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Giants’ all-Alou outfield made history 60 years ago. It almost didn’t happen

Easily, however, we wouldn’t be in position today to celebrate that historic feat. Easily, we could have been deprived of knowing about the Alou family royalty. Easily, none of the brothers could have played a single inning in the majors.

“It almost didn’t happen, the three brothers playing together,” Felipe Alou, 88, told the Chronicle this week. “I really wanted to go back home, back to the university that I was attending. I had a ticket back to the Dominican. If I went home that day in 1956, I wasn’t going to return.”

Alou seriously considered quitting baseball in his first professional season in the New York Giants’ farm system because of extreme racism surrounding his first farm team in Lake Charles, La., where he spent a month of the 1956 season in the Class C Evangeline League and appeared in only five games, getting nine at-bats.

Alou wasn’t allowed to play more because of the color of his skin. He couldn’t go to restaurants with teammates. For games at Baton Rouge, he and two African American teammates couldn’t even enter the clubhouse and had to sit in the bleachers with the Black fans. The language barrier was an issue for Felipe, too.

“First time I went on the field, beer bottles were thrown from the stands,” Alou said. “We were three Giants farmhands waiting for a referendum to let us play. The team itself was nice to me, nice people. But we had to get the hell out of that league.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 15, 2023 at 12:25 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: felipe alou, jesus alou, matty alou

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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 15, 2023 at 01:47 PM (#6141449)
Ah, the Alou brothers: Felipe, Matty, Jesus, and Boog Powell.
   2. A triple short of the cycle Posted: September 15, 2023 at 01:52 PM (#6141451)
Pretty much everything almost didn't happen.
   3. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 15, 2023 at 03:03 PM (#6141460)
can we make a HoF case for Felipe as a combined manager/player?
   4. Mefisto Posted: September 15, 2023 at 05:50 PM (#6141487)
He had 42 WAR as a player, which is very good, and 5 of those seasons were over 5 WAR with a high of 6.5. His first 5 years managing the Expos, he finished first or second 4 times. After that the Expos self-destructed but that wasn't his fault. With the Giants he finished first, second, third, third. The 2 third place finishes came after Bonds got driven out of baseball so it's hard to blame Alou. In the 7 seasons his team was competitive, he did very well. That's probably too short to make up the difference for the HoF, but it probably puts him in the Hall of Very Good.
   5. Mefisto Posted: September 15, 2023 at 06:26 PM (#6141490)
The real reason this almost didn't happen is that in order to get the 3 together in the OF, the Giants had to sit Willie Mays.
   6. jobu Posted: September 15, 2023 at 07:19 PM (#6141494)
Jesus Alou played parts of 15 seasons (4345 AB) and accumulated 0.8 BWAR. I don't have the BREF skills to do this, but I'd be interested in who had more ABs and finished at -1 < WAR < 1.

   7. Shredder Posted: September 15, 2023 at 11:37 PM (#6141516)
THe baseball version of the Stastny brothers. Peter, Anton, and Marian, not Paul and Yan.
   8. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: September 16, 2023 at 08:02 AM (#6141527)
Pretty much everything almost didn't happen.

In fact, this comment I'm making now almost didn't happen. And if it hadn't, well, God help us, because...oh, no! I've said too much already!

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   9. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 16, 2023 at 11:53 AM (#6141534)
Jesus Alou played parts of 15 seasons (4345 AB) and accumulated 0.8 BWAR.


You don't need to swear, mediocre players get lots of AB all the time.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: September 16, 2023 at 03:21 PM (#6141546)
Chris Gomez got 5148 PA with career WAR of -1.4. I'm sure he's far from the worst.

By bWAR he didn't have an above-replacement season until he was 2100 PA in at -4.9 WAR. At no point in his career was he above replacement (i.e. rolling career bWAR). Granted this is because TZ seems to consider him one of the worst SS to ever put on a glove. (-33 in one season?)
   11. sanny manguillen Posted: September 16, 2023 at 05:41 PM (#6141560)
Jesus Alou played parts of 15 seasons (4345 AB) and accumulated 0.8 BWAR.


Willie Davis exceeded 0.8 bWAR in 17 different seasons. The Hall of Fame bypassed him and put Alou on the ballot.
   12. baxter Posted: September 16, 2023 at 05:49 PM (#6141561)
11. 3 Dog; at least bb reference has his nickname.
   13. kubiwan Posted: September 16, 2023 at 05:54 PM (#6141563)
TZ seems to consider him one of the worst SS to ever put on a glove. (-33 in one season?)


At that level, I begin to wonder if the problem was that he wasn't, in fact, wearing a glove....
   14. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: September 17, 2023 at 12:31 AM (#6141580)
I’ll be honest, I have not one memory of Chris Gomez wearing a glove.
   15. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: September 17, 2023 at 07:20 AM (#6141586)
TZ seems to consider (Chris Gomez) one of the worst SS to ever put on a glove. (-33 in [1997]?)


Especially since both his fielding average (.978 vs .973) and his Range Factor/9 innings (4.63 vs 4.58) were above league average. How exactly did they come to -33 runs?
   16. Baldrick Posted: September 17, 2023 at 08:20 AM (#6141588)
I would love to see one of those progressive lists of every player in ML history for whom there is no one with more plate appearances and a lower WAR. Presumably Jeter is on there. Omar Vizquel and Harold Baines probably.
   17. Mefisto Posted: September 17, 2023 at 08:24 AM (#6141589)
Johnnie Lemaster has to be there: 3500 PAs, -4.9 WAR.
   18. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2023 at 01:58 PM (#6141604)
I'm going to go with Mario Mendoza. They named baseball futility for him. You have to be bad to get recognized

Career OPS+ of 41.
   19. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2023 at 02:00 PM (#6141605)
And I'd just like to point out that while he's no Steve Blass, Wainwright is compiling a single season for the ages this year.
   20. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2023 at 02:10 PM (#6141606)
I also think Dante Bichette deserves a mention. He has some hall worthy stats. 1900+ hits, 275 HRs. Career OPS+ of 107 and batting average of .299.

6000 at bats and 1700+ games.

5.6 bWAR.

   21. Jaack Posted: September 17, 2023 at 02:32 PM (#6141608)
I would love to see one of those progressive lists of every player in ML history for whom there is no one with more plate appearances and a lower WAR. Presumably Jeter is on there. Omar Vizquel and Harold Baines probably.


Using fWAR, I believe the list is:

Pete Rose 80.2
Eddie Murray 72.0
Dave Winfield 59.9
Omar Vizquel 42.5
Harold Baines 38.5
Bill Buckner 18.8
Doc Cramer 9.9
Don Kessinger 7.9
Alfredo Griffin -1.0
Tommy Dowd -3.1
Neifi Perez -3.3
Jerry Morales -3.9
Tommy Thevenow -5.6
Doug Flynn -8.4
Ryan Doumit -8.6
Bill Bergen -16.2

Harold Baines is the only thing keeping Steve Finley making this list, who is one of the sneakiest compilers I can think of.
   22. Mefisto Posted: September 17, 2023 at 02:34 PM (#6141609)
@16: Rose makes that list. Rickey! is next (Yaz, Rose). Then comes Cobb (Rose, Yaz, Aaron, Rickey). Stopping now.

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