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Friday, December 13, 2019

Giants change bullpen location, move fences in at Oracle Park

The Giants announced on Thursday that some improvements have been made to their stadium, Oracle Park, for the 2020 season. New bullpens will be located behind the center field wall. They used to be in foul territory, which was a safety risk for players, particularly with the bullpen mounds when fielders attempted to catch foul balls.

The outfield fences are also being moved in. The left-center field fence is now 399 feet from home plate, in from 404 feet. Straightaway center field is now 391 feet, eight feet shorter than it was previously. Triples Alley is now 415 feet, in from 421. Additionally, the height of the center field fence has been reduced from eight feet to seven.

Can’t exactly say that this is a good idea- recently, the players likely to benefit from moving in the fences have all been on the other team….

 

QLE Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:46 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: china basin, fences, giants, phone company park

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   1. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5908507)
391' to straight center is short.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5908509)
The bullpens squeezed into that tiny sliver of foul territory always looked ridiculous.
   3. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: December 13, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5908513)
MOOR HOMERZ.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5908515)
Bah. I was hoping for floating bullpens.
   5. Bote Man Posted: December 13, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5908528)
Is there any truth to the rumor that the designers just plain forgot to include the bullpens in the original design for SBC Park? So they just plopped them in foul territory because there was nowhere else to put them? I find that impossible to believe, given the number of eyeballs that have to sign off on construction plans.

Also, I'm surprised they're not honoring Barry Bonds by making the LF wall 325 feet from home plate.
   6. Hank Gillette Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:09 PM (#5908571)
Triples Alley is now 415 feet, in from 421.


Doesn’t shortening an area called “Triples Alley” make triples less likely?
   7. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 13, 2019 at 05:30 PM (#5908592)
BITD most of the bullpens were in foul territory. The exceptions were Yankee Stadium, the Polo Grounds, Fenway Park, Comiskey Park, and the visitors' bullpen in Braves Field. All the rest were located at varying distances down the foul line.

And starting pitchers in some parks warmed up even closer to the field. If you look at the video of game 7 of the 1952 World Series in Ebbets Field, you can see Joe Black and Eddie Lopat warming up no more than a few yards from home plate.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 05:42 PM (#5908594)
you can see Joe Black and Eddie Lopat warming up no more than a few yards from home plate.
Man...either they were totally half-assing their warmups or back then everyone but Bob Feller threw about 70 MPH.
   9. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 13, 2019 at 08:57 PM (#5908620)
Lopat was a "crafty" lefthanded junkballer** whose most recent comparison might be Jamie Moyer. But Black was a legitimate fireballing relief pitcher who was the NL's RoY in 1952. He then started 3 games of that year's World Series, going 1-2 with a 2.53 ERA, and was the first African American pitcher to win a World Series game. His strikeout percentage was relatively low, but in 1952 no pitcher even averaged 7 K's per 9 innings.

** Who posted a 4-1 / 2.60 ERA in 7 World Series games against the Dodgers, Phillies and Giants. He was one of the Yankees "Big Three" who led them to 5 straight World Series wins from 1949 through 1953.
   10. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:57 PM (#5908629)
The duck blind style bunkers at Tiger Stadium were my favorite. I can't believe those were still utilized at the end of the 20th century.
   11. Sunday silence Posted: December 14, 2019 at 12:00 AM (#5908638)
So who was the first African American to pitch in the world series?
   12. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 14, 2019 at 07:53 AM (#5908661)
That would've have to have been the Indians' Satchel Paige, in 1948, since the 1947 Dodgers didn't have any black pitchers on their World Series roster. In 1949's game 1, Don Newcombe was the first African American pitcher to make a World Series start, and he matched the Yankees' Allie Reynolds pitch for pitch until Tommy Henrich led off the 9th with a walkoff home run for a 1-0 win.

After that, Newcombe was a World Series disaster, and subsequently posted a 12.86 ERA over his remaining 4 World Series starts. The irony of that 1949 game was that prior to that, it was Allie Reynolds who was considered a Big Game choker, a pitcher who didn't have the "guts" to finish what he started. But from that point on, Reynolds became one of the best pitchers in postseason history, with a 6-2 / 2.45 ERA record over 5 World Series and 13 games. It was if Reynolds passed the "choker" baton onto Newcombe.
   13. Sunday silence Posted: December 14, 2019 at 01:14 PM (#5908698)
I was gonna leave it up there as a trivia question...BUt your historical take on that is also interesting so thanks, Andy.
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 14, 2019 at 05:21 PM (#5908735)
BTW it wasn't just bullpens that used to be in foul territory. How would you have liked to have been one of these photographers? This was quite the common practice all the way up through the 1940's, and it's a minor miracle that none of them got killed.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: December 14, 2019 at 07:05 PM (#5908744)
BITD most of the bullpens were in foul territory. The exceptions were Yankee Stadium, the Polo Grounds, Fenway Park, Comiskey Park,
In the first few decades, Fenway Park had foul territory bullpens, and i think old Comiskey as well.
   16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 15, 2019 at 12:13 AM (#5908758)
In the first few decades, Fenway Park had foul territory bullpens, and i think old Comiskey as well.

Could be, but by 1943, the diagrams in the Commissioner's Guide, which is where I got my info, show them behind the fences.

   17. Rob_Wood Posted: December 15, 2019 at 01:01 AM (#5908759)
Didn't the Polo Grounds have the bullpens in FAIR territory? With a little bench covered by a little awning? IIRC the Giants bullpen had an awning but the Visitors did not (so the visitors sat in the sun all game long).
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 15, 2019 at 04:26 AM (#5908761)
In the first few decades, Fenway Park had foul territory bullpens,


That's correct. They were changed in 1940, after Ted Williams' rookie year. The bullpens were changed from being in foul territory to being behind the fence in deep right field, moving in the right field fence by about 20 feet. The area eventually became known as "Williamsburg" because many felt it was done to help Williams hit more home runs - so of course his home HR total fell from 14 in 1939 to only 9 in 1940...
   19. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM (#5908779)
Didn't the Polo Grounds have the bullpens in FAIR territory? With a little bench covered by a little awning? IIRC the Giants bullpen had an awning but the Visitors did not (so the visitors sat in the sun all game long).

You're right, and I'd forgotten about that. And it lasted all the way up through when the Mets played there for two years, as you can see by this photograph.

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