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Tuesday, January 10, 2006
A double shot of RoboThal.
ALSO: O’s should still listen to offers for Tejada
The Devil Rays tried to acquire right-hander Jae Seo from the Mets for reliever Danys Baez with the intention of flipping Seo to the Dodgers for prospects. Instead, the Mets sent Seo to the Dodgers for reliever Duaner Sanchez, a trade that, at first glance, favors L.A.
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Remember first baseman Julio Zuleta, who appeared briefly with the Cubs in 2000 and ‘01 and went to spring training with the Red Sox in ‘03? He has hit a combined 80 homers the past two seasons in Japan, and major-league teams are again expressing interest in him, even though he is under contract for one more season with the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks and considering an extension. Zuleta, who turns 31 on March 28, finished second in the Pacific League in all three Triple Crown categories last season.
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Posted: January 10, 2006 at 07:20 AM | 39 comment(s)
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1. MM1f Posted: January 10, 2006 at 07:27 AM (#1813943)Molina aside, I'm really concerned about Torre giving Bernie way too many ABs at DH at a time when he may be replacement level or worse.
Seriously? I haven't read the article, but that sounds like a horrendous trade for the O's. Goodness.
One of my favorite baseball photos was of Zuleta, Ortiz and Manny side by side in spring training of 03. Manny was dwarfed by Ortiz, who was, in turn, dwarfed by Zuleta. Julio is a beast of a man. With a great name to boot.
I don't trust anything Rosenthal has to say about the Orioles. He used to be the Orioles beat writer and loves taking potshots at the team (not that they don't deserve it)...e.g., the sarcastic comment about the Astros and Orioles rotations. So while the Astros might have offered that, who knows if that was really the most likely trade.
and a damn good one.
</i>Everett and Taveras are worthless, at least offensively</i>
david ortiz is worthless, at least defensively.
In any case, I don't think I'd describe that proposal as "horrendous" from the O's perspective, PJ. Unless we think Tejada's 10-WARP season of '04 is typical, then giving up his 7.6 '05 WARP for a Lidge (6.2 WARP in '05, at age 28), Everett (3.2 at age 28), and Taveras (4.4 at age 23) is worth thinking about, at least.
Two things I worry about with Miggy: (a) that "vitamin B-12 injection" issue, and (b) the rumors about his actual age > listed age. Going forward, I wonder how realistic it is to expect 7.5+ WARP annually from him.
Lidge is much better than you give him credit for RP. He's more than "just a reliever". Tell teams like PHI, ATL, and the NYMN last year, Boston in '03, etc. that closers are "just relievers", especially closers like Lidge, Rivera, and Gagne. Taveras is highly underated. The guy skipped AAA last year and is just 23. Just a guess, but this guy will probably get better. If Lane is chosen, so what if he's another Gibbons...he's a definate upgrade over the blank spot in LF.
Say what you want about Everett, but he's the best SS defensively in the NL. He makes your pitchers better.
All of that just be enough to justify the trade, but then there's the opportunity cost. $30m over the next 3 years would be free'd up for FA. That's a lot of jack to be able to throw around with some really nice FA classes coming in the next 2 years.
I should add that Lidge might make sense if the Orioles were a better team and a great closer would put them over the top. They're not, so it's kind of pointless.
You could say the same about Tejada.
Right, which is why I think the Orioles should trade him for blue chip prospects.
If anything, his career path would suggest he's younger than his stated age.
That's not a bad idea, but there aren't many contending (or near-contending) teams that need a closer and have prospects. Indians, Cubs, Tigers, ???
[Watch Darren come in with a three way offer: Mota to ATL, Langerhans to CLE, Coco to BOS. 'Cause Mota is really great.]
I don't see what's wrong with Lidge, Everett and Lane for Tejada. That's a fair haul. But I'm not an O's fan, so there's that.
Btw, who in their right mind would give 40m/4yrs to Jeff Weaver?!
If someone offers to pick up most or all of Tejada's salary AND you can get a trade chit in Brad Lidge in return, PLUS a couple of at least average MLB players (defense included here), I think it's a pretty easy choice.
The ChiSox winning it all last year was great for the SABR-savvy teams. If teams try to copy their defense/small ball/speed (although the Sox didn't really have speed) approach, we will, once again, have teams overpay for those types of players. IOW, a guy like Willy Taveras is once again overvalued... again, useful trade bait, for a contender wanting to improve his OF at the deadline.
Good point. Actually, I also completely forgot about Atlanta. They have a gaping hole at closer and Lidge could make a huge difference for them. I wouldn't mind seeing a three way with Tejada going to the Astros, Lidge going to the Braves, and Everett, Lane and a couple of good Braves prospects going to the Orioles.
To further expand, here's my worst case scenario as a suffering Tigers fan assuming the O's and Astros make this deal.
It's late April and the Tigers are off to a decent start in a cramped AL Central. Suddenly and without warning, the Tigers realize that Todd Jones isn't the answer.
"I'll have my people talk to your people"...
April 30th... O's send Brad Lidge and cash to the Tigers for RHP Justin Verlander and RHP Joel Zumaya.
Gee, that's great. At least I can dominate innings 7 thru 9 in MVP baseball 2007..........shyt
But Lidge is one of the BEST closers in baseball. Better throw in Shelton too.
they can always turn to proven closer Troy Percival, you know.
But not for Ramirez/Clement? You've got to be shitting me. I mean, they'd be getting salary relief, but still.
There's one thing the Cubs don't need, it's another reliever. (Well, Dempster might crap out, but he's the nominal closer, and the Cubs are committed to him for 3 years.)
If the Orioles were a team like the '05 Braves or '03 Red Sox, giving up a ton for a Brad Lidge might make sense. What additional value Lidge is going to give you over Chris Ray at closer is generally worth far less than what Tejada can give you over and above Adam Everett or whoever else you plug in at SS; however, that closer's innings can be of greatly exaggerated value in a short playoff series or a tight pennant race.
The lack of a top-shelf closer is not what's keeping the Orioles from getting to and winning a playoff series. How do I know this? B.J. Ryan was one, at least last year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/01/baez_to_dodgers.html
"These talks are still preliminary, but I was able to uncover some more info from a source close to the Devil Rays. Word from that end is that Edwin Jackson and Dioner Navarro would go to Tampa Bay in a deal for Baez and Toby Hall. The Dodgers may find Navarro expendable with top prospect Russell Martin perhaps a year away."
Wow. How the mighty have fallen.
How dare those Orioles not take on 2 players who aren't even worth their salaries.
Let's compare
Lidge, Everett, Taveras/Lane, and 25-30 mil or Manny and Clement?
I'd bite on that one if I were Tampa. Jackson is probably at his lowest value right now, and he's still better than any D'Ray pitching prospect.
-- MWE
Presumably the Manny/Clement package included a good deal of cash, as the Red Sox abandoned their "organizational philosophy" of not including cash in trades somewhere between the ARod non-trade and the Renteria deal.
Now, if Baez were available for less than that, that might be different. There are undoubtedly some prospects that the Dodgers would move.
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