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Free agent Albert Pujols, Los Angeles Dodgers agree to major-league contract

Future Hall of Famer Albert Pujols has a new home, agreeing to a major-league contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers on Saturday, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

The person spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because the team had not yet announced the deal.

Pujols, 41, was designated for assignment by the Los Angeles Angels earlier in May and became a free agent after clearing waivers.  Pujols was in the final year of a 10-year deal he signed with the Angels prior to the 2012 season and the team is still on the hook for his $30 million 2021 salary – while the Dodgers will only pay Pujols a prorated league minimum.

The Dodgers, who were hitting just .217 against left-handed pitchers this year, badly needed bench help and Pujols had three homers in 27 at-bats against lefties with an .878 OPS. Rookies Sheldon Neuse and D.J. Peters have been the primary right-handed hitters off the bench for the Dodgers

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   1. The Duke Posted: May 16, 2021 at 11:23 PM (#6019068)
This should put to bed the Angels rationale that Pujols wouldn’t agree to being a pinch hitter. Minasian’s whole story looks suspect now. They obviously just wanted to get rid of him. Why they didn’t do it on the offseason or after spring training is the real Mystery.
   2. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 16, 2021 at 11:36 PM (#6019069)
while the Dodgers will only pay Pujols a prorated league minimum.


Aren't they paying the Angels? Or do they pay him and the Angels pay him correspondently less?
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 16, 2021 at 11:52 PM (#6019070)
I believe the Dodgers pay Pujols, and the Angels pay him correspondingly less.
   4. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: May 16, 2021 at 11:54 PM (#6019071)
Or do they pay him and the Angels pay him correspondently less?


Yep.

Minasian’s whole story looks suspect now. They obviously just wanted to get rid of him. Why they didn’t do it on the offseason or after spring training is the real Mystery.


Really? I could see any player, not even those who reached the heights Pujols achieved, coming to terms with what little might be available on roster after being DFA'd. For Minasian's story to be suspect, then so too must be what Maddon has said.
   5. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:33 AM (#6019077)
Pujols, 41,


Is that how we are listing 44 now?

Yeah, I know, I'm a riot. I'm available for weddings, parties, anything.
   6. The Duke Posted: May 17, 2021 at 09:07 AM (#6019087)
4. I’m sure maddon was just taking the company line. Maddon had him penciled into lineup - it’s not like he had to play Pujols every day.
   7. McCoy Posted: May 17, 2021 at 09:31 AM (#6019088)
Yes. There are plenty of people who won't accept a reduced role in the company they work for but will in a new company.

Especially when the new employer looks like it is going places and the old one isn't.
   8. The Duke Posted: May 17, 2021 at 09:43 AM (#6019090)
Why is the signing taking so long. Shouldn’t he have played over the weekend ?
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 09:44 AM (#6019091)
Yes. There are plenty of people who won't accept a reduced role in the company they work for but will in a new company.

Especially when the new employer looks like it is going places and the old one isn't.


Also, the week without any other offers to become any club's starting first baseman/DH may have opened his eyes to reality.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: May 17, 2021 at 10:03 AM (#6019093)
Why is the signing taking so long. Shouldn’t he have played over the weekend ?
Yesterday was a bullpen game. I don't know much about the guys who pitched, but maybe they are sending one or more of them down to AAA but wanted to get the innings out of him/them first. There's no rush to activate a washed-up bench player.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 10:14 AM (#6019094)
I honestly don't see how Pujols has any value, even as a bench player. A 70-80 OPS+ bat doesn't work as a PH. He can't run, and can only play 1B.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM (#6019099)
I honestly don't see how Pujols has any value, even as a bench player. A 70-80 OPS+ bat doesn't work as a PH. He can't run, and can only play 1B.
I don't see it either. Their roster does maybe have a need for a RH bat who can play first, but why him? They have a guy named Rangel Ravelo at AAA who could probably do those things better, plus they let some guy Connor Joe leave on a minor-league deal this offseason who also fits that profile.
   13. DanG Posted: May 17, 2021 at 11:08 AM (#6019103)
Probably they signed him to juice attendance.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6019104)
Probably they signed him to juice attendance.

"Come out an see how far below 100 Pujols can get his WAR!"
   15. bunyon Posted: May 17, 2021 at 11:38 AM (#6019106)
We may rationally know how good Pujols is right now but humans - even hyper analytical humans with money on the line - aren't entirely rational. While the Dodgers may have had a number of AAA and even AAAA types available for the minimum, none of them are ALBERT PUJOLS, HALL OF FAMER!

No, they didn't sign a hall of famer but a part of their hearts thinks they did.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:13 PM (#6019113)
I honestly don't see how Pujols has any value, even as a bench player. A 70-80 OPS+ bat doesn't work as a PH. He can't run, and can only play 1B.
As the article notes, “Pujols had three homers in 27 at-bats against lefties with an .878 OPS”, which seems to represent the best case for any potential value. I just don’t see how that can outweigh the poor defense & baserunning, as well as the benefits from alternative uses of the roster spot. I guess the Dodgers have some injuries, but it’s hard to believe their supposedly vaunted farm system didn’t include better options.
   17. Jesus Luzardo Maraschino Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:16 PM (#6019114)
He is also a good teammate and knows a ton about hitting, preparation for games etc. He might be able to get Gavin Lux going for example.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:23 PM (#6019116)
As the article notes, “Pujols had three homers in 27 at-bats against lefties with an .878 OPS”, which seems to represent the best case for any potential value.

Since 2017 hi wRC+ vs LHP have been 64, 82, 113, 66, and 143 in 27 PA. If the Dodgers are buying a 27 PA SSS fluke, that's a thin reed.

I just don’t see how that can outweigh the poor defense & baserunning, as well as the benefits from alternative uses of the roster spot. I guess the Dodgers have some injuries, but it’s hard to believe their supposedly vaunted farm system didn’t include better options.

Concur 100%.

He is also a good teammate and knows a ton about hitting, preparation for games etc. He might be able to get Gavin Lux going for example.

I fully endorse his hiring as a coach.
   19. Lars6788 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:25 PM (#6019117)
This reminds me when Rickey Henderson played for them nearly 20 years ago.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6019120)
To add to my confusion, the Dodgers have a 1B named Rangel Ravelo, and an OF name Zach Reks each putting up a 1000+ OPS in AAA. Both those guys have put up 850-900 OPS in AAA before.

Ravelo is 29, and Reks 27, so not real prospects, but isn't this why you carry guys like that?
   21. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6019121)
This reminds me when Rickey Henderson played for them nearly 20 years ago.


And this reminds me that I'm old.

But if Pujols can steal his 1404, 1405, and 1406th base for the Dodgers this year, I predict that this signing will have worked out pretty well.
   22. bunyon Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6019122)
Ravelo is 29, and Reks 27, so not real prospects, but isn't this why you carry guys like that?

Yes, of course. But Pujols is still Pujols in feeling. I mean, I could be wrong, but that's all I've got. You hope there is a last gasp return to something resembling what he was.

There won't be, but it's a hope fueled signing, not an analytical one.
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6019132)
Yes, of course. But Pujols is still Pujols in feeling. I mean, I could be wrong, but that's all I've got. You hope there is a last gasp return to something resembling what he was.

There won't be, but it's a hope fueled signing, not an analytical one.


Sure, but even if Pujols were a 900 OPS guys vs LHP (and useless vs RHP) is that worth a roster spot given he can only play 1B, and can't run at all? That's what's confusing. Even if their hope pans out, this seems like a marginal decision.
   24. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6019133)
I saw an article yesterday (that I didn't click) headlining that the Dodgers signing Pujols gives them a 4th former MVP. One of those statements that is true, but meaningless. Could make for a good trivia question some day, though (not sure what the record is for most former MVPs on one team is).

Edit: Looks like the record is 4. The 1983 Angels had Carew, Jackson, Lynn and Baylor.
   25. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:59 PM (#6019137)
First thought was 1978 Reds, but they're also four.
   26. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:06 PM (#6019143)
Yeah, weird signing. It’s not like Pujols is any great shakes vs. LHP. He had a good year against them in 2019, but otherwise no remarkable platoon splits.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:09 PM (#6019144)
Edit: Looks like the record is 4. The 1983 Angels had Carew, Jackson, Lynn and Baylor.

Early 60's Yankees must have had four. Mantle, Berra, Maris, Howard.
   28. phredbird Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:12 PM (#6019145)

i got raked over the coals in another thread for suggesting that gate attraction might have something to do with it.

my overbid was saying 'lots of people' might want to see him. i'll crawfish on that and say 'some' people might want to see him play.

i also noted that in 2015, when the cardinals won 100 games, they kept mark reynolds around.

131G 23HR 244/305/430 90 ops+
140G 13HR 230/315/398 93 ops+

one of these is reynolds 2015, one of them is pujols 2019. his numbers suggest he's declined even since then. but maybe since there's no way he's playing every day, he can put up those rates.

so who would you want to see? i know the dodgers draw any way, but i don't know what else might be on their minds.



   29. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:16 PM (#6019150)
Early 60's Yankees must have had four. Mantle, Berra, Maris, Howard.


Never four formers. Three formers and an MVP that season.

Along those lines, the 28 A's had three former (Cobb, Speaker, Collins), one to be crowned that season (Cochrane), and two future (Foxx and Grove). And Al Simmons, a former MVP runner-up.
   30. Lars6788 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6019151)
Jason Giambi was allowed to hang on for far longer than he should have and people didn’t say a peep about how it was a bad thing.

At this point, I don’t care about Pujols or whether this is going to set the Dodgers back - but let’s see if he can finish that one more big league season, actual value be dammed.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM (#6019160)
Jason Giambi was allowed to hang on for far longer than he should have and people didn’t say a peep about how it was a bad thing.

To be fair, Giambi was mostly a PH/backup his last 5 years. 773 PA in 5 seasons. The Angels were running Pujols out there every day until very recently.
   32. bunyon Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:30 PM (#6019167)
There won't be, but it's a hope fueled signing, not an analytical one.

Sure, but even if Pujols were a 900 OPS guys vs LHP (and useless vs RHP) is that worth a roster spot given he can only play 1B, and can't run at all? That's what's confusing. Even if their hope pans out, this seems like a marginal decision.


I'm not making myself clear. The only reason to sign Pujols, rather than one of your AAAA guys is that the AAAA guys have never been and never will be a hall of famer. The "hope" part of a Pujols signing is that he will be better than AAAA (or AAA (or even AA)), that he will be Albert Pujols for one more glorious ride. I doubt the Dodger brain trust that signed him acknowledges that hope even to themselves. But the point is, you can't find a baseball reason, or reasons, for the signing. It makes no sense under anything other than, "hey, maybe he'll hit 30 HR the last 3/4 of the season like the old days."

Again, he won't. But that possibility is subconsciously there, I guarantee it.
   33. Nasty Nate Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6019173)
i got raked over the coals in another thread for suggesting that gate attraction might have something to do with it.

my overbid was saying 'lots of people' might want to see him. i'll crawfish on that and say 'some' people might want to see him play.
While I understand that people in the LA area sometimes loathe driving to other parts of the area, it seems like they've plenty of chances to see him play over the past decade if they wanted to.
   34. bunyon Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:37 PM (#6019177)
Jason Giambi was allowed to hang on for far longer than he should have and people didn’t say a peep about how it was a bad thing.

Giambi was no Pujols. For some reason, we have less of a problem watching the decline of players the worse they are. I admire guys who want to play forever. Pujols shouldn't be playing. But that he wants to, I like.
   35. The Duke Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:07 PM (#6019213)
If you are the Dodgers and you catch lightning in a bottle you have the delicious result of Albert Pujols, who was supposed to lead the other LA team to the promised land for the last ten years, leading the Dodgers to another World Series on Arte Moreno’s dime while Mike Trout goes another season without post-season play. That has to be worth trying, no?

If there is a higher form of life out there, please let this happen.
   36. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:23 PM (#6019220)
Duke must have it. This is a long-shot play to troll the Angels. Much more likely is that he gets released June 1st or so, but it would be an excellent trolling if it worked.
   37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:38 PM (#6019225)
The "hope" part of a Pujols signing is that he will be better than AAAA (or AAA (or even AA)), that he will be Albert Pujols for one more glorious ride.
If you squint just right, you might see a day or two when Pujols resembles the player he once was. Babe Ruth belted 3 HRs in a game for the Boston Braves in 1935, his last season, but overall he hit .181/.359/.431. Now that works out to a 119 OPS+, so maybe there’s hope, but it’s not 1935, Pujols isn’t Ruth, and he is actually older than the Babe was then, so I wouldn’t expect a similarly slug-heavy OPS+. Would be interesting if he does have a few moments, though.
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:52 PM (#6019229)

I saw an article yesterday (that I didn't click) headlining that the Dodgers signing Pujols gives them a 4th former MVP. One of those statements that is true, but meaningless. Could make for a good trivia question some day, though (not sure what the record is for most former MVPs on one team is).

Edit: Looks like the record is 4. The 1983 Angels had Carew, Jackson, Lynn and Baylor.


@SlangsOnSports
When Pujols plays a game for the Dodgers, he'll be the 4th MVP to appear for LAD this year (Betts, Bellinger, Kershaw)

Only 3 teams have had 4+ former MVP winners appear in at least 1 game (RS or PS) for them in a season:

1996 Red Sox
1982 Angels
1978 Reds
   39. Smitty* Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:57 PM (#6019231)
Not that this outweighs all of the other reasons why this is questionable, but the whole “limited to 1B” doesn’t really matter for the Dodgers. Muncy can play other spots and they have lots of positional flexibility throughout their lineup. In fact if they’re willing to let Muncy play an outfield corner (which he hasn’t done since 2018 granted) Pujols could fill in for anyone in the starting lineup except the catcher.

As a Cards fan, I was really hoping he would set out and then sign a one day contract to retire as a Cardinal. It’s painful seeing him try to hold on like this.

Oh, and don’t you hate pants?
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:25 PM (#6019235)

1996 Red Sox


Mo and Roger were easy. I don't think I would have guessed one of them, and I know I never would have guessed the other.

   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6019245)
Also, they had the father of a future NFL MVP!
   42. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:50 PM (#6019247)
Over/under for the Dodgers DFA date: June 15, 2021
   43. JJ1986 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:52 PM (#6019249)
I know I never would have guessed the other.
I remember this guy's big 1994 season, but could have not told you any of the 4 teams he played on after that.
   44. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:53 PM (#6019250)
The 1978 Reds were the most remarkable because all four of their former MVPs had won them for the Reds. Only two of the Red Sox MVPs had won them for the Sox, and only one of the Angels' had won it for the Angels.
   45. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 17, 2021 at 05:01 PM (#6019254)
This is a weird move. The Dodgers are actually in 3rd place right now, so obviously they believe that Pujols can help them.
   46. Nasty Nate Posted: May 17, 2021 at 05:07 PM (#6019256)
Mo and Roger were easy. I don't think I would have guessed one of them, and I know I never would have guessed the other.
I would have guessed Eckersley.
   47. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: May 17, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6019258)
Giambi was no Pujols. For some reason, we have less of a problem watching the decline of players the worse they are. I admire guys who want to play forever. Pujols shouldn't be playing. But that he wants to, I like.


Pujols did it for way longer of course, but Giambi was a hell of a hitter. His 5-year peak compares pretty well to Albert's StL run (which granted was more than twice as long). Giambi's best OPS+ was actually higher than Albert's best.
   48. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 05:32 PM (#6019260)
The All-"That Guy Ended His Career with the Dodgers?" Team

C Jim Leyritz
1B Boog Powell
2B Michael Young
SS Mark Belanger
3B Robin Ventura (or Enos Cabell or Ken Boyer)
LF Rickey Henderson
CF Cesar Cedeno
RF Garret Anderson
SP Juan Marichal
SP Greg Maddux
SP David Wells
SP Wilson Alvarez
RP Hoyt Wilhelm
   49. Walt Davis Posted: May 17, 2021 at 06:08 PM (#6019263)
On the "surely they have somebody at AAA ..." question, I think we've got to trust the Dodgers on that one. Even leaving aside past brilliant promotions like Turner and Muncy, just this season the Dodgers have given substantial PT to Matt Beaty (28 yo, 143 OPS+) and Zach McKinstry (26 yo, 142 OPS+). Luke Raley (28) and DJ Peters (25) have made their ML debut; Sheldon Neuse (26) has been brought up. They've even given 60 horrible PA (2 OPS+) to 27-yo Edwin Rios. So they've been willing to roll the dice with AAAA guys with some success but they're already 6 deep (McKinstry and Rios on the IL). If they think Ravelo, etc. were #7 or lower on the emergency list to begin with, it's unlikely they are gonna be much help. (Yes, it's unlikely Pujols will be much help.)

Their starting LF, CF and SS are now on the DL and Lux hasn't hit. They're getting a bit desperate although they have the luxury of everybody else putting up 130 OPS+. If he starts any games, Pujols will take PT from Peters or Neuse.

C Smith/Barnes (not a R/L platoon)
1B Muncy/Pujols or whoever
2B Taylor/Muncy
SS Lux/Taylor (or Lux 100% at SS with Taylor moving to OF)
3B Turner
LF Beaty/RHB
CF Mookie
RF Raley?/RHB

That's still a fine layup but they are almost out of bodies.
   50. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 06:35 PM (#6019266)
LOL, he's hitting cleanup tonight.
   51. phredbird Posted: May 17, 2021 at 08:43 PM (#6019282)

While I understand that people in the LA area sometimes loathe driving to other parts of the area, it seems like they've plenty of chances to see him play over the past decade if they wanted to.


yeah, loathe is about right.

pujols might as well have been playing on another planet.

after he was traded, it didn't even occur to me to go to Orange County to see him play there. maybe i'm a little lazier than most, but i would say that was a pretty typical reaction among angelenos.

people with kids would take them to anaheim for disneyland, i suppose. but otherwise, forget it. it really is a crummy drive.

   52. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 11:12 PM (#6019335)
LOL, he's hitting cleanup tonight.


And just got an RBI. Not expected, but respect to the old man.
   53. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 18, 2021 at 12:29 AM (#6019338)
Mo and Roger were easy. I don't think I would have guessed one of them, and I know I never would have guessed the other.
Surprisingly, I got both off the top of my head.
   54. Rally Posted: May 18, 2021 at 09:08 AM (#6019357)
Giambi with the Rockies and Indians was playing on a series of one year contracts, for not big money. Every year a team made the decision he was worth having on the roster. Pujols was more of a sunk cost. I didn’t think there was any way he’d still have a job for the last few years without his big contract. But the Dodgers apparently don’t agree with me.
   55. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 18, 2021 at 09:43 AM (#6019363)
Jason Giambi was allowed to hang on for far longer than he should have and people didn’t say a peep about how it was a bad thing.

We were all arguing about politics and steroids back then, cut us some slack.

But I’m sure I commented somewhere that the Rockies/Indians should just hire Giambi as a coach (since there was a bunch of talk about how great he was with the young hitters).
   56. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 18, 2021 at 09:46 AM (#6019364)
This is a good example.

Jason Giambi isn’t what he used to be. The 42-year-old slugger is little more than a player-coach at this point of his career, his leadership adding more value to the Cleveland Indians than his bat
   57. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 20, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6020019)
Congrats to 2021 Comeback Player of the Year Albert Pujols!

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