's homer landed.
   39. stanmvp48 Posted: March 29, 2020 at 12:17 PM (#5934712)
33 home runs for Wynn in 1969. None of the corner outfielders hit more than five (Norm Miller, Jesus alou, and worse). Curt Blefary in 632 PAs as a first baseman hit 12
   40. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 29, 2020 at 12:42 PM (#5934722)
Somebody in the Colt-45s front office sure wasn't afraid of drafting short black guys who draw walks.
Like Rusty Staub!
   41. Howie Menckel Posted: March 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM (#5934726)
if you wanted to enjoy balls in play as an Astros fan in 1969, Marty Martinez was your man!

in 213 PA, 0 HR, 10 BB, 21 K, 5 2B, 4 3B, 52 1B. (15 RBI, 14 R, 102 OPS+)

also, versatility. games played:
21 LF, 17 SS, 15 3B, 7 C (!), 1 2B, 1 P

   42. Sweatpants Posted: March 29, 2020 at 02:44 PM (#5934745)
0 HR, 5 2B, 4 3B
All career highs. To be fair, he had only two other seasons with over 100 PA.

I only knew of him from Ball Four and would have guessed that he was a catcher, but apparently, yeah, he was an extremely versatile utility infielder who could also catch. Between that and the stat line he was an interesting ballplayer, about whom I knew almost nothing before today.
   43. Howie Menckel Posted: March 29, 2020 at 05:50 PM (#5934789)
there's a good SABR bio of Martinez. I got a couple of his baseball cards BITD
   44. DanG Posted: March 29, 2020 at 08:23 PM (#5934820)
Wynn was the Astro's only 30 HR hitter before Glenn Davis. Most HR for Houston 1962-85:

Player       HR OPSYear Age
Jim Wynn     37  138 1967  25
Jim Wynn     33  166 1969  27
Lee May      29  137 1972  29
Lee May      28  117 1973  30
Jim Wynn     27  141 1970  28
Cesar Cedeno 26  127 1974  23
Jim Wynn     26  158 1968  26
Cesar Cedeno 25  152 1973  22
Doug Rader   25  105 1970  25
Lee May      24  109 1974  31
Jim Wynn     24  146 1972  30
Roman Mejias 24  112 1962  31 
   45. Richard Posted: March 30, 2020 at 10:05 AM (#5934897)
The 1963 Colt 45s fielded an all rookie starting lineup in a 10-3 loss to the Mets on 27 September. Some later to be famous names amongst the nine:

C Jerry Grote
1B Rusty Staub
2B Joe Morgan
3B Glenn Vaughan
SS Sonny Jackson
LF Brock Davis
CF Jimmy Wynn
RF Aaron Pointer
P Jay Dahl

Aaron Pointer’s baseball career didn’t amount to much. His Sisters ended up becoming more famous than him...
   46. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM (#5934909)
Aaron Pointer’s baseball career didn’t amount to much. His Sisters ended up becoming more famous than him...
Huh, this is actually true. Lemme guess - not much of a hit tool, couldn't run or throw, but he could Jump!
   47. QLE Posted: April 02, 2020 at 02:01 AM (#5935723)

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