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Former Dodgers star Trevor Bauer settles lawsuit with woman who first accused him of sexual assault

Former Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer has settled a sexual assault lawsuit with Lindsey Hill, the woman who was the first to accuse him.

Bauer filed a defamation lawsuit against Hill last year following her allegations that he had sexually assaulted her during a sexual encounter in 2021. Hill later filed a counterclaim of sexual battery.

The settlement was made official in a court filing Monday, according to The Washington Post. Neither Bauer nor Hill paid the other to settle the case, and both continue to deny the other’s allegations. A separate agreement within the settlement has Hill’s insurance company paying her $300,000.

“Trevor Bauer and Lindsey Hill have settled all outstanding litigation,” Bauer’s attorneys said in a statement. “Both of their respective claims have been withdrawn with prejudice, effective today. Mr. Bauer did not make – and never has made – any payments to Ms. Hill, including to resolve their litigation. With this matter now at rest, Mr. Bauer can focus completely on baseball.”

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1. Tin Angel Posted: October 03, 2023 at 01:30 PM (#6143322)

Bauer released a video yesterday showing texts his accuser sent to her friend that weren't allowed to be used in court. She makes it clear from the start her sole interest in Bauer is money. Also a selfie video of her smiling while lying next to Bauer sleeping in his bed, the morning after one of the alleged violent events happened. He stressed that he ended up not having to pay her anything at all. Does he have any recourse to sue MLB?

2. Ron J Posted: October 03, 2023 at 01:43 PM (#6143326)

#1 Almost certainly not.

3. Esoteric Posted: October 03, 2023 at 02:41 PM (#6143340)

Wait, wasn't Trevor Bauer treated like he was a 100% covicted rapist, guilty of brutally abusing women?

And there is absolute stone-cold evidence that she was trying to set him up to steal his money?

I know it's been years but does ANYONE here think for a second "huh, maybe I was too quick to leap to conclusions?" Any regrets whatsoever?

4. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 03, 2023 at 02:50 PM (#6143343)

I know it's been years but does ANYONE here think for a second "huh, maybe I was too quick to leap to conclusions?" Any regrets whatsoever?

Based on what I've seen over the years from the vast majority of the people who post here, absolutely not.

AO

5. Hombre Brotani

Posted: October 03, 2023 at 04:26 PM (#6143360)

I still think that Bauer deserved consequences -- inflicting the injuries he did on someone who was helpless requires that -- but I assume the texts are real, and the texts do very much change how I view the situation.

6. The Duke Posted: October 03, 2023 at 05:11 PM (#6143370)

I took a lot of crap for saying he was being blackmailed. It's was painfully obvious but people can't see things if they have a preconceived notion about how bad a person someone is. He's not a nice man but he also was clearly being set up by these women who had $$$$ in their eyes.

Even after the police walked away, everyone assumed he was guilty.

7. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 03, 2023 at 06:06 PM (#6143379)

I took a lot of crap for saying he was being blackmailed.

I would be genuinely shocked if anybody who was giving you crap, even if seeing this article being posted here, came in and acknowledged you were right and that they were wrong.

AO

8. Dolf Lucky Posted: October 03, 2023 at 06:22 PM (#6143383)

Bauer released a video yesterday showing texts his accuser sent to her friend that weren't allowed to be used in court.

How (or why) does this happen? Seems like the texts and morning after video would be highly relevant. I’m not a lawyer, obviously, so I’m certainly missing something.

9. Itchy Row Posted: October 03, 2023 at 06:30 PM (#6143385)

I know it's been years but does ANYONE here think for a second "huh, maybe I was too quick to leap to conclusions?" Any regrets whatsoever?

You're right. He's completely innocent and should date your mom.

10. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 03, 2023 at 06:32 PM (#6143386)

Given the ease of faking video and everything else with modern AI I don't know that I can base anything on some video of some texts and such.

I am not accusing anyone of anything. I have no idea what happened. I don't think I weighed in before, so it is not like I have a stand to defend or anything. In court it ended up seemingly a big ball of nothing, with no clear resolution and that is as far as it goes for me personally.

Yes, if the video is real then it looks super bad, but I have seen enough stuff the last few years that I don't trust anything unless it is verified, and AFAICT the video is not.

11. baxter Posted: October 03, 2023 at 06:48 PM (#6143388)

3. No, because I didn't jump to the conclusion that Bauer had assaulted the woman. I forget whether any poster on this board criticized that, but when one anonymous keyboard warrior gets criticized by another, who cares?
I wonder what the judge's reasoning for excluding the evidence was. Possibly, it was cumulative, not necessary for the judge to decide whether the court needed to issue an order to prevent Bauer from having future contact with the woman seeking the order. Check my recollection, but was the evidence undisputed that once the woman indicated she wanted no contact with Bauer, Bauer ceased all conduct. It's a separate issue whether the Bauer's conduct can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, in which proceeding Bauer is presumed innocent.

12. Dr. Pooks Posted: October 04, 2023 at 12:57 AM (#6143451)

How (or why) does this happen? Seems like the texts and morning after video would be highly relevant. I’m not a lawyer, obviously, so I’m certainly missing something.

It's my understanding that Bauer had to GO to court to gain access to these texts and video. I believe he said as much in his short video.

There were was never any criminal proceedings against him, besides an application for a restraining order which I'm not even sure he or his counsel were present for/aware of in real time.

My understanding is that it's not so much that this evidence wasn't allowed in court, but that Bauer and his lawyers filed a civil suit to gain access to this evidence through discovery during the process.

13. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: October 04, 2023 at 07:06 AM (#6143458)

I can still think he's an a-hole, right? I'm just trying to figure out the limits for the "let's throw him a parade" crowd.

14. The Duke Posted: October 04, 2023 at 09:34 AM (#6143470)

The whole thing was ludicrous from the start. It's hard to believe that anyone believed it to be true. On top of that everyone pointed to the woman in Ohio as corroboration who alleged the same thing but when you read the story it was laughable. She called the police on him and then ended up getting arrested herself.

His biggest crime appears to be choosing the wrong class of baseball Annie's. But hey, Clinton dig Monica Lewinsky so they're just no tellin' in life.

15. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 04, 2023 at 10:04 AM (#6143472)

I'm in agreement with Hombre in #5. I can accept the encounter was consensual, and Bauer was basically being extorted. And I'm a fan of Bauer the player. But I can still feel disgust that the woman walked away from Bauer's home with bruises and/or broken bones. (IIRC, the skull fracture was in dispute.)

16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: October 04, 2023 at 01:20 PM (#6143491)

The whole thing was ludicrous from the start. It's hard to believe that anyone believed it to be true.

Really? How many people think that Biden stole the 2020 election? Or for that matter, how many people believe in astrology? And in Bauer's case, what the woman claimed was pretty much what you might have expected of someone like Bauer. If Bauer weren't such a dick to begin with, there likely would've been at least a bit more skepticism.

17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 04, 2023 at 02:09 PM (#6143495)

Early on, there were some red flags about the accuser’s credibility that should have given some pause. That mostly didn’t happen, here or elsewhere, and it seems that some of the media that were quick to report the accusations against Bauer now have only vaguely reported on the texts & video Bauer released. His entire video is embedded in this article. Judge for yourself, but it appears quite damning for Ms. Hill.

18. Tin Angel Posted: October 04, 2023 at 04:02 PM (#6143509)

and it seems that some of the media that were quick to report the accusations against Bauer now have only vaguely reported on the texts & video Bauer released.

Molly Knight reported that Bauer fractured the skull of his accuser, even though she/The Athletic actually had her medical records, which showed no fracture.

Knight, instead of apologizing, so far has just locked her Twitter and Instagram accounts. Just waiting for the whole thing to blow over.

19. Zach Posted: October 04, 2023 at 05:43 PM (#6143517)

In retrospect, the fractured skull was a major red herring. It was hard to see how someone could fake that, or be willing to try. Finding out that was fake strongly changed my opinion of the case.

So I guess the really big lesson is that some things you think no one could ever lie about ... get lied about.

20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 04, 2023 at 05:49 PM (#6143518)

Did Bauer actually "release" the texts? I watched his video this morning where he selectively quoted from them, but I haven't seen the full text conversations.

21. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 04, 2023 at 05:59 PM (#6143521)

I believe the Athletic said she had been diagnosed with a "skull fracture". The actual medical records initially noted "signs of basilar skull fracture", but the ultimate diagnosis was "acute head injury" and "assault by manual strangulation" rather than a skull fracture. An important distinction for a publication to get right, certainly, but I don't think that exonerates Bauer.

22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 04, 2023 at 06:10 PM (#6143523)

Well the video that a smirking Hill made in bed with a still sleeping Bauer after their 2nd encounter, where she shows no sign of any injury, would certainly seem to go a long way toward exonerating Bauer.

23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 04, 2023 at 06:39 PM (#6143528)

It's hard to reconcile that video with the medical records, allegedly both from the same day. So is the theory now that someone else bruised her head and scratched her face? Or that the entire medical records were faked?

24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 04, 2023 at 07:24 PM (#6143538)

So is the theory now that someone else bruised her head and scratched her face? Or that the entire medical records were faked?

There’s far more corroboration for those scenarios than Hill’s original claims. It seems likely that Hill’s injuries occurred after she left Bauer, either self-inflicted or at her request, and she then exaggerated her symptoms when she went to the hospital.

25. Booey Posted: October 04, 2023 at 07:52 PM (#6143549)

Could criminal charges be brought against Ms Hill? Extortion? Fraud? Filing a false police report? Anything?

26. baxter Posted: October 04, 2023 at 09:53 PM (#6143564)

17/19 Very interesting video. Bauer explains he had to go through civil discovery process to obtain material hidden from him. I wonder how he got the video recorded on Ms. H's phone? I would think she would have destroyed it; maybe she sent it to other people, posted it someplace?

He's completely innocent and should date your mom.

M__ (i don't know how you identify) Itchy:

Would you consider watching the video referred to in #17 and providing your opinion? If not, 22 is a fair description of the video (again, what really stuns me is how Bauer's attorneys were able to get it, subpoena, I suppose, but from where; I would think these things get deleted). I would really like to hear your analysis.

27. baxter Posted: October 04, 2023 at 09:53 PM (#6143565)

He's completely innocent and should date your mom.

28. Brian

Posted: October 04, 2023 at 11:00 PM (#6143582)

I would love to see the original thread . I was accused of actually being Bauer because I didn't want to lynch him. That accusation fizzled out when someone noted that I have been on BBTF since the day we had to register, when Bauer would have been a little kid.

29. Ron J Posted: October 04, 2023 at 11:19 PM (#6143586)

#25 Extortion? Probably requires Bauer's cooperation and I doubt that's happening. And the devil's very much in the details.

Filing a false report? Again depends very much on what she said.

30. base ball chick Posted: October 05, 2023 at 12:57 AM (#6143596)

count me in the group of people who didn't believe the woman in the first place

i seriously HATE gold diggers like her because all the people who actully believe females who were sexually assaulted (well, except old ladies and nuns and pre-pubertal females) deserved it or asked for it - gonna point to this as a big - SEE, toldja they all lyin bydchez. all them incel and women hating weirdos gonna be all ovah this

trevor bauer has some kind of personality disorder - he's an unlikeable person, something wrong with that boy, but he real aware of his on line brand and there is no way you gonna get me to believe he deliberately broke some woman's arm or head with CONSENSUAL S&M sex. if it was an accident, he be calling an ambulance

and if he really DID break her bones on purpose he would have been arrested, consensual S&M or not

31. Dr. Pooks Posted: October 05, 2023 at 03:18 AM (#6143598)

I believe the Athletic said she had been diagnosed with a "skull fracture". The actual medical records initially noted "signs of basilar skull fracture", but the ultimate diagnosis was "acute head injury" and "assault by manual strangulation" rather than a skull fracture. An important distinction for a publication to get right, certainly, but I don't think that exonerates Bauer.

The "signs of a skull fracture" language is a problem of misunderstanding medical semantics.

An ER doc can't really diagnose a skull fracture at the bedside, minus an obvious gaping wound.

But they are taught to look for pathognomobic physical signs at the bedside that are possibly indicative of a basilar skull fracture which requires imaging and urgent intervention.

They can't image every head injury that comes into the ER because of time, radiation dose, reality, etc. They need some way to triage the high priority cases.

Two of these pathognomonic signs for skull fracture are

- bilateral black eyes
- bruising over the mastoid area

So if a young woman comes to the ER claiming to have been raped, assaulted and punched in the head, and if the ER doc notes she has two black eyes, they are going to order a CT with an indication of "rule out basilar skull fracture" and may document in their notes "possible signs of basilar skull fracture".

So the bruising of both eyes or below the ear doesn't diagnose a skull fracture, it's only enough of a worry to order a CT to make sure there isn't one.

But a layman reading the records afterwards could easily misinterpret the finality of the diagnosis, seeing the possibility written on her chart.

TL; DR - It's the final CT report that matters, not what the ordering doc said.

32. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 05, 2023 at 07:27 AM (#6143601)

I know it's been years but does ANYONE here think for a second "huh, maybe I was too quick to leap to conclusions?" Any regrets whatsoever?

You're right. He's completely innocent and should date your mom.

There are numbers in between 0 and 100, you know.

33. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 05, 2023 at 09:46 AM (#6143609)

Just for the record, the Hill video isn’t new — Bauer’s lawyers have had it for over a year and released it publicly as well as including it as an exhibit in their filings in September 2022. It’s just getting more attention now due to Bauer’s video.

34. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: October 05, 2023 at 11:41 AM (#6143620)

#31 is very interesting, Dr. Pooks.

35. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 05, 2023 at 12:31 PM (#6143627)

Can anyone point to an actual explanation, from the judge, as to why that video was not allowed to be entered into evidence? It's the accuser's own video, so it's not hearsay. It is obviously relevant. If it's because Bauer can't prove it wasn't faked, well... then what kind of video can be entered into evidence?

36. Zach Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:06 PM (#6143635)

37. Zach Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:09 PM (#6143636)

#35 -- The case didn't go to trial, did it?

As to why they didn't release it earlier, why give the accuser a chance to change her story?

38. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:19 PM (#6143637)

No, but varied sources are claiming the judge ruled the video in question inadmissible during discovery, but none of them (that I've seen) explain why. For that matter there's no authoritative source known to me that the video was in fact ruled inadmissible. I'm trying to figure out if it was or wasn't actually in the case's evidential record before it was settled, and if not, why not.

39. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:44 PM (#6143641)

I don't think it was ever ruled inadmissable, and I haven't seen that claimed. Bauer said that it was not originally provided to his legal team by the police who investigated Hill's accusations. His lawyers filed it as an exhibit and made it available on their website over a year ago. But as others have noted, the case never went to trial.

40. The Duke Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:47 PM (#6143643)

So the last remaining question is why MLB gave him such a large suspension and whether he has any recourse through the union.

41. DCA Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:58 PM (#6143646)

So the last remaining question is why MLB gave him such a large suspension

Is it really a question? Bauer had been a thorn in MLB's side for a while. The league was more than happy to throw the book at him when they got the chance.

42. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 05, 2023 at 02:12 PM (#6143648)

I don't think his fellow players are weeping many tears for him, either.

43. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 05, 2023 at 02:13 PM (#6143650)

#31 -- I was thinking about that yesterday. If you were a completely unscrupulous person who wanted the ER report and medical bills to look as bad as possible, it wouldn't be that hard to get an unnecessary CAT scan.

"I dunno, doc. I've got this splitting headache, and I've been feeling woozy ever since getting hit in the head. Just do what you think is right."

Nobody is claiming that this is what happened. The photos show the woman had two black eyes and scratches on her face. The video calls into question whether Bauer was actually the one who caused those injuries, and even if he did he claims it was a consensual encounter. But let's stick to known facts here.

44. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 05, 2023 at 02:21 PM (#6143651)

Can anyone point to an actual explanation, from the judge, as to why that video was not allowed to be entered into evidence?

Like others, I’m not sure that was the case. Apparently, the video was obtained during discovery, possibly late in the process. Not sure if Bauer’s team got it from Hill, someone she shared it with, or a smart phone carrier that had it stored. Bauer makes a point of saying that Hill deleted some things he eventually obtained, and that his team had only recently been able to geolocate the video.

In any event, Bauer should have been able to refer to the video & texts while deposing Hill, and cross-examining her at trial. It looks like the prospect of that caused Hill to essentially abandon her lawsuit.

45. The Duke Posted: October 05, 2023 at 03:43 PM (#6143664)

Glavine, former player:

My thing is always it’s a delicate balance, and it’s a delicate thing when something like this happens. … And let’s say in Trevor’s case — and again I know something came down recently I don’t know the details of it. But let’s say in a case with Trevor where you find out there was no wrongdoing," Glavine said.
"Well, that’s essentially a three-year suspension that he’s not getting back. He can’t get that time back. He can’t go back in time and be three years younger and play."

The former Atlanta Braves and New York Mets star said there should be a bigger conversation on how allegations, like those against Bauer, which never resulted in criminal charges, and discipline should be handled.

46. Zach Posted: October 05, 2023 at 03:49 PM (#6143665)

But let's stick to known facts here.

I'm not claiming that's what happened. I'm saying that it wouldn't be that hard to make it happen.

I'm going back to the red herring issue. We all thought that possible skull fracture was this huge piece of evidence that immediately ruled out some explanations. But now it's looking like someone sufficiently unethical could very easily get that written down just by appearing at the ER with some bruises and a story.

47. Zach Posted: October 05, 2023 at 03:58 PM (#6143666)

To make it less inflammatory: suppose this was a trip-and-fall case against a local supermarket. At first you might think "She had to get evaluated for a possible skull fracture! No way anyone could fake that!" But actually, you could fake whether you needed to get evaluated. The CAT scan is the part you can't fake, but you could bluff your way into the scanning room.

48. Dr. Pooks Posted: October 05, 2023 at 04:03 PM (#6143667)

"I dunno, doc. I've got this splitting headache, and I've been feeling woozy ever since getting hit in the head. Just do what you think is right."

#36

The other way to get a CT scan of your brain in the ER is to show up intoxicated or under the influence of drugs while acting strangely and claiming a history of head trauma.

There's been lots of effort to streamline clinical rules to only do CT scans in high yield cases to properly allocate resources and reduce radiation doses to brains.

But essentially all the research and carefully thought out rules go out the window once the patient in front of you presents with "altered mental status".

Of course, in your average US ER, it's not going to be that difficult to get a CT scan even in weak cases because of liability.

You get in trouble for the bad outcomes you occasionally miss today, not the brain tumours you cause decades down the road.

49. Dolf Lucky Posted: October 05, 2023 at 06:57 PM (#6143687)

Nothing seems clear in this case but two things seem highly plausible:

1) Bauer likely has few allies in the sport. The silence from his LA teammates after this news broke spoke volumes.

2) Bauer is an antagonist by nature and my head goes to where post #1 was. If anyone was going to try to make MLB pay for the past couple years, isn’t this the one? Why not take MLB to court if you’re Bauer?

50. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 05, 2023 at 07:18 PM (#6143689)

Well... why not? Because it will be very expensive and he will lose. He'll be making no more millions; he'd better be thrifty with whatever of his MLB income he still has.

edit: you or someone else will surely ask, "why will he certainly lose?" I could be wrong about this, but my understanding is: as a union member, if his rights under the CBA were violated, it's the union's role to sue on his behalf. If they weren't, he has no legal standing to go and sue management as an individual.

51. Dolf Lucky Posted: October 05, 2023 at 07:57 PM (#6143692)

Ah, fair.

Still feels like he got screwed, so to speak.

52. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 05, 2023 at 08:03 PM (#6143694)

I'm going back to the red herring issue. We all thought that possible skull fracture was this huge piece of evidence that immediately ruled out some explanations. But now it's looking like someone sufficiently unethical could very easily get that written down just by appearing at the ER with some bruises and a story.

Who is “we all”? Pretty sure I didn’t think it was such a huge piece of evidence. There’s no legal standard I’m aware of where hitting her hard enough to give her two black eyes but no skull fracture has a different legal outcome than hitting her hard enough to give her two black eyes and a skull fracture.

I am not a doctor, but if you just show up at the ER with a bruise and say you feel woozy, I don’t think they are going to write down that you have “signs of a basilar skull fracture”. They may say you have signs of a concussion and they may still do a CT scan, but so what? Certain types of bruising are indicative of this injury and if you don’t have those, they’re not going to say you do.

Ultimately, as we have seen, getting them to say she had “signs of basilar skull fracture” without actually having it didn’t do Bauer’s accuser any good, so I’m not sure why you think everyone is going to try to fake it to get that in their medical records.

53. Ron J Posted: October 05, 2023 at 08:28 PM (#6143698)

#49 Because courts really don't get involved in these situations. I think he'd be more likely to succeed if he sued the union. And that's really low odds.

EDIT: Coke to 50.

54. base ball chick Posted: October 05, 2023 at 08:35 PM (#6143700)

DCA Posted: October 05, 2023 at 01:58 PM (#6143646)
So the last remaining question is why MLB gave him such a large suspension

Is it really a question? Bauer had been a thorn in MLB's side for a while. The league was more than happy to throw the book at him when they got the chance.

- dingdingding

i actually wondered if the female was a plant by MLB to get rid of bauer who i think is/was more disliked than barry bonds by the ballplayers. he hd like only a couple of MLB friends, best i can tell from his videos

The Duke Posted: October 05, 2023 at 03:43 PM (#6143664)
Glavine, former player:

My thing is always it’s a delicate balance, and it’s a delicate thing when something like this happens. … And let’s say in Trevor’s case — and again I know something came down recently I don’t know the details of it. But let’s say in a case with Trevor where you find out there was no wrongdoing," Glavine said.
"Well, that’s essentially a three-year suspension that he’s not getting back. He can’t get that time back. He can’t go back in time and be three years younger and play."

The former Atlanta Braves and New York Mets star said there should be a bigger conversation on how allegations, like those against Bauer, which never resulted in criminal charges, and discipline should be handled.

- most female victims of partner violence don't/won't agree to either file charges or testify - either paid off or scared off. like brett wife-beater myers wife. or roberto osuna's female partner (who actually left canada to avoid testifying). the only woman who opened her mouth on the record was addison russell's ex wife AFTER she decided to leave because he's a cheatin ho

so if the only evidence is the beaten woman and she refuses to talk there is a problem. guys can beat up women and pay em/scare em off and no criminal charges, no punishment and then MLB looks like they letting women beaters sliiiiide

it's the trevor bauers who get, um, screwed

55. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 05, 2023 at 08:52 PM (#6143705)

There are limited grounds to challenge a suspension or discharge, and relying on incorrect information isn’t usually one of them. Perhaps Bauer can claim sex discrimination, alleging MLB was too willing to believe a flimsy allegation of wrongdoing because it was made by a female, while discounting his evidence to the contrary because he was a male. Some states offer broader coverage than the federal employment discrimination statutes, which cover race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age & disability, and California is one of them, but I’m unfamiliar whether any provisions would be helpful to Bauer. Bauer appears to have competent attorneys, and they have access to more information than we do, but I’d be a bit surprised if they have enough to advise Bauer to sue MLB. Maybe it’s different if he’s blackballed for future employment, but his best move might to be to move on, even if he’s mostly vindicated by the latest developments.

56. Ron J Posted: October 05, 2023 at 09:34 PM (#6143709)

I think Glavine fundamentally misunderstands the policy. It's not about punishing wrongdoing per se. And that's why players have faced serious disciple in the past without criminal convictions.

Quoting again from a guy who made a number of pivotal rulings on player discipline (including not allowing the Padres to void LaMarr Hoyt's contract after he was sentenced to prison)

"Normally, off-duty conduct is the business of the employer only under certain limited circumstances - when it can be shown by credible evidence that the conduct directly injures the product or reputation of the business, where fellow workers reasonably refuse to work with the alleged miscreant, where the behavior renders the employee unable to perform his duties or appear at work, like being in jail, or where the conduct clearly breaches an employee's duty of loyalty to the employer.

All of this, sometimes referred to as the "vital nexus" requirement, recognizes that employers are not the guardians of the public weal or the ultimate censor of their employees' off-premises behavior, nor are they society's chosen enforcers."

Now that's the framework that the rules Bauer was suspended under was negotiated. And it very much matters that this was collectively bargained. There's almost zero chance that a court will get involved if a collectively bargained process is followed.

He was suspended primarily because MLB is interested in protecting the brand. Yeah the union could have negotiated stronger rules (suspension with pay for instance) but you have to give to get and the union members by and large have very little sympathy for somebody in Bauer's position. This was something there wasn't much will to fight for and frankly I doubt that the way things played out will change their mind as a group.

57. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 06, 2023 at 08:55 AM (#6143717)

i actually wondered if the female was a plant by MLB to get rid of bauer who i think is/was more disliked than barry bonds by the ballplayers. he hd like only a couple of MLB friends, best i can tell from his videos

There is 0% chance this is what happened. If it is, then MLB just happened to pick the least reliable accuser ever, she sent a bunch of texts to her friends that invalidated her case, and yet she never texted anything that revealed the plot with MLB.

58. Zach Posted: October 06, 2023 at 12:59 PM (#6143737)

Ultimately, as we have seen, getting them to say she had “signs of basilar skull fracture” without actually having it didn’t do Bauer’s accuser any good, so I’m not sure why you think everyone is going to try to fake it to get that in their medical records.

It did her a lot of good. It attracted a lot of publicity and put pressure on Bauer to settle. If it had gone to court, it would have been evidence of pain, suffering, and mental distress, plus documented monetary damages. It gave her an official document she could leak to sympathetic reporters if negotiations stalled.

59. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 06, 2023 at 01:56 PM (#6143748)

If it had gone to court, it would have been evidence of pain, suffering, and mental distress, plus documented monetary damages.

She did go to court. She couldn't even get the restraining order upheld.

60. Zach Posted: October 06, 2023 at 02:15 PM (#6143751)

61. base ball chick Posted: October 06, 2023 at 08:45 PM (#6143767)

57. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 06, 2023 at 08:55 AM (#6143717)

i actually wondered if the female was a plant by MLB to get rid of bauer who i think is/was more disliked than barry bonds by the ballplayers. he hd like only a couple of MLB friends, best i can tell from his videos

There is 0% chance this is what happened.

- yeh i know that NOW

i maent bfeore any of this came out

62. baxter Posted: October 06, 2023 at 09:35 PM (#6143771)

I appreciate Mr. Z's commentary (mainly b/c I agree with it)
While I like a good conspiracy theory myself, Occam's Razor and Mr. Inge explain why it would be highly unlikely (still non-zero, I suppose) that MLB would be involved.

60. Man that bedside video would be really damning. Any civil lawyers in CA know if the loser in trial must pay the winner's legal fees? I think it's a yes. That would be a real disincentive even to take a shot at a big payday.

63. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 07, 2023 at 08:59 AM (#6143776)

The bedside video would be damning unless she simply says that he hit her after it was taken.

64. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 07, 2023 at 09:14 AM (#6143779)

Ok, you win. Having an ER physician's admissions report talking about lots of dire potential injuries and a long list of medical tests and procedures that were run is not helpful in an extortion scheme and doesn't strengthen the plaintiff's position in settlement talks.

You’re making up things that didn’t happened and which I didn’t say.

I don’t think a report saying “signs of a basilar skull fracture” (not “lots of dire potential injuries”) and simultaneously ruling out that diagnosis, accompanied by photos of a woman with two black eyes and scratches on her face, is much more damning than a medical report with the same photo simply saying that she was hit in the head hard enough to give her that bruising. We don’t know how she got those injuries but once she had them and claimed Bauer did it, it was going to be problematic for him.

A lot of people here seem to think it’s really easy for a woman to pretend she was abused, get doctors and police to write whatever they want to about fake injuries, and extort wealthy men. In reality, it’s often very difficult for women who have been abused to get people to believe them or get the system to do anything unless they have obvious signs of physical abuse, and sometimes not even then.

65. base ball chick Posted: October 07, 2023 at 12:49 PM (#6143794)

64. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 07, 2023 at 09:14 AM (#6143779)

I don’t think a report saying “signs of a basilar skull fracture” (not “lots of dire potential injuries”) and simultaneously ruling out that diagnosis, accompanied by photos of a woman with two black eyes and scratches on her face, is much more damning than a medical report with the same photo simply saying that she was hit in the head hard enough to give her that bruising. We don’t know how she got those injuries but once she had them and claimed Bauer did it, it was going to be problematic for him.

- yep
because he has to prove he DIDN'T
- and she had to have someone ready to hit her/help her out to give her the bruising because you can't fake bruises, just exactly WHEN you got bruised

A lot of people here seem to think it’s really easy for a woman to pretend she was abused, get doctors and police to write whatever they want to about fake injuries, and extort wealthy men. In reality, it’s often very difficult for women who have been abused to get people to believe them or get the system to do anything unless they have obvious signs of physical abuse, and sometimes not even then.

- THIS
a billion zillion times THIS

which is why i have some serious extreme hostile feelings bout this female - she made it a kazillion jillion times easier for all the women haters to say that females just lying when they say some man beat them up or sexually assaulted them

and this bydddch picked the wrong sucker to pull this off on seeing as how bauer is the kind of guy who would have spent zillions just to not have to give her any payoff at ALL instead of just throwing her some $$$ to make her go away - by that time he had zero reason to pay her to make her go away. she had already permanently, instantly destroyed his MLB career anyhow

btw

i wonder what kind of insurance policy she had to get the 300K payoff - i never heard of a policy that pays you off you make up some shttt about getting beat up and not proving it

66. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 07, 2023 at 01:24 PM (#6143802)

The bedside video would be damning unless she simply says that he hit her after it was taken.

Hill is already locked into claiming that the injuries occurred earlier. She’s now saying her bruises “took time to show” and her texts are being “taken out of context”. While bruising may get worse over time, one wouldn’t be unblemished the next morning.

While it now seems quite obvious that Ms. Hill was in it for the money from the start, and has lied repeatedly about the events at issue, that is only because she unwisely shared her plans with her friends via texts & video, which allowed Bauer to eventually obtain evidence that largely vindicated him. If Ms. Hill had been more discreet, Bauer’s denials probably wouldn’t convince many, here or elsewhere. That’s not to say one should automatically be skeptical of all reports of domestic violence, far from it, but Bauer’s situation had numerous red flags from the beginning. They shouldn’t have been ignored.

67. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 07, 2023 at 01:39 PM (#6143806)

i wonder what kind of insurance policy she had to get the 300K payoff - i never heard of a policy that pays you off you make up some shttt about getting beat up and not proving it

That’s a bit fuzzy, but some homeowners or renters insurance policies also provide some coverage for civil liability unrelated to the dwelling. I wonder what the limit was on Hill’s policy - the insurance company may have paid her out of fear that they’d be liable for a larger sum if she lost, although it may be just for attorneys fees they were obligated to pay regardless of the outcome.

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