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Wednesday, September 06, 2006

Freep: Tigers fire Double-A staff

Carnac: [holding sealed envelope up to his turban]....“A Dyer, an Inker and a Spitter.”

The Tigers fired Double-A Erie manager Duffy Dyer and his coaching staff Monday.

Dyer, hitting coach Pete Incaviglia, and pitching coach Mike Caldwell were told of their dismissal after a season-ending, 10-inning loss to Akron.

Dyer managed the Seawolves for two seasons. They shared the Eastern Leagues worst record in his first year (63-79) and finished with the worst overall record this season (60-81).

Repoz Posted: September 06, 2006 at 11:47 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 01:08 PM (#2168988)
How were they on player development? Anybody have any idea?
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 06, 2006 at 01:20 PM (#2168996)
Mike Caldwell? Good gravy. Mike was the antithesis of what one would want in a coach when he was a player. He opposed conditioning. Hated drills. Not very personable.

I had lost track of him. Though his memory endures in Milwaukee courtesy of Doug Davis. Davis is the spitting image of Caldwell. (pun intended for those who know Caldwell's stock in trade as a pitcher)

Good luck Mike...................
   3. fuzzycopper Posted: September 06, 2006 at 01:22 PM (#2169001)
Incaviglia was a hitting coach? Whoa. Maybe he's really great with tweaking a hitter's swing to generate more power or something, but my gut reaction is that I wouldn't want him anywhere near the developing players for fear they'd pick up the swing-as-hard-as-you-can-on-every-pitch mentality that was his calling card.

I'd love to have him on my company softball team though.
   4. Dr Love Posted: September 06, 2006 at 01:26 PM (#2169006)
I'd love to have him on my company softball team though.

You'd have to bring an extra keg though.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 06, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2169011)
I'd love to follow #2 and #3 by saying "Duffy Dyer? I went to high school with Duffy Dyer, and he is the last person I would want managing a team. He blew up 35 mailboxes junior year, and spent entire gym periods hitting tennis balls out of the court and over the water tower. And I think he was retarded." - but I have never heard of Duffy Dyer before.

Anyway, the article goes on to say that the next Erie manager will probably be Matt Walbeck. The catcher-->manager tradition lives on.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:32 PM (#2169067)
I have never heard of Duffy Dyer before.

you young people today...

next, you'll be telling us you never heard of Chris Canzaneri
   7. 100 Years is Nothing Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:37 PM (#2169073)
Or Norm Gigon...
   8. Cris E Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:37 PM (#2169074)
Chris Canzanero?
   9. Buddha Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:39 PM (#2169079)


How were they on player development? Anybody have any idea?


Erie was horrible this year. Seemingly every player who advanced there with a little fanfare had a terrible season, especially Clevlen and Kirkland.
   10. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:42 PM (#2169086)
next, you'll be telling us you never heard of Chris Canzaneri

If Harry Caray never called him that, he should have.
   11. Boots Day Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#2169087)
For you young kids, Casey Stengel always used to call Chris Cannizzaro "Canzaneri."

Next week, I'll explain a Bob Miller joke.
   12. Roadblock Jones Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:47 PM (#2169090)
Duffy Dyer might have been a better hitter than Jerry Grote (that wasn't saying much) but couldn't edge him for PT given Grote's rep with the Met pitchers. He wore Number 10.
   13. 185/456(GGC) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:52 PM (#2169099)
Mike Caldwell? Good gravy. Mike was the antithesis of what one would want in a coach when he was a player. He opposed conditioning. Hated drills. Not very personable.



Nine Innings either called him "Mr. %^&*ing Warmth" or said that his Brewer teammates gave him a t-shirt that said that.
   14. Cris E Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:57 PM (#2169110)
Oh goody, I'm young. That happens less and less the further I get from 40.

Actually I just checked out Duffy's B-Ref page and Canzaneri is his #2 comp with Walbeck #3. (What did top comp Marc Hill do to get skipped?)
   15. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 06, 2006 at 02:57 PM (#2169111)
GGC:

Well, I get accused regularly of being overly harsh in my summaries so I softened my description.

Caldwell's sense of humor was bitter. Just an overall testy fellow.........
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:03 PM (#2169116)
For you young kids, Casey Stengel always used to call Chris Cannizzaro "Canzaneri."

just like Landry used to refer to his backup QB as "Hoganbloom"

I always wondered where Casey came up with that name, then I found out that there was a well-known lightweight boxer in New York named Tony Canzoneri
   17. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:06 PM (#2169119)
I went to grade school with Duffy Dyer's kids. They didn't blow up any mailboxes, as far as I know.
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:08 PM (#2169121)
Actually I just checked out Duffy's B-Ref page and Canzaneri is his #2 comp

wow--Dyer's comp list reads like a "who's not" of catchers from the 60s--Hobie Landreth, Phil Roof, Jake Gibbs

(so, whither Russ Nixon and Charlie Lau?)
   19. Cris E Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:14 PM (#2169126)
And Phil Roof was a minor league manager for the Twins for ages. Still may be, for all I know.
   20. Sam M. Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:24 PM (#2169135)
I have never heard of Duffy Dyer before.

Duffy Dyer might have been a better hitter than Jerry Grote (that wasn't saying much) but couldn't edge him for PT given Grote's rep with the Met pitchers.


First of all, never heard of Duffy Dyer? I know I'm in a certain population niche (Mets' fan, came of age in the late 60s) when to me, Duffy Dyer is about as famous as Katie Couric. I just kind of assume everyone knows who Duffy Dyer is.

And second, Jerrry Grote's rep, Roadblock? It wasn't rep; Grote was legitimately one of the best defensive catchers you could ever want to see. McCarver -- who really dislikes Grote -- believes Grote was a better catcher (defensively) than Bench. Actually, I'm not sure I know of anyone who liked Grote, but I've never heard of anyone who didn't think he was just outstanding behind the plate and with pitchers.
   21. WillYoung Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:26 PM (#2169137)
Cris E, this is Roof's first year of retirement. His wife died last year after a long battle with cancer and the Cliburns (Stan and Stu) were promoted from AA to take over at Rochester.
   22. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 06, 2006 at 03:51 PM (#2169177)
When Bob Uecker talks about how catchers try to help the pitchers one of the areas he talks about is motivating. And one of his stories involves how Jerry Grote would try to get his pitchers going by antagonizing the pitcher into being so mad at Grote he would forget about other stuff. I don't do the story justice as Uke goes into this riff of Grote walking out to the mound telling the pitcher how his pitches are terrible, how Grote has told the manager he (the pitcher) needs to be replaced, and by the way his wife is ugly. And so are his kids.
   23. VG Posted: September 06, 2006 at 04:01 PM (#2169188)
(so, whither Russ Nixon and Charlie Lau?)

Lau died in 1984 (I knew it was in the 1980s, but I had to confirm the exact year with bb-ref.com). So scratch him off, then.
   24. Urban Faber Posted: September 06, 2006 at 04:09 PM (#2169200)
Next week, I'll explain a Bob Miller joke.

Or you could have Nelson do it.
   25. bibigon Posted: September 06, 2006 at 04:12 PM (#2169203)
I'd love to have him on my company softball team though.


True or false: Pete Incaviglia would hit a HR more or less every time at bat in a company softball game.
   26. Boots Day Posted: September 06, 2006 at 05:02 PM (#2169270)
(What did top comp Marc Hill do to get skipped?)

More Fun Facts About Bad Catchers: Marc Hill's nickname was "Booter." No, I don't know why, but I could make a guess.
   27. SouthSideRyan Posted: September 06, 2006 at 05:15 PM (#2169284)
For some reason I'm still laughing at #5.
   28. Elvis Posted: September 06, 2006 at 05:33 PM (#2169309)
Duffy Dyer was my favorite player as a kid. I think my childhood ended when they traded him for Gene Clines.
   29. depletion Posted: September 06, 2006 at 05:48 PM (#2169331)
Duffy Dyer hit a home run in the first Montreal Expos game, a 10-9 victory over the Mets. I believe JC Martin replaced him as #2 catcher by the end of the year, as Martin was involved in the interesting play with Richert of the Orioles in the World Series.
   30. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 06, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#2169438)
First of all, never heard of Duffy Dyer? I know I'm in a certain population niche (Mets' fan, came of age in the late 60s) when to me, Duffy Dyer is about as famous as Katie Couric. I just kind of assume everyone knows who Duffy Dyer is.

That's OK, in 20 years I'll be saying "Really? You've never heard of Desi Relaford?"
   31. Sandlapper Spike Posted: September 06, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2169453)
Mike Caldwell? Good gravy. Mike was the antithesis of what one would want in a coach when he was a player.
He was also a college head coach for a while in the late 1980s-early 1990s, at Campbell.

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