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Friday, November 01, 2019

Gerrit Cole wears Boras Corp. hat after Astros’ World Series loss, tweets message to Houston fans

The Houston Astros 2019 season had not been over for long when impending free agent Gerrit Cole started removing himself from any future Houston narrative. The Astros, baseball’s best team during the regular season, came up short in their quest for a second World Series title in three seasons as they lost Game 7 of the Fall Classic to the Nationals on Wednesday night.

Cole, who did not appear in Game 7, watched the Nats celebrate their franchise’s first ever World Series win on Houston’s turf and then had to speak to the media. His postgame outfit did not include any Astros gear. Instead, the flame-throwing righty (who is represented by agent Scott Boras) donned a hat with a logo of Boras Corp.

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The accessory said a lot.

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Given Houston’s already high payroll, it always seemed unlikely Cole would return to the Astros once he hit free agency. That seemed more evident by his post-Game 7 fashion statement, and by a written statement he tweeted out Thursday. Cole sent a message, thanking Astros fans and the organization.

Wait- when did Scott Boras start distributing hats?

 

QLE Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:36 AM | 81 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:12 AM (#5897652)
For 10% of your annual salary, you too can get a free Boras Corp hat.
   2. Bug Selig Posted: November 01, 2019 at 06:55 AM (#5897659)
Pretty sure Scott Boras won't blink his eyes for 10% of my salary.
   3. Bote Man Posted: November 01, 2019 at 08:53 AM (#5897666)
Who knew there really was such a thing as a Boras Corp. hat?? Huh.
   4. bunyon Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5897669)
Bote, I'm with you. I thought it was a metaphor.

On the one hand, it's a business and Cole should absolutely be looking to get paid.

On the other, what a dick.
   5. The_Ex Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:09 AM (#5897670)
Maybe Cole was showing his support for the media members attacked by the organization, and the other dodgy things the Astros have done, and wanted to immediately distance himself from the org.

Or maybe he is a dick.
   6. Blastin Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5897671)
Maybe Cole was showing his support for the media members attacked by the organization, and the other dodgy things the Astros have done, and wanted to immediately distance himself from the org.

Or maybe he is a dick.


porque no los dos?
   7. bunyon Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5897672)
If he wanted to show support, that's cool. The way to do that would be to say so explicitly (and when it happened). Doing this just after the end of the series comes off as dickishness.

Like I say, I don't blame any player for leaving a team or getting as much money as they can. I don't take any joy in seeing the Nats win the first year after Harper because they lowballed him and he made a good decision.

Gerritt Cole doesn't owe the Houston Astros anything. But he owes his teammates a lot. Maybe they're cool with it. No one knows it's a business more than them. However, I'd be pissed if that was the immediate reaction of my teammate to losing game 7.
   8. flournoy Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5897673)
The player/agent relationship has always seemed weird to me. Agents work for the players, not the other way around. And yet you'll hear language about how an agent "won't let" a player sign a certain contract, etc. Wearing a hat with your employee's logo on it is strange.
   9. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:24 AM (#5897677)
flournoy,

Agreed to a degree, yet how many people drive around in a car with the dealer's logo on it?
   10. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:32 AM (#5897679)
It's a silly thing to do but I'll give two caveats;

1. I'm a bit sympathetic to someone who has just lost a game like that. Emotions are raw and the dude clearly wanted to pitch. Heat of the moment comments/actions are often regrettable.

2. Does he normally wear his Astro cap post game? Guys change clothes after a game and maybe he just grabbed this hat that Boras gave him. Granted his "I'm unemployed" comment suggests this was not just a random act. I'm a bit less of a believer of this theory.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:34 AM (#5897680)
Agreed to a degree, yet how many people drive around in a car with the dealer's logo on it?


Sure, but only because the dealer put it there. I don't think too many car owners are affixing license plate holders for Tom Randolph Chevrolet themselves.

They do pay for the privilege of wearing T-shirts with brand names on them, however.
   12. flournoy Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5897684)
Agreed to a degree, yet how many people drive around in a car with the dealer's logo on it?


Valid point, but like SoSH said, the buyer wasn't the one who put the logo on it.

I tend to remove tags and logos from clothes that I wear when possible. If XYZ clothing company wants me to advertise for them, they can pay me, otherwise no thank you.
   13. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5897685)
My old boss paid extra when he got new windows in his house to have the "Andersen" logo removed.
   14. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5897686)
Kind of a dick.

Asked by a team official to meet with reporters after their 6-2 loss to the Washington Nationals on Wednesday, Cole, who was wearing a Boras Corp. hat, said, "I'm not employed by the team." However, after agreeing to interviews, he started out with, "I guess as a representative of myself ..."

   15. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5897687)
He could have declined to speak with reporters (even absent a reason) without ruffling any feathers given that he didn't actually appear in the game.

Not that it matters materially, but wasn't he still technically employed by the team? Or does the contract end the instant the last out is recorded?
   16. The Duke Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5897691)
Is he in fact unemployed ? How does salary get paid in MLB? I thought they took annual salary and divided by 12. Do they only pay February through October? I would have thought he’s getting paychecks from the Astros at least through December and maybe through February.
   17. Red Voodooin Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5897694)
I'm a bit sympathetic to someone who has just lost a game like that. Emotions are raw and the dude clearly wanted to pitch.


Did he though?
   18. spycake Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5897695)
Do they only pay February through October?


I think it's actually only opening day through game 162 -- spring training and the postseason are unpaid (in terms of salary -- the players still get meal money, benefits, etc.).
   19. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5897698)
17 - What makes you think he didn't want to pitch? He warmed up during the game and after the game was acting like someone who wanted to be in there.
   20. bunyon Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5897699)
But surely they're contractually obligated to appear in the playoffs? Spring training may be a different matter, I suppose.

It would be funny if the contract ran, say, through the end of October and the Astros, being the fine upstanding folks they are in the front office, declared that he had deserted the team and put him on the restricted list. Let it get nasty.

Seriously, I think this was a dick move. But that does not mean I believe Cole to be a dick. Lots of good people do jerky things, especially in this type of moment. I'm criticizing but I'm not declaring him a terrible, awful person. But it's worse than carrying your bat to first.
   21. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5897701)
I think it's actually only opening day through game 162 -- spring training and the postseason are unpaid (in terms of salary -- the players still get meal money, benefits, etc.).


I have a recollection (possibly incorrect) that this was an issue in 1995. That part of the reason the players were struggling to get together was that some players were paid during the season only and others were paid over 12 months and those 12 month players were losing money since they stopped getting paid in August while the in-season players had received the majority of their paychecks.
   22. bunyon Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5897703)
17,19 - Yeah, I'm guessing he was ticked he didn't get in. I mean, people on this board seemed upset he didn't get in. It has to be millions of orders of magnitude worse for him (and probably for all the other relievers who didn't get in). I'm sure losing game 7 is one of the sickest feelings a person can have that isn't life/death or food/no food.
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5897705)
My old boss paid extra when he got new windows in his house to have the "Andersen" logo removed.

Why didn't he just light the money on fire?
   24. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5897707)
Wearing a hat with your employee's logo on it is strange.


Makes sense to me.

Cole and the Astros are natural antagonists, combatants at the negotiation table. But at the same table, Boras and Cole have their interests more or less aligned.

The Astros also don't care about Cole's longterm outlook beyond his contract with the team. Boras does. They don't care about his marketing and other income streams. Boras does. I get why he views Boras as a partner more than an employee.
   25. spycake Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5897711)
I have a recollection (possibly incorrect) that this was an issue in 1995. That part of the reason the players were struggling to get together was that some players were paid during the season only and others were paid over 12 months and those 12 month players were losing money since they stopped getting paid in August while the in-season players had received the majority of their paychecks.


Not sure about 1995, but it's possible some choose to get paid on a 12-month schedule -- but that would be like deferred money (just a very short term deferral).

So even if Cole got a paycheck from the Astros this December, he wouldn't necessarily be their employee anymore -- it would be for services rendered between April and September.
   26. Sunday silence Posted: November 01, 2019 at 10:54 AM (#5897713)

Gerritt Cole doesn't owe the Houston Astros anything. But he owes his teammates a lot.


Like what does he owe them in terms of a post game interview? Exactly what? To show up and answer some questions? Does he owe them to wear the uni? Seriously what do you think he owes them?

I'd be pissed if that was the immediate reaction of my teammate to losing game 7.


Different players could look at that entirely differently. IF Cole is out there promoting his free agency he could be helping others, or at least those lucky enuf to become free agents. NOt everyone or even most will see it your way.
   27. spycake Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:05 AM (#5897719)
17 - What makes you think he didn't want to pitch? He warmed up during the game and after the game was acting like someone who wanted to be in there.


There is a chance that Cole helped set the parameters of his possible entry into game 7 -- namely, if he only wanted to come in at the beginning of an inning. But I don't think he would have said he only wanted to pitch with a lead or close out a win, though, so it still doesn't make much sense that he didn't pitch the 8th and especially the 9th.
   28. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5897721)
There is a chance that Cole helped set the parameters of his possible entry into game 7 -- namely, if he only wanted to come in at the beginning of an inning. But I don't think he would have said he only wanted to pitch with a lead or close out a win, though, so it still doesn't make much sense that he didn't pitch the 8th and especially the 9th.


That was my take too. I don't like using starters as relievers in the middle of an inning. But if I was Hinch I'd have had him start the 8th.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:10 AM (#5897723)
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Gerrit Cole and AJ Hinch had agreed on some rules for how he would be used in Game 7. He wasn’t coming in in the middle of the inning and wasn’t pitching if they didn’t have the lead.

Cole warmed up on his own earlier in the game.
   30. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5897725)
We all get that players need to look out for their own long-term interests. But baseball fandom is based on rooting for a team rather than the individual. When a player swaps out a team hat for his freakin' agent's hat, right after the World Series, he's inserting a cold message about his own interests and distancing himself from the team. Maybe pick some other time over the next five months to make that message.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5897726)
Gerrit Cole and AJ Hinch had agreed on some rules for how he would be used in Game 7. He wasn’t coming in in the middle of the inning and wasn’t pitching if they didn’t have the lead.


Hinch is an idiot then. You pitch when you're needed.
   32. Red Voodooin Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5897727)
17,19 - Yeah, I'm guessing he was ticked he didn't get in. I mean, people on this board seemed upset he didn't get in. It has to be millions of orders of magnitude worse for him (and probably for all the other relievers who didn't get in). I'm sure losing game 7 is one of the sickest feelings a person can have that isn't life/death or food/no food.


Basically what #27 said. I haven't heard anything but speculation, but it's seems possible that Cole and his people had some influence over how he was to be used. Now that I think about it, the fact that he was up in the pen in the 5th and 6th innings doesn't really jibe with Hinch's 'he was only going to pitch if we were ahead late in the game' explanation after the game anyway. Maybe that was just him getting his warm up tosses in an 90 minutes or so before he expected to go to the mound?
   33. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5897731)
He wasn’t coming in in the middle of the inning and wasn’t pitching if they didn’t have the lead.
First rule sounds reasonable. The second one sounds insane for a game 7. What am I missing? If he's good enough to protect a slim late lead in game-#######-seven of the world series, he should be used to maintain a slim late deficit.

If it's so important to leave him as an option for 2-4 innings of extra-innings duty, then he shouldn't be pitching a 1-inning set-up role even if they are ahead.
   34. JJ1986 Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5897736)
I spent like $12 on plain license plate frames and fifteen minutes time because the dealer who sold us our last car were huge ########.
   35. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: November 01, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5897742)
My old boss paid extra when he got new windows in his house to have the "Andersen" logo removed.


Did he pay the installers $10 extra to remove the decals?

Exactly what? To show up and answer some questions? Does he owe them to wear the uni? Seriously what do you think he owes them?


Not the OP, but Cole saying that he wasn't a part of the team would rub me the wrong way. Granted, Cole's tweet and extended comments do make a point of thanking the team and fans.
   36. pikepredator Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5897747)
He wasn’t coming in in the middle of the inning and wasn’t pitching if they didn’t have the lead.


First rule sounds reasonable. The second one sounds insane for a game 7. What am I missing? If he's good enough to protect a slim late lead in game-#######-seven of the world series, he should be used to maintain a slim late deficit.


Makes it sound like he wasn't going to appear in extra innings, no matter what, which obviously makes no sense. I can't imagine why they wouldn't bring him in to keep things locked down in inning 8/9/etc.

His behavior is so pointedly clear, it makes me wonder if there's more to this story.
   37. spycake Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5897748)
If it's so important to leave him as an option for 2-4 innings of extra-innings duty, then he shouldn't be pitching a 1-inning set-up role even if they are ahead.


Yeah. Assuming they would be willing to waive the "must have the lead" rule in case of extra innings, they should probably be willing to waive it for a 1-run deficit in the 8th or 2-run deficit in the ninth, in the hopes of actually *getting* to extra innings. Which sort of highlights how absurd the rule is in the first place.
   38. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5897751)
If it's so important to leave him as an option for 2-4 innings of extra-innings duty, then he shouldn't be pitching a 1-inning set-up role even if they are ahead.

Yeah. Assuming they would be willing to waive the "must have the lead" rule in case of extra innings, they should probably be willing to waive it for a 1-run deficit in the 8th or 2-run deficit in the ninth, in the hopes of actually *getting* to extra innings. Which sort of highlights how absurd the rule is in the first place.
Right, and if they wanted to avoid the situation of using him for 1 inning only and then regretting not having him for multiple innings later on, he could still start the 9th inning. If he started that inning, either they lose/win in the 9th and obviously you don't care if any pitchers are left, or they tie it and he gets to pitch multiple innings.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5897753)
It almost seems like letting Scott Boras have a say in bullpen strategy for Game 7 of the World Series is a bad idea that leads to absurd results.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5897758)
That's exactly it. Cole closing a WS win boosts his brand. Cole pitching with the team behind? That's just an injury risk with little upside.
   41. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5897763)
Why would Hinch let Cole have any say at all on when he's used? Maybe in the regular season in the interest of clubhouse harmony, but not the last game of the world series. What's Cole going to do? Refuse to pitch? Pout?
   42. spycake Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5897767)
Why would Hinch let Cole have any say at all on when he's used? Maybe in the regular season in the interest of clubhouse harmony, but not the last game of the world series. What's Cole going to do? Refuse to pitch? Pout?


I can see an honest dialogue being productive -- how much time do you need to get ready, are you okay pitching out of the stretch right away, etc. And maybe starting a clean inning is part of that. But the lead requirement? Not so much.
   43. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5897770)
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5897753)
It almost seems like letting Scott Boras have a say in bullpen strategy for Game 7 of the World Series is a bad idea that leads to absurd results.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5897758)
That's exactly it. Cole closing a WS win boosts his brand. Cole pitching with the team behind? That's just an injury risk with little upside.
Why do we think Boras had any say?
   44. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5897782)
Why would Hinch let Cole have any say at all on when he's used? Maybe in the regular season in the interest of clubhouse harmony, but not the last game of the world series. What's Cole going to do? Refuse to pitch? Pout?
I can see an honest dialogue being productive -- how much time do you need to get ready, are you okay pitching out of the stretch right away, etc. And maybe starting a clean inning is part of that. But the lead requirement? Not so much.
It was smart to give him some expectations/conditions in advance. Cole has literally never pitched in relief as a professional. As far as I can tell, the only time as an adult he pitched in relief was one game as a freshman in college.

I suspect the lead requirement was the manager's idea. Managers tend to love saving good relievers for leads.
   45. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5897787)
Why do we think Boras had any say?


Because Cole flamboyantly declared to all the world that he has more loyalty to his agent than to his team.
   46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5897788)
I suspect the lead requirement was the manager's idea. Managers tend to love saving good relievers for leads.

Which is a sure fire way to avoid having one.
   47. eric Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5897789)
Ironically, being so business-minded and me-first might end up costing Cole in FA. Teams will see him as less of a team player, or at least less able to act like one. Other players might be resentful of a guy who is disowning his team minutes after G7 of the WS just ended. It's not hard to extrapolate from these actions what a guy like that might add to (or subtract from) a clubhouse for years to come.

If any FO-types still care about chemistry, that might dock their offers to him some. Granted, that'll amount to a few drops in the ocean, but I do think Cole hurt his brand.
   48. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5897796)
Why do we think Boras had any say?
Because Cole flamboyantly declared to all the world that he has more loyalty to his agent than to his team.
That doesn't really answer the question.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5897798)
Ironically, being so business-minded and me-first might end up costing Cole in FA. Teams will see him as less of a team player, or at least less able to act like one. Other players might be resentful of a guy who is disowning his team minutes after G7 of the WS just ended. It's not hard to extrapolate from these actions what a guy like that might add to (or subtract from) a clubhouse for years to come.

If any FO-types still care about chemistry, that might dock their offers to him some. Granted, that'll amount to a few drops in the ocean, but I do think Cole hurt his brand.


Didn't Mike Mussina show near-open contempt for the stupidity of most of his teammates? Didn't seem to prevent him from being wanted.
   50. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5897799)
That doesn't really answer the question.

I think it's reasonable to suggest that Cole may have consulted with his team before he set the rules for his own use in game 7.
   51. Nasty Nate Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5897801)
I think it's reasonable to suggest that Cole may have consulted with his team before he set the rules for his own use in game 7.
I assume you mean agent instead of team?

We don't know that Cole set the rules for his own use. The reports say him and Hinch agreed on a plan.
   52. The Good Face Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5897808)
Didn't Mike Mussina show near-open contempt for the stupidity of most of his teammates? Didn't seem to prevent him from being wanted.


Mussina mostly showed contempt for the stupidity of the media. He wasn't a guy to suffer fools lightly in general, but he seemed to know and understand that baseball has a rich tradition of stupidity, and was willing to make allowances for teammates. Reporters who asked him stupid questions on the other hand...

Because Cole flamboyantly declared to all the world that he has more loyalty to his agent than to his team.


He probably should have more loyalty to his agent than his team, although perhaps it's unwise to advertise the fact. As others pointed out, his interests and Boras' interests are aligned, and as his agent Boras has a fiduciary duty towards him. The team is simply renting out his labor.
   53. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5897809)
I assume you mean agent instead of team?

Well, I was referring to Boras and Co, but I used the word "team" intentionally, so as to highlight the apparent distance between Cole and the Astros. Ask Cole what team he belongs to, he'll tell you.

It's true, we know none of these things for certain, not in the slightest. But I think our speculation is fair.
   54. Red Voodooin Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5897815)
We don't know that Cole set the rules for his own use. The reports say him and Hinch agreed on a plan.


That plan doesn't make a lot of sense without some other factor such as parameters set by Cole and his people.
   55. Howie Menckel Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5897817)
Mussina mostly showed contempt for the stupidity of the media.

not exactly. I witnessed him firsthand looking baffled by some of the more cliched questions he would get - then quickly process a way to answer same. I personally didn't see contempt, and frankly I could sympathize with him.

he's a Stanford guy, and stuck out like a sore thumb in clubhouses with more knuckle-draggers than intellectuals.

   56. The Good Face Posted: November 01, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5897821)
not exactly. I witnessed him firsthand looking baffled by some of the more cliched questions he would get - then quickly process a way to answer same. I personally didn't see contempt, and frankly I could sympathize with him.


I usually saw that as his, "I can't believe you're asking me such a stupid question. How can I answer this without directly calling you a moron?" face. It was a look of pained disbelief.

he's a Stanford guy, and stuck out like a sore thumb in clubhouses with more knuckle-draggers than intellectuals.


Yeah, he was almost certainly the smartest guy on every team he played for.
   57. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5897840)
Ironically, being so business-minded and me-first might end up costing Cole in FA. Teams will see him as less of a team player, or at least less able to act like one. Other players might be resentful of a guy who is disowning his team minutes after G7 of the WS just ended. It's not hard to extrapolate from these actions what a guy like that might add to (or subtract from) a clubhouse for years to come.
Sounds like a perfect target for the team who famously couldn't care less about intangibles or character issues...you heard it here first: Cole to the Astros!
   58. Zonk Begs Your Pardon, Mr Blago Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5897843)
I vaguely recall (an extremely mild that doesn't even rise to the level of) a kerfuffle when 2016 Cub free-agent-to-be Travis Wood didn't wear his uniform - or any Cubs gear at all - to the parade...

Of course Travis Wood isn't Gerrit Cole and nobody cared that Wood was moving on...
   59. eric Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5897844)
Didn't Mike Mussina show near-open contempt for the stupidity of most of his teammates? Didn't seem to prevent him from being wanted.


My point was not that Cole would "not be wanted" but it may damper his offers some. Instead of X teams driving his price up to $Y, he might have X-1 teams driving his price up to $Y-10MM.

If I'm a GM and I have the option of signing a guy, then just how high I'm willing to go may very well depend on what sort of clubhouse presence and teammate the guy is going to be. Again, it likely amounts to drops in the ocean, but I do think he's cost himself a little bit.
   60. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5897848)
He could have declined to speak with reporters (even absent a reason) without ruffling any feathers given that he didn't actually appear in the game.
Cole not appearing in the game was a big part of the storyline. If he refused to meet with the media after the game it would have generated even more intense speculation about whether he was miffed about not being used, or had not wanted to pitch in relief on short rest.
   61. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5897850)
As others pointed out, his interests and Boras' interests are aligned, and as his agent Boras has a fiduciary duty towards him. The team is simply renting out his labor.


Granted. But there are certain respectable fictions that you're supposed to maintain.
   62. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5897851)
Who knew there really was such a thing as a Boras Corp. hat?
Unless you know what the Boras Corporation logo is, the hat doesn’t really mean anything. It’s not like it has Scott’s GM Hot Line phone number prominently displayed. Maybe that comes later? Or perhaps a “7/$280M” cap logo?
   63. Blastin Posted: November 01, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5897854)
he's a Stanford guy, and stuck out like a sore thumb in clubhouses with more knuckle-draggers than intellectuals.


It would probably be... a challenge for some. But, like snapper said, he did just fine. If only he had been one year earlier or later to get a ring.
   64. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 01, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5897863)
I vaguely recall (an extremely mild that doesn't even rise to the level of) a kerfuffle when 2016 Cub free-agent-to-be Travis Wood didn't wear his uniform - or any Cubs gear at all - to the parade...
He was wearing camo IIRC. Surprised anyone even noticed he was there. It must not have worked.
   65. Lassus Posted: November 01, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5897864)
I dunno. Money's important, fair compensation's important, but there's really no way to spin this other than Cole being a dick. I know that works for a lot of people either doing or watching, but it's still being a dick.
   66. bunyon Posted: November 01, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5897872)
Exactly what? To show up and answer some questions? Does he owe them to wear the uni? Seriously what do you think he owes them?


Not the OP, but Cole saying that he wasn't a part of the team would rub me the wrong way. Granted, Cole's tweet and extended comments do make a point of thanking the team and fans.


I'm the one who said Cole owed his teammates and the response nails what is owed. He owes his teammates to act like he's part of the team. Technically, maybe he was no longer employed by the Astros but in the locker room after that loss, everyone is still part of that team. To move on that quickly would piss me off.

Does that matter? Not if Cole doesn't care and it looks like he doesn't. But that's just it: People who don't care about the people they work with and are around on a daily basis are dicks.

As I said above, it looks like it was a poor reaction to a gutpunch of a loss. I'm not at all certain I wouldn't react in a dickish way in such a situation.


As to how it affects his free agency, I don't see it. The calculus remains the same: Teams will pay as little as they can get away with paying. It's not like "not being a dick" wins these guys any more money.


I just...the thought I have is that I played on teams that suffered devastating losses. I still love those guys even though, really, I have almost nothing else in common with them. The idea that even now, three decades later, I would just be like, eh, no big deal, it's all about me, rankles. The thought of doing it sitting in the locker room bewilders me. I get that it's a business to Cole and wasn't to me. And that he's a grown man and I was a teenager. I just have trouble relating to it. I relate to the vacant stares of his teammates and the joy from the Nationals. Cole's reaction I don't get.

I don't think it makes him a terrible guy. He's not Osuna or Chapman. But, also as I said, it's worse than a bat flip or staring at the pitcher after a ball.
   67. The Good Face Posted: November 01, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5897921)
Teams will pay as little as they can get away with paying. It's not like "not being a dick" wins these guys any more money.


Pretty much. Being a really swell guy can help players hang on for a year or two past the point where most players would be out of the league (Jeff Francouer says Hi!), but there's no evidence that it makes already desirable players more money in FA.
   68. manchestermets Posted: November 01, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5897941)
If I'm a GM and I have the option of signing a guy, then just how high I'm willing to go may very well depend on what sort of clubhouse presence and teammate the guy is going to be.


If you're a GM, you probably determine what sort of clubhouse presence he's going to be from from the network of baseball contacts you've built up rather than basing it on a hat worn in one interview. I doubt this would move the needle on that.
   69. eric Posted: November 01, 2019 at 06:23 PM (#5897947)
I really wasn't expecting what I said to become all that controversial...

Teams will pay as little as they can get away with paying. It's not like "not being a dick" wins these guys any more money.


How little they can pay is market determined. If a GM on the fence at a given number decides a me-first guy isn't worth going another $5MM higher (over the life of the contract, mind you) then the market is that much lower.

Being a really swell guy can help players hang on for a year or two past the point where most players would be out of the league (Jeff Francouer says Hi!), but there's no evidence that it makes already desirable players more money in FA.


But someone hanging on for a year or two is taking a spot and making more money than "the other guy." I think that the effect is more pronounced when the difference it makes is between someone having a roster spot and not having a roster spot. When the difference is between a, say, $270MM contract and a $280MM contract, who's even going to notice?

If you're a GM, you probably determine what sort of clubhouse presence he's going to be from from the network of baseball contacts you've built up rather than basing it on a hat worn in one interview. I doubt this would move the needle on that.


You don't take into consideration that a guy disavowed his team minutes after the world series ended?

There's being a redass, being a dick, etc, but coming out as me-first, money-first, so conclusively has to impact how people interpret him.
   70. manchestermets Posted: November 01, 2019 at 06:27 PM (#5897951)
I just assume that any team considering making a run at him already has a dossier an inch thick.
   71. Walt Davis Posted: November 01, 2019 at 07:26 PM (#5897960)
On contracts, etc. ... I'm pretty sure they expire the day after the last day of the playoffs or Nov 1 or similar. Given how long the games take, etc. if it was after midnight, he may technically have no longer been an Astros' employee. Unless the Boras cap is something he regularly wears, he was clearly sending some sort of message to somebody although that might have been his future employers moreso than the Astros much less his teammates. As to this affecting his future value because it makes him appear as a non-team player ... he's a Boras client, every team already knows this is going to be a strictly monetary relationship.
   72. Sit down, Sleepy has lots of stats Posted: November 01, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5897968)
From the CBA:
A Player eligible to become a free agent under paragraph (1) shall become a free agent as of 9 A.M. Eastern Time on the day following the day that the last game of the World Series had started
so he was technically still an employee.
   73. JMD Posted: November 01, 2019 at 09:58 PM (#5897982)
So if Game 7 starts and is suspended due to weather, a free agent would be free before it restarted.
   74. Jack Sommers Posted: November 03, 2019 at 12:57 AM (#5898274)
Randy Johnson came on in relief in the 8th in a game 7 the DBacks were losing. It energized the Stadium and energized his team, and they did the impossible, coming back on the best closer of all time.

Leaving Cole in the pen was a massive mistake.
   75. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:03 AM (#5898275)
It energized the Stadium and energized his team
Not to be that nerd, but this is nothing but made-up post hoc narrative (even if I agree with your conclusion).
   76. Howie Menckel Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:16 AM (#5898278)
Leaving Cole in the pen was a massive mistake.

see Post 29. Cole/Boras gave Hinch only one option, as it turns out - replace Greinke on a 1-hitter and a 2-0 lead to start the 7th. one Greinke started the next inning, Hinch's hands were tied.
   77. Lassus Posted: November 03, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5898323)
It's not like "not being a dick" wins these guys any more money.

Pretty much.
I don't disagree; but it does sound a little bit like you guys think not being a dick loses them money.
   78. The Good Face Posted: November 04, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5898586)
I don't disagree; but it does sound a little bit like you guys think not being a dick loses them money.


Nah. I don't think it really moves the needle either way for talented players who are in demand. If you're a borderline guy, then yeah, being a dick can cost you money and being a great guy can make you some. But we're usually talking about relatively small amounts of money here by ML standards, a million or two for guys at the very end of their career.

But Gerrit Cole is going to get a huge pile of money no matter what.
   79. bunyon Posted: November 04, 2019 at 05:55 PM (#5898589)
Good Face sums up my feelings. No one is paying Cole more because he's a stand up guy. Nor will they short change him if he's a dick. Teams need elite starting pitching and he'll make a pile of money. At the same time, they'll pay as little as they think the market will allow.

A "good guy" can hang on a bit at the end of a career but I think that isn't an explicit calculation. GMs aren't paying players simply because they think they're good guys. They talk themselves into thinking the player is better than he is. "Intangibles".
   80. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 04, 2019 at 05:56 PM (#5898590)
Cole, and 9 others received Qualifying Offers today:
Jose Abreu, 1B, White Sox
Madison Bumgarner, SP, Giants
Gerrit Cole, SP, Astros
Josh Donaldson, 3B, Braves
Jake Odorizzi, SP, Twins
Marcell Ozuna, OF, Cardinals
Anthony Rendon, 3B, Nationals
Will Smith, RP, Giants
Stephen Strasburg, SP, Nationals
Zack Wheeler, SP, Mets
   81. DCA Posted: November 04, 2019 at 06:15 PM (#5898593)
Fresh Prince the closer will take the offer.

Odorizzi and Abreu probably should, unless they don't like their current situation.

The rest should be able to easily do better on the market.

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