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Monday, February 25, 2019

Fenway Park voted best major league ballpark by MLB on FOX fans

Fenway Park has been standing in Kenmore Square for 107 years. Baseball legends like Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, and countless others played games there. It is one of the most historic parks in the MLB, and it’s also one of the most popular.

MLB on Fox recently conducted a fan vote of the best major league ballparks. Fenway Park came out on top.

This isn’t surprising at all. In a game that is so preoccupied with history, few other ballparks can compare to Fenway. Perhaps Wrigley Field could make a case, but even still, Fenway is both historic and unique.

Question, for those of you with experience in a large number of major league ballparks (current and otherwise)- would you concur with this statement?

QLE Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:49 AM | 99 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dolf Lucky Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:42 AM (#5817798)
Ugh,no.

Fenway looks great on TV and is a must visit for any baseball fan. But at least part of the point of going to a game is, you know, watching the game. Whether your seat is not pointed towards the action, or behind a pole, or a Dustin Johnson drive away from home plate, there's a good chance that you won't have a great view of the game you paid to watch.

But at least you'll get to sing a Neil Diamond song!
   2. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:50 AM (#5817802)
I'm biased but I love the place. As Dolf notes it has its flaws; the poles are an issue and there are a lot of bad seats but the atmosphere is great and the good seats are genuinely great. Plus it's just a beautiful ballpark.

It really is amazing to see the improvements since the Henry group took over. They've done a wonderful job with the ballpark. The Monster Seats were genius, the expanded concourses, the food options, they've just improved the entire experience.

Of the parks I've been to besides Fenway I'd probably pick Allegheny Park in Pittsubrgh as my favorite. That's a great ballpark.
   3. villageidiom Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:52 AM (#5817803)
I have experience at the following active ballparks: Camden Yards, Fenway, Wrigley, SkyDome, Sox Park.

I'd rank them in that (descending) order in an all-purpose way. Having said that, each is better at something than the others, except Sox Park.

I've also been to games at Olympique, the Metrodome, and YS2. I'd put all of these between SkyDome and Sox Park, in the order listed.
   4. Mike Webber Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:00 AM (#5817806)
One great thing about a game at Fenway is the experience is about the game. I agree with what Dolf wrote, but at least you're at a place where people are there to watch the game, it's not just a different place to drink than usual, or a taking a bunch of kids somewhere besides a Pixar film.

At Royals stadium it's often about the hot dog race, which give away went to the first 10,000 fans and the big hands clapping inciting fans to make some noise (which just means turning up the speakers in the stadium in reality) plus the other various stuff that used to be the province of a minor league game.

As far as how comfortable it is to watch a game, Royals Stadium crushes Fenway. The chairs are better, the sight lines are better, the bathroom lines and concession lines are way better. Fenway wins on the actual food though. I'd say that is pretty much the comparison between most parks and Fenway.

Atmosphere just outside the park, I can't think of anyplace that is better than Fenway. Wrigley and Denver are very good too outside the park, probably just as good.
   5. Lassus Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:08 AM (#5817807)
I have been to more than a half-dozen ballparks, maybe 10, and I never once thought about being uncomfortable. (Except Candlestick, where I wanted to leap out of the back of the upper deck into the parking lot so I could possibly feel warmth once more before I died. But that's hardly the park's fault.)
   6. Baldrick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5817812)
I've been to about half of the current parks. My favorites:
1 (tie). China Basin. Just great in every way. Only downside is how cold it gets, with the wind coming off the bay.
1 (tie). Allegheny Park. Beautiful. I've only been once, but it was every bit as good as advertised.
3. Cascadia Field. Not quite as perfect as the first two but very much in the same vein. It helps that I'm a Mariners fan, but I think it's a great experience regardless of who you support.
4. Fenway. Agree with all the comments above. The seats are much worse than just about any other stadium. The sightlines are bad. The amenities are so-so. But the atmosphere is top notch, and there's no better feeling than watching baseball in a place with a century of genuine history.

I think those are clearly the top four. Wrigley also has the history, and a great vibe, and is probably my number 5. But I've only ever been there in awful weather, so I'm not sure. There's another big batch below (Camden Yards, Great Northern Park, Tiger Field, Sonoran Grounds, etc.) which are very nice, but don't feel special in the same way.
   7. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5817814)
China Basin 1, Camden Yards 2, Wrigley 3, Allegheny 4.

Went to Fenway about 30 years ago, thought it was really cool. The seats were already kind of narrow-seeming then and with 30 more years for the country to get more and more obese, it would seemingly very much be an issue. But that's only inference.

Went to Royals Stadium July 4 weekend of their championship year, great atmosphere. If I was a day-to-day patron, can't see how I wouldn't prefer it to Fenway (other than the general quality of baseball played by the local nine, of course.)
   8. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:28 AM (#5817815)
I like Fenway. There's a good atmosphere around the stadium before a game and the seats are pretty close to the action. I don't really care about the food and drinks and stuff. I feel the same about Wrigley. The Giants have a great stadium and atmosphere, too, but it's cold as #### at night. I haven't been to all stadiums so I couldn't give a strong opinion about which is the "best" though.
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:40 AM (#5817816)
I blame the NFL for the seats facing the wrong way!
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:42 AM (#5817818)
I've been to almost half the current parks. I'd rank my Top 3 as Allegheny Park, Camden Yards and Coors Field. I've been to Fenway, but I don't feel like I can adequately rate it. I haven't been there since I was 12, when it was unquestionably not just the greatest baseball park, but the single most fantastic site in the entire universe. I'm not sure that ranking would hold up from the perspective of my 51-year-old self, so I'll abstain from slotting it anywhere.

By the way, kudos to all who have been using the new proper names for the places in the thread. Keep up the good work.

   11. Rough Carrigan Posted: February 25, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5817848)
I've only been to 6 and three of those have been torn down.
I thought old(?) Busch stadium and Shea in New York were both lousy. Old Yankee stadium or YSII kind of surprised me in how generic it was in a lot of ways but it was still easily better than those 2.
Camden Yards and whatever the Nationals call their park were both nice.
I've been to Fenway probably 200 times. I know which seats to avoid for poles and grandstand sections 4 through 10 suck. And if you're obese, the grandstand seats are not for you. Stipulated. The place has flaws. I can't really achieve anything like impartiality about the place. I love it.
   12. Greg Pope Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5817869)
Fenway is definitely not tops. It and Wrigley are kind of in their own category in that they have their flaws, but it's part of the charm. So it's hard to rate them.

I've been to 42 MLB parks. Only missing Great Northern and Cobb out of the current ones. Allegheny is definitely the number one. Probably China Basin number two. After that, there's not a whole lot to distinguish the rest of the new ones. I see Cascadia mentioned, and it's very nice, but there's nothing too different from Nationals Park, or Citizens Park, or Jacobs Field. Retractable roof? Sonoran Grounds, Miller Park, the Fish Tank are all pretty similar.

So it comes down to nitpicking, really. I happen to like Astrodome 2000 more than most, it seems. The high wall and the train are pretty cool. It was better with the hill in center, IMO. I also like Willets Point for the rotunda when you enter.

I do have two problems with Busch. Although feel free to call me out on being biased as a Cubs fan. First, you can't walk all the way around it while seeing the field. When you get at about first base, you have to walk back to the food concourse. Then you walk around and come out by third base. Lame. Second, they completely ripped off Wrigley's rooftops. They built a restaurant behind the wall in left center field (I think) and it's got seats so you can see from outside the stadium proper.

Other than that, all of the new ones are the same. Not "bad" same like the cookie cutters of the 70's, but nothing to really distinguish them.

Then you've got the old stadiums, like Autry, Chavez Ravine, and Kauffman. They're fine, but a notch below. Skydome probably fits in here.

At the bottom? Suncoast Dome and Sox Park. Nothing else needs to be said about Suncoast Dome. But I feel bad for the White Sox who seem to have built the last of the old style parks before Camden came along and revolutionized stadium building.
   13. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5817877)
I've been to Fenway about half a dozen times over the years, ranging from great seats behind 3rd to the bleachers to dreadful seats down the RF line. In terms of viewing the game, it was like three different worlds.

But that's true of pretty much any park, especially when all but the first few rows of the cantilevered upper decks are several miles behind the plate. In truth, unless you were behind a pole, almost all of the pre-multiplexes other than Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds** were better for the non-box seat fan than any stadiums since then. The lower halves of those upper decks were insanely close to the field, as were the entire lower decks compared to today's. Of course the exceptions were the seats behind the poles and those affected by the upper deck overhang, but those seats were only used for games that were near sellouts. Don't forget that when those stadiums were in use, crowds generally averaged in low 5 figures or worse, and a general admission ticket got you a view that was the equivalent of many luxury boxes today.

From an aesthetic POV, sitting in the press box, Fenway's up there with Wrigley, Camden Yards, AT&T, Safeco, PNC, and probably several other of the newer parks that I haven't seen or read much about. The worst of them were the late and unlamented multiplexes, whose only virtue was that they were relatively cheap. But God, they were ugly, every damn one of them.

And for atmosphere, give me Baltimore's Memorial Stadium from the late 70's through the early 80's, Yankee Stadium II during the postseason, or Fenway during almost any game where the Red Sox are still in contention. Obviously an AL East bias there.

** Which in fact were also multi-plexes, as was Cleveland's Municipal Stadium, but their original layout was for baseball. Only Cleveland's bowl shaped layout resembled the later generation of multiplexes.
   14. Esoteric Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5817878)
Almost none of #12 makes any sense to me. Is the poster using weird homegrown names for many of the parks or something? How childish.
   15. Baldrick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5817880)
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5817881)

Almost none of #12 makes any sense to me. Is the poster using weird homegrown names for many of the parks or something? How childish.


Have you not been here at all for the last 18 months?


Taking Back the Ballparks

Edit: Baldrick beat me to it.
   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5817884)
It may be a little too esoteric for him.
   18. Esoteric Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5817920)
Have you not been here at all for the last 18 months?
Oh wow, that's even more insufferable than I could have ever expected.
   19. oscar madisox Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5817922)
I've been to about 30 parks, many no longer in use.

I like the atmosphere inside Fenway (you have to have good/non-obstructed seats) but it's old and dated in many places (I can do without urinating in a trough). Just as important to me is the outside-the-park atmosphere, which at Fenway, is pretty good too. Lot's of memorabilia/merchandise shops and sports bars, though they're all pretty pricey.

Too me that's the big drawback of Citi Field. Inside the stadium it's nice, but there's nothing around it but parking lots. Philly is like this too.

The best parks I've been to that combine both inside and outside the park experiences to make for an enjoyable night out are Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Wrigley. San Fran and Boston are next.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5817924)
Oh wow, that's even more insufferable than I could have ever expected.


Well then, you weren't missed.

By all means, I hope you enjoy your next visit to Oracle or T-Mobile Park, if you know where those places are.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5817926)
I think the troughs are gone!
   22. Rusty Priske Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5817933)
Personally, I love that Fenway exists and is on use... but if I had a HOME park, I would sure prefer it were a little newer/nicer.
   23. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5817948)
Personally I'd settle for inflation-adjusted 1989 prices.
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5817963)
Will a small subset of the posters here be renaming the players, too?
   25. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5817972)
I will be now.
   26. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5817973)
Personally, I love that Fenway exists and is on use... but if I had a HOME park, I would sure prefer it were a little newer/nicer.


As someone who goes to Fenway about 20 times a year it's a great home park. Part of that is BECAUSE I go so often though. I'm very good at knowing where to sit and where not to sit and where to go for food etc...I suspect it's one of those things like someone with a crappy old car who wouldn't trade it in for a new car. You know it needs a little kick to make the heater work and yeah the trunk doesn't close all the way so you keep duct tape in the backseat for emergencies but it's yours and you love it.
   27. Nasty Nate Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5817974)
24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5817963)
Will a small subset of the posters here be renaming the players, too?
25. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5817972)
I will be now.

Zakk Brit'n
Petyr Alonso
"Ervin" Santana is back to Johan.

I'm done now.
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5817975)

Will a small subset of the posters here be renaming the players, too?


The Giants ballpark has had four names since it opened 19 years ago. We were just trying to settle on a single one for everyone.
   29. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5817977)
Oh wow, that's even more insufferable than I could have ever expected.


^^This. When I was reading the posts in this thread I was really confused and thought I'd missed some name changes. Turns out it was just some bbtf meme.
   30. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5817979)
I like calling Ervin Santana, "Slim", but that's kind of an obscure A-to-C move.
   31. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5817981)
The Giants ballpark has had four names since it opened 19 years ago. We were just trying to settle on a single one for everyone.


If somebody just calls it Pac Bell Park, I'd at least know what they were talking about. China Basin? Seriously?
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5817983)
^^This. When I was reading the posts in this thread I was really confused and thought I'd missed some name changes. Turns out it was just some bbtf meme.


Good Christ, the thing was going on for 18 months. How the hell did you guys not notice this?


If somebody just calls it Pac Bell Park, I'd at least know what they were talking about. China Basin? Seriously?


It's not Pac Bell Park. Or AT&T. And given it's in the China Basin area, it ought to be a hell of a lot easier to commit that to memory than the current name.

   33. Nasty Nate Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5817984)
If somebody just calls it Pac Bell Park, I'd at least know what they were talking about.
Maybe. But for how long?
   34. villageidiom Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5817985)
Edit: Baldrick beat me to it.
And I beat him to it.

I forgot China Basin, which should be at the top of my list.

I think the troughs are gone!
They've been gone for a long time. Since then the inside of Fenway has been expanded in ways that would have seemed impossible back then. They bought up the old dry cleaning place beyond the right field grandstand, expanded the stadium structure there, moved a substantial amount of concessions storage back there, which then freed up space under the seats to widen the concourse and put in more/better concessions. Given what it was back in the trough days the in-stadium experience is much better now.
   35. villageidiom Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5817987)
Will a small subset of the posters here be renaming the players, too?
Next thing you know, a small subset of the posters will be redoing the Hall Of Fame, maybe this time based on merit.
   36. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5817990)
Next thing you know, a small subset of the posters will be redoing the Hall Of Fame, maybe this time based on merit.


Nice.
   37. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5818013)
China Basin? Seriously?


Well, I tried to get it called "Polo Grounds at China Basin," which would have been way better -- but I got outvoted.
   38. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5818015)
Will a small subset of the posters here be renaming the players, too?


That's happened throughout baseball history, though. Berman's become something of a turd, but I still think of a lot of guys with his nicknames. Ray "I Dub Thee" Knight arguably at the front of the list. Danny "Uriah" Heep. Bert "Be Home" Blyleven. Von "Purple" Hayes. Etc.
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: February 25, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5818016)
I like Wrigley better than Fenway.

concur that it's nice to go to ballparks like those where so many of the people there are actually watching the game!
   40. Lassus Posted: February 25, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5818017)
I was a voter! Sometimes. Go shake your fist at some more clouds, Eso.
   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5818025)
I like Wrigley better than Fenway.

I agree.
   42. Perry Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5818044)
Ray "I Dub Thee" Knight arguably at the front of the list. Danny "Uriah" Heep. Bert "Be Home" Blyleven. Von "Purple" Hayes.


Jim "Two Silhouettes On" Deshaies was my favorite. Oddibe "Young Again" McDowell. Kevin "Smallmouth" Bass. Mike "Alright" Aldrete. And wasn't "Crime Dog" McGriff his, or did someone else come up with that one?
   43. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5818049)
Berman was fine when he was throwing in those nicknames to amuse the crew and the 11 viewers of the late-night SportsCenter in Eighty-two. Like so many others, he became impossible to listen to when the schtick became the thing.

   44. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:51 PM (#5818052)
Kevin "Smallmouth" Bass


As I recall Bass started out as "Largemouth" but Bass actually contacted Berman because he felt like it made him sound like a complainer so Boomer changed it.
   45. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5818053)
Andre "Bad Moon" Rison was always my favorite.
   46. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5818054)
And I thought it was Mike "Enough" Aldrete, but the rest in 42 were top-notch.

Like so many others, he became impossible to listen to when the schtick became the thing.


They had him do some for some NHLers during the ca. 1994 playoffs, but yeah by that time I wasn't even paying attention. "Forced" is putting it charitably.
   47. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: February 25, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5818055)
^^This. When I was reading the posts in this thread I was really confused and thought I'd missed some name changes. Turns out it was just some bbtf meme.

You have to admit that spending a year and half renaming stadiums and coming up with worse names than the terrible corporate names is a hell of an accomplishment.
   48. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5818057)
Just remembered Lance "You Sunk My" Blakenship and Mike "Lego" Gallego -- two that summon up the Bash Brothers era pretty well.
   49. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5818059)
I'm a big fan of Fenway and I'd rank it pretty high among stadium's that I've been to, but it's absolutely true that there's a whole bunch of awful seats.

But what I really logged in to say was that FENWAY PARK IS NOT IN KENMORE SQUARE. THERE IS LITERALLY AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY BETWEEN KENMORE SQUARE AND FENWAY PARK.

Disappointed that none of my fellow Sox fans mentioned that.
   50. Nasty Nate Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5818061)

You have to admit that spending a year and half renaming stadiums and coming up with worse names than the terrible corporate names is a hell of an accomplishment.
We've found the one person who likes Guaranteed Rate Field as a name, apparently....
   51. Perry Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:11 PM (#5818065)
Andre "Bad Moon" Rison was always my favorite.


If we're going outside baseball, there's also Curtis "My Favorite" Martin.
   52. Greg Pope Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5818066)
You have to admit that spending a year and half renaming stadiums and coming up with worse names than the terrible corporate names is a hell of an accomplishment.

This is A) blatantly untrue and B) unnecessarily harsh.

I'm not a fan of a couple of the choices that we made. But most are vast improvements. Most of the names are vast improvements on the corporate names, plus, of course, the corporate names keep changing.

I participated in every vote, and everybody here was invited to, also.
   53. Perry Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5818068)
Oh, and Brad "Colonel" Muster. ("In the end zone! With the football!")
   54. oscar madisox Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5818071)
I think the troughs are gone!


Hallelujah! On my next visit to Fenway I won't have to hold it in!

   55. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5818081)
I'm not a fan of a couple of the choices that we made. But most are vast improvements. Most of the names are vast improvements on the corporate names, plus, of course, the corporate names keep changing.

To each his own, but to me when a corporate name just grates on the ears too much it's just easier to use the names of the cities. No need to invent new names when "Atlanta" or "Texas" will do just as well.
   56. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:56 PM (#5818086)
I wonder what others think of Wrigley before and after the recent renovations/upgrades. Personally, I love what they've done and think it's been a tremendous success. I kinda miss the bullpens on the field, but it is probably better without them there.
   57. SoSH U at work Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:56 PM (#5818087)
To each his own, but to me when a corporate name just grates on the ears too much it's just easier to use the names of the cities. No need to invent new names when "Atlanta" or "Texas" will do just as well.


Texas has long been one of my favorite cities.
   58. Howie Menckel Posted: February 25, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5818097)
McGruff the Crime Dog was a cartoon character created by a crime prevention council almost 40 years ago. it got the 'neighborhood crime watch' era started, iirc

also, I loved the troughs at Fenway and Wrigley - they gave off an old-timey feel.
   59. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 06:25 PM (#5818098)
To each his own, but to me when a corporate name just grates on the ears too much it's just easier to use the names of the cities. No need to invent new names when "Atlanta" or "Texas" will do just as well.

Texas has long been one of my favorite cities
.

Okay, but it's also the name of the team, and Arlington, Virginia got there first.
   60. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:14 PM (#5818129)
I used to love the old Boston Garden even though you could literally catch lice there (or have them catch you), and was resistant to the idea of replacing it but then I went to the new Garden and #### that old dump. I suppose I'd feel the same about Fenway if they'd ever replace it but they won't as long as people continue to say it'a a great place to watch game. It's only a great place to watch a gme if you have good seats. If you don't you're better off watching the game on TV.
   61. Tim M Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:21 PM (#5818132)
As someone who goes to Fenway about 20 times a year it's a great home park. Part of that is BECAUSE I go so often though. I'm very good at knowing where to sit and where not to sit and where to go for food etc...


This. My rules:
1) Avoid grandstand (section w/ the poles) altogether, unless you know the exact seats
2) Avoid anything down the RF line much past 1B, or you will spend the game staring at the CF
3) Avoid standing room, period - they sell like 3X more "seats" than it would be possible for everyone to see the game

The small # of pavilion seats are very sweet, you sometimes even get your own table in front of you.

One other pisser: they have so plastered every square inch of the Monster (and all the rest of the park) w/ ads, it looks like a giant NASCAR. The old Monster from when I was a kid was a thing of beauty.
   62. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:23 PM (#5818134)
61--think your link is bad
   63. Tim M Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5818135)
62 - yep fixed, thank you.. except the fixed one kinda looks like crap :D
   64. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5818137)
One other pisser: they have so plastered every square inch of the Monster (and all the rest of the park) w/ ads, it looks like a giant NASCAR. The old Monster from when I was a kid was a thing of beauty.

And then there was the older Monster.....
   65. Howie Menckel Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5818140)
2) Avoid anything down the RF line much past 1B, or you will spend the game staring at the CF

or, more likely, you will spend the game staring at the mound - and leave the park with a stiff neck
#beentheredonethat
   66. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5818141)
61 - I got a pavilion seat on the first base line for opening day. Should be a great spot to get pictures of the banner and ring ceremony.
   67. Tim M Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5818142)
And then there was the older Monster.....


Wow some things really do come full circle!
   68. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:08 PM (#5818157)
Here's an even older shot of The Monster. AFAICT the exclusively "Green" Monster run was from 1947 through roughly 2000.
   69. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 26, 2019 at 12:29 AM (#5818175)
I suspect it's one of those things like someone with a crappy old car who wouldn't trade it in for a new car.


So what you are suggesting is that our beloved Red Sox, the team with highest payroll is effectively playing in a 1972 Plymouth Fury?

I loved my ONE game at Fenway, had decent seats, weather was good and the Sox won. Now I'm not a big guy, 5'10" -160lbs so the little, off angle seat wasn't really an issue, but I can see how most wouldn't like that too much. The atmosphere was brilliant though. I've seen a number of games in SF and Anaheim and that Giant stadium is just the beez knees. A truly great place to watch a game.
   70. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2019 at 12:43 AM (#5818176)
or, more likely, you will spend the game staring at the mound - and leave the park with a stiff neck
#beentheredonethat
That was my experience in my one trip to Fenway (didn’t know better when I bought the tickets). The thing is, from the look of the concrete in my section, it had been redone pretty recently. Why the hell haven’t they corrected the problem?
   71. The Run Fairy Posted: February 26, 2019 at 01:03 AM (#5818178)
The old Monster from when I was a kid was a thing of beauty.


You know what I love about the modern world? You can take a photo of a random game like this, and in less than ten minutes, you can find the box score. Chili Davis is about to hit a line out to RF, and Clemens is in the process of throwing a 9 K, 7 hit shutout to bring his record to... 6-11? Well, he'd bounce back with Toronto.

That's a great photo, thanks for posting it.
   72. bachslunch Posted: February 26, 2019 at 04:12 AM (#5818189)
Have been to games at 22 franchises, including several ballparks no longer standing:

Red Sox (Fenway)
Yankees (old Yankee Stadium)
Mets (Shea)
Philadelphia (Citizens Bank Park)
Cleveland (Municipal Stadium)
Cincinnati (Crosley, Riverfront, Great American)
Montreal (Olympic)
Toronto (Skydome)
Milwaukee (Miller Park)
Cubs (Wrigley)
White Sox (US Cellular Field)
Kansas City (Kauffman)
St. Louis (Busch III)
Washington (RFK)
Atlanta (Turner)
Florida (Sun Life)
Tampa Bay (Tropicana)
Oakland (Coliseum)
San Francisco (AT&T Park)
Dodgers (Dodger Stadium)
Angels (Angel Stadium)
San Diego (Petco)
   73. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 08:48 AM (#5818205)
That was my experience in my one trip to Fenway (didn’t know better when I bought the tickets). The thing is, from the look of the concrete in my section, it had been redone pretty recently. Why the hell haven’t they corrected the problem?


Not sure when you went but they redid the concrete a few years ago. I want to say just before the 2012 season (the 100th anniversary).
   74. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2019 at 08:55 AM (#5818208)
Not sure when you went but they redid the concrete a few years ago. I want to say just before the 2012 season (the 100th anniversary).
I went in, I think, 2015 or maybe 2016, so that sounds right. Why on earth would they have torn up the concrete and then put the seats right back where they were, facing CF? Even if they lost a few seats, they could have sold the remaining ones for more. ‘Now includes decent view of actual baseball game!’
   75. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5818213)
I think it would have been more than a "few seats." I remember Lucchino talking about that when they started the renovations in the early naughties. Short of doing a full shutdown and rebuild they would have lost several thousand seats (I want to say it would have been 8-10 thousand but this was a long time ago). My WAG is that they would have gone that route if they had a feasible second option to play for a year or two or if the club wasn't competitive and drawing. Foxboro (where the Pats play) really isn't a feasible baseball stadium and it's in a terrible location. It's not like the Yankees playing at Shea in the 70s.
   76. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:09 AM (#5818214)
Short of doing a full shutdown and rebuild they would have lost several thousand seats (I want to say it would have been 8-10 thousand but this was a long time ago).
That seems a bit geometrically exaggerated, no?
   77. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:16 AM (#5818217)
That seems a bit geometrically exaggerated, no?


My guesstimate is that there are maybe a couple of thousand seats by the RF foul pole to canvas alley that need to be re-positioned to face the infield.
   78. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5818222)
One other pisser: they have so plastered every square inch of the Monster (and all the rest of the park) w/ ads, it looks like a giant NASCAR. The old Monster from when I was a kid was a thing of beauty.
Yes, I much preferred the un-cluttered monster.
   79. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:30 AM (#5818225)
That seems a bit geometrically exaggerated, no?


I wouldn't be surprised. Just think of the geometry of those seats, I'd bet half the seats from section 3 (RF corner) to about section 11 (1B line passed the bag) and similar seats on the 3B side would go away if you just turned them to face the infield. Like I said I'm going off old memory so maybe it was less but I wouldn't have any difficult believing 5,000 at a minimum. Given the already low number of seats I can see not wanting to do it and I'm pretty sure Fenway is already rocking the highest average ticket price so they probably are a bit cautious at not wanting to crank it up more.

I think what SHOULD have happened is they should have said in 2003 "look, we are going to gut the place and rebuild. This is going to require 2-3 years worth of work and during a period of time sections of the park will be closed and you won't be able to use your tickets which will be refunded to you." They could have feasibly eliminated or cut down the number of poles, added seats to the upper boxes, fixed the angles etc...my understanding is this is loosely what was done at Wrigley and I suspect Theo brought some ideas from what worked and what didn't at Fenway to Chicago. (was Janet Marie Smith part of the Wrigley renovations?).
   80. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5818234)
The third base side is fine.

The pole issue isn't what they addressed above. But while you're at it, sure, the poles are a problem. My fix (build another park) ain't gonna happen, so, the place will remain a bad place to watch a game for a substantial % of people with tickets.

The "stiff neck" issue is the worst part of the seating. You're down close to the field, you should be happy to be there, but the seats suck.

edit....I mean, when you take into account all of the bad seats in the park, I'd say that for at least 15K of them, they're horrible.
   81. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5818237)
Either that's a ridiculous exaggeration, or you think every venue has tons of horrible seats.
   82. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5818238)
Bob Ryan has said, correctly I think, that the best seats at Fenway* are the best seats in baseball and the worst seats at Fenway are the worst seats in baseball.

* down the third base line where the stands just out. You feel like you are playing left field.
   83. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5818242)
Either that's a ridiculous exaggeration, or you think every venue has tons of horrible seats.


Many of the seats above the poles are obstructed view seats. There are a lot of poles holding up the roof. Those sets are expensive. I wouldn't pay a dime to sit there.


edit...I reject your either/or, and would counter that your mom is a ridiculous exaggeration.
   84. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:22 AM (#5818246)
Obviously, the field box seats, minus the ones down the RF line, are great.

The view from the CF bleacher is great, although you can't see the triangle from there.

Similarly, the view from above the LF wall is probably similar to bleacher seats, missing the action on the warning track along the wall.

The view from the pavillion seats is good.

The "upper box" seats, which used to be called "grandstand" seats, are very good.

Other than that....FEH!!!
   85. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5818247)
Bob Ryan has said, correctly I think, that the best seats at Fenway* are the best seats in baseball and the worst seats at Fenway are the worst seats in baseball.
Just for fun, I tried to find the seat at Fenway that combines a bunch of bad characteristics. I have chosen Grandstand Section 5, Row 15, Seat 19. It is a million miles from the infield, it is pointed toward the CF bleachers, there is a pole between it and home plate, and it is buried in the middle of the row.

You can use this site to get info about every seat: http://www.preciseseating.com/fenwaypark2.php
   86. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:39 AM (#5818253)
I have chosen Grandstand Section 5, Row 15, Seat 19


Ugh. You may as well be sitting on Van Ness St.
   87. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5818257)
Obviously, the field box seats, minus the ones down the RF line, are great.
They should at least warn purchasers about the RF box seats. I thought I was getting great seats. There was even, if I remember correctly, a few jpgs or whatever of the "view of the field from these seats." Suffice to say it was misleading.
   88. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5818259)
I thought I was getting great seats.


Those seats should come with coupons to a chiropractor.
   89. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: February 26, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5818289)
Wrigley Field has the best upper deck seats in possible. If you can, get some seats in the 400s, especially in the infield section.
   90. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 26, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5818372)
I think the Wrigley UD seats kind of matches Bob Ryan's comments on Fenway. Some of the UD seats at Wrigley are amongst the best seats anywhere, and some of the UD at Wrigley are amongst the worst seats anywhere. Have they improved the egress at all at Wrigley, particularly in the UD? I've been to Wrigley in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s, but only one game post-some of the renovations.

aside: Those upper deck infield box seats at Tiger Stadium were freakishly close, the radio booths needed protective screens.
   91. I Am Not a Number Posted: February 26, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5818429)
Avoid anything down the RF line much past 1B, or you will spend the game staring at the CF

[61] Where was this advice 20 years ago when I could have really used it? I sat down the right field line. My choices were thus: face in the direction the seat was pointing, i.e., center field, or turn my head 90 degrees to the watch the batter, all while enduring the setting sun directly in my eyes.
   92. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 26, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5818442)
Those upper deck infield box seats at Tiger Stadium were freakishly close, the radio booths needed protective screens.

Last time I was at Tiger Stadium, I had an upper deck seat between home and 3rd, about 15 rows behind the box seats, and I could easily make out the chatter coming from the coach's box and the 3rd baseman. AFAIC that was the best and most beautiful stadium in baseball, at least back in the late 50's when the seats were all painted a glossy dark green. AL players consistently voted it the best park to play in.
   93. . Posted: February 26, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5818446)
aside: Those upper deck infield box seats at Tiger Stadium were freakishly close, the radio booths needed protective screens.


Sat in them many times; they're impossible to top unless you have poles in the stadium. Loved the first base side where you're looking right at the shortstop and can watch how well he comes in. A quality major league shortstop circling a ground ball and throwing on the run kind of across his body just right is poetry in motion from those seats, not all that far removed from ballet. (Even if it's Mario Mendoza, which it was more than once.)

As with many sports, TV can't begin to do it justice. In person from those kind of seats, there's no such thing as a "routine" ground ball. In retrospect, the experience made it impossible for me to ever warm to TTO baseball and I never have and never will.
   94. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 26, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5818491)
all while enduring the setting sun directly in my eyes.


Yes, this is true too.
   95. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 05:30 PM (#5818499)
I had infield grandstand seats (section 15, first base line) for 17 years. The infield grandstand is really good value for money. If you can get the first 7-8 rows you are probably safe from serious pole issues (I was row 11 but dead center, no pole problems for us).
   96. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5818504)
Yeah in GS sections 13-30, most of the seats have a good view. And then in sections 9-12 and 31-33 there are good seats, but the back halves get really iffy. Sections 4-8 are the worst. And sections 1-3 are OK, they are just like mediocre outfield bleacher seats.
   97. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 26, 2019 at 05:45 PM (#5818505)
I was told once that there are a very small number of seats at Fenway where one can see the entire field.
   98. Howie Menckel Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5818531)
I was told once that there are a very small number of seats at Fenway where one can see the entire field.

I attended the Mets' first-ever game at CitiField about a decade ago (they faced their archrival, the Padres, in an inspired matchup!).

sat well down the LF line. didn't take long to notice that each team appeared to be using only 8 fielders - no LF. but occasionally the ball would get hit into the Bermuda Triangle, and we'd hear cheering or not from the fans on the RF side so I guess there was an LF after all.

the Mets gamely tried to rally by installing TVs on the side of a wall at the end of the section, but.....

overall, though, the park is shockingly charming if not in the absolute rarified top tier - especially since Year 2, when they were prodded to add some Mets nostalgia around the park to pair with the Jackie Robinson Rotunda and other Wilpon self-indulgences to his youth (owner played HS ball with Sandy Koufax in Brooklyn).
   99. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5818539)
I was told once that there are a very small number of seats at Fenway where one can see the entire field.
The LF corner can be out of vision or the CF triangle can be out of vision.

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