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Friday, June 10, 2022

Red-hot Marlins keeping ‘lightning rod’ Jazz Chisholm in check

Don Mattingly got his Marlins together for a meeting at just the right time, inspiring perhaps their best game of the year (a 12-2 win Tuesday over the Nationals) and a winning streak. Jazz Chisholm has turned into a star in Miami. But Chisholm turned out to be the subject for criticism in the team meeting, according to sources, as teammates apparently aren’t always as enamored as fans who love the style and sizzle.

Mattingly said he didn’t want anyone talking behind anyone’s back, and perhaps a little up-front honesty worked. Quizzed on what specifically was said to Chisholm, Marlins GM Kim Ng declined to elaborate further: “Reluctant to provide further detail — happy everyone is responding.”

Chisholm went out and hit two home runs that game, and later in an interview on MLB Network said, “I have that tool that’s called, I don’t care. I just go out there and have fun.”

One person, who suggested teammates may be “jealous,” said, “Jazz is like Dennis Rodman. He will always be a lightning rod. But he works and plays hard.”

Ng had a simple explanation for Chisholm’s recent exploits: “He’s good.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 10, 2022 at 01:18 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2022 at 04:25 PM (#6081037)
Ahh, the ol' "criticize your best player" path to success.
   2. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: June 10, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6081039)
I know it's the marlins, so the bar is low, but since when is a 3 game winning streak "red hot"? It's not like they have won 10 of 12 or something. They are 6-3 in their last 9, and that is the most generous cherrypicked endpoint.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2022 at 06:09 PM (#6081056)
Well, on the one hand, it's the NY Post and if there's one thing the Post doesn't do, it's lukewarm headlines. On the other hand, it's the NY Post, why is there anything on the Marlins in the paper (their next series is Hou, not Mets or Yanks)? The Mattingly angle? The AFrican-American athlete is "acting out" angle? The "we need 6 column inches" angle?**

** I have no idea how many words fit into 6 column inches.
   4. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 10, 2022 at 06:16 PM (#6081057)
The Mattingly angle?
Maddon and Girardi have been given the ol' heave-ho, but Donnie appears free to keep this gig for as long as he wants.
   5. . Posted: June 10, 2022 at 06:22 PM (#6081058)
I think it's the "Jon Heyman's MLB-wide column" angle, but in any event I like Jazz Chisholm and he's a very good baseball player. If the teammates who don't like him stink, get rid of them and keep him. (As an aside, he's not American, so he can't be an "African-American acting out.")
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: June 10, 2022 at 07:10 PM (#6081067)
I have no idea how many words fit into 6 column inches.

that used to be about 250 words, but that was BITD

yes, Heyman writes extensively across MLB topics for his "INSIDE MLB" page.

the lead was on how few suitors Aaron Judge might have as a FA, and concluded [*SPOILER ALERT*] that the Giants might be the top rival to the Yankees.

the main sidebar is how the trade deadline might suck this year because the Red Sox stopped sucking, and Jazz leads the "notebook" ahead of tidbits on Tatis and Leonsis.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6081069)
Ahhh, didn't realize it was a Heyman article, just saw it linked to NY Post. Sure, he writes about national baseball.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 10, 2022 at 07:44 PM (#6081076)
Don Mattingly got his Marlins together for a meeting at just the right time, inspiring perhaps their best game of the year
OK, media, can we have a quick talk about coincidence vs. causality?
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 10, 2022 at 08:01 PM (#6081083)
This is all rather vague, at least for those of us unaware of the inner workings of the Marlins. If Chisholm is not running hard on grounders, styling at home plate on balls that don’t go out of the park, or missing signs, veteran players should speak up, probably without publicly throwing him under the bus. On the other hand, no one should care much if he has different tastes in music or clothing. I suppose more news will eventually trickle out about what is at issue here.
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: June 10, 2022 at 08:46 PM (#6081097)
Jazz led off tonight's game with a HR, thereby cementing "causality" as the winner.
:)

he has missed some time (and a 2-for-26 schneid after returning from the hamstring issue), but may be another 30-30 guy (remember those?) - he's now at 11 HR and 10 SB in one-third of a season.

plus 38 RBI in 167 AB which.... seems like a lot for a middle infielder.
   11. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: June 10, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6081102)
but may be another 30-30 guy (remember those?)


I do remember. It hasn't been done since last season. It's been done 5 times in the last 3 full seasons.
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: June 10, 2022 at 09:31 PM (#6081104)
apparently I needed to provide an emoji there
   13. salvomania Posted: June 10, 2022 at 09:45 PM (#6081111)
It's been done 5 times in the last 3 full seasons.

Speaking of steals in the last 3 full seasons: without lookking it up, who led MLB in stolen bases in the last full season before last year (2019)?

This same player also stole 40+ bases the year before that as well, but for a different team.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: June 10, 2022 at 10:08 PM (#6081119)
Chisholm with his second HR of the night - and we have been given word that Coincidence has conceded the race.

:)

(ok, I see what did there)
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 10, 2022 at 10:17 PM (#6081124)
Dee Strange-Gordon?
   16. salvomania Posted: June 10, 2022 at 10:55 PM (#6081155)
Dee Strange-Gordon?

No, not DSG.

This player is currently playing in AAA.
   17. John Reynard Posted: June 11, 2022 at 05:28 AM (#6081234)
Speaking of steals in the last 3 full seasons: without lookking it up, who led MLB in stolen bases in the last full season before last year (2019)?

This same player also stole 40+ bases the year before that as well, but for a different team.


So sad for Mallex Smith. I thought he'd be the next Jarrod Dyson at least. His agent has failed him if he hasn't tried signing a minor league deal with KC at least. They love Dyson/Gathright types
   18. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6081435)
Now wait a second:

Jarrod Dyson 15 WAR, 6 WAA, 3.5 WAR/650
Joey Gathright 2.2 WAR, -2.5 WAA, 1.1 WAR/650

Both of these are not like the other. Dyson couldn't hit (though the OBP wasn't too bad for the context) but boy could he run and he did a great job of turning that into value via baserunning, DP avoidance and defense. Gathright also couldn't hit, was a bit better on OBP, maybe even better at DP avoidance which is impressive but wasn't nearly the defender (per DRS) or baserunner that Dyson was. Mallex was easily the best hitter of these three (but still bad) but not as good in any of the other components. Still 5 WAR, 0 WAA.

I suspect WAR slightly overestimates this kind of player -- they accumulate value as PRs and defensive replacements without adding PAs which sort of "inflates" their WAA. On the one hand, I can't imagine it overstates the value by much; on the other hand, if anybody really thought Dyson was anything close to a 3.5 WAR per full season player, he'd have been given a starting job. Still, why did Billy Hamilton get those chances but Dyson didn't?

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