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Sunday, February 21, 2021

Former Dodger All-Star Stan Williams passes away at 84

Former Dodger two-time All-Star and World Series champion Stan Williams passed away Saturday morning at the age of 84 after battling a cardiopulmonary illness.
Williams, one of the original members of the Dodger team that moved to Los Angeles in 1958, spent the first five years of his 14-year Major League career with the Dodgers. He won a World Series as a player with the Dodgers in 1959 and as a pitching coach with the Reds in 1990.

In 1959, Williams pitched three scoreless innings in the tiebreaker series against the Milwaukee Braves to help send the Dodgers to the World Series, where he pitched two scoreless innings. Williams, nicknamed “The Big Hurt,” was part of an early 60s Dodger rotation that included Don Drysdale, Sandy Koufax and Johnny Podres. In 1960, Williams was an All-Star while going 14–10 with a 3.00 ERA and 1.13 WHIP. He was traded to the Yankees after the 1962 season and made stops as a player in Cleveland (1965–69), Minnesota (1970–71), St. Louis (1971) and Boston (1972).

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 21, 2021 at 06:46 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: February 21, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6006152)
Nice little career he had. Don’t really remember him much even though he was right in my card collecting years.
   2. baxter Posted: February 21, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6006154)
Did he pitch a shut out allowing double digit hits + some walks?
   3. salvomania Posted: February 21, 2021 at 11:34 PM (#6006166)
in my card collecting years.

My first exposure was his Topps 1972 card---with the Cardinals, for whom he pitched all of 12.2 innings in 1971 before being released before the start of the '72 season.

Before turning the card over to see the the 13 seasons of stats, with some fine lines from a decade earlier, I was struck by the ink-black nightitme background of the card, with the stadium lights angling off the top edge. I don't remember of lot of other cards from that era with lights on and featured so prominently.
   4. sunday silence (again) Posted: February 22, 2021 at 12:37 AM (#6006170)
Looking at that last play of the 1959 LAD/MIL series, and Mantilla's throwing error. Was it just a bad throw or did the runner have something to do with it? And from what we see from the video Furillo's reached the bag before the throw (it was ruled Single + Throwing Error/Un ER Run). But Furillo's 37 yrs old, and was never a good base stealer (just under 50%) in his career. Hadnt stolen a base in 3 years.

SO he's not fast....or is he one of those sneaky fast guys who don't know how to steal but get good jumps out of the box? Sure enuf Furillo's reached on error rate is 1.85%. The two highest I know of are Clemente 2.0% and Jeter 1.7%. Furillo was one of the best in history at ROE. His GDP rate is not that great, so I dunno if he hit more GB which is likely. His GDP rate is more pedestrian 14% and Clemente's 13.5% where like WIllie Mays is much better at 9.5%

Another baseball skill that may be under counted.

VIDEO of the play shown here:
   5. Sweatpants Posted: February 22, 2021 at 05:16 AM (#6006178)
My knowledge of Stan Williams came from books that described him as the meanest pitcher in the National League during his time. Supposedly if you hit a home run off him, you got a mark next to your name in his book, meaning you were due for a plunking. Henry Aaron had six marks next to his name.

Of course, looking it up today I see that Aaron hit two home runs off him and was hit only once by him, which makes me doubt the rest of the story as well.
   6. Ron J Posted: February 22, 2021 at 06:52 AM (#6006179)
#5 Came to say the same thing. Evidently we read the same thing back in the day. I remember doing a tracer on this and finding that it wasn't literally true.

Still plausible that he pitched guys on his list high and tight. I remember that Aaron was quoted as saying he was the only pitcher who really concerned him -- that he genuinely didn't seem to care about the consequence of that kind of pitching.
   7. McCoy Posted: February 22, 2021 at 09:19 AM (#6006190)
Maybe spring training homers counted as well.
   8. sanny manguillen Posted: February 22, 2021 at 09:52 AM (#6006197)
From Williams SABR bio, on his near-disappearance in the mid-60s:

I injured my arm on one freak pitch. Slipped on rubber. My arm got progressively worse each year for 6½ years. Three of those years home or in the minors. One day, I lifted my arm. Something ‘popped’ (hurt like crazy) – but suddenly my arm was sound again. Within a month, I was back in Majors and stayed another seven years.”

At some point, they have to take a serious look at guys like Jobe and Andrews for the Hall of Fame.
   9. BDC Posted: February 22, 2021 at 10:29 AM (#6006203)
One of my few memorabilia items, a baseball autographed by some of the 1970 Twins, is now a sort of tontine, accelerated by the deaths of Williams and Ron Perranoski. Harmon Killebrew and Cesar Tovar died long before, Frank Quilici more recently, though quite a lot of the guys are still living.

1970 was Williams' third-best year by bWAR, though his 9th-highest in IP. He was purely a reliever that year, while earlier he'd been a swingman and for a while a rotation starter for the Dodgers. But in '70 he was great out of the bullpen (10-1, 15 Saves, 1.99 ERA in 68 appearances) and a big contributor to the Twins' division title. RIP.
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 22, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6006212)
He was also the goat (in the old sense) of the 1962 playoff game 3 when he walked in the go-ahead run in the top of the ninth
   11. Jose Canusee Posted: February 22, 2021 at 09:40 PM (#6006296)
wondered whether there was an easy link to players who had passed away this year, see:
Looks like it has been a bad year for former pitchers
nothing in comparison to
   12. CFBF's Results are Certified Posted: February 22, 2021 at 10:21 PM (#6006299)
One of the two greatest Big Hurts in baseball history.
   13. sanny manguillen Posted: February 23, 2021 at 07:42 AM (#6006321)
Some milestones from the die off of 2020-21 (per BB-Ref):

First prominent player: Don Larsen (January 1, 2020)
First good player: Tony Fernandez (February 16)
First HOF quality player: Jim Wynn (March 26)
First HOFer: Al Kaline (April 6)

1st quarter: 24 deaths; 0 HOFers
2nd quarter: 32 deaths; 1 HOFer
3rd quarter: 21 deaths; 2 HOFers
4th quarter: 34 deaths; 4 HOFers

2021: 20 deaths*; 3 HOFers

*BB-Ref hasn't listed Williams or Juan Pizarro yet, both are included here.

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