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Giants prospects Joey Bart, Heliot Ramos could start 2020 in Triple-A

SAN FRANCISCO—Mike Yastrzemski was a hell of a find, and the Giants feel good about what they saw from Tyler Beede, Logan Webb, Tyler Rogers and others late in the year. But as they try and build a contender, the best developments in 2019 came at much lower levels.

For the first time in a decade, the Giants have a group of high-end prospects coming through the system, and a couple could arrive as early as next year. Joey Bart and Heliot Ramos finished the season in Double-A, and president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi said on this week’s Giants Insider Podcast that both will enter spring training with “the opportunity but not with a guarantee of starting the season in Triple-A.”

Being in Sacramento in April would put Bart, a 22-year-old catcher, and Ramos, a 20-year-old outfielder, in position to debut next season.

“They’re going to have to earn that (promotion to Triple-A) and then we’ll see where things go from there,” Zaidi said. “One thing that we really wanted to emphasize and create a culture of this year was you earn your way through the system and there’s no fixed timetables. Guys will be moved on merit and be given opportunities. That’s true for guys that might be perceived as org guys and it’s also true for the top prospects.

Something to watch for, particularly for those of us lucky enough to live in a AAA city.


QLE Posted: October 04, 2019 at 01:09 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: October 04, 2019 at 04:24 AM (#5886331)
Bart might put the Giants in the same "tough" spot that Schwarber put the Cubs. Unless he's already pretty advanced defensively (I have no idea), you want him down almost certainly for at least the entire minor-league season and preferably another half to full season to learn the position. (C is probably the only position I'd say that about.) But his bat is probably going to be ready long before then.** Giants probably won't be competing for a playoff spot next year so they'll be less tempted to call him up if he rakes.

** if it's not, leaving him down longer to learn the position becomes obvious.
   2. cookiedabookie Posted: October 04, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5886432)
Bart is a pretty good defensive catcher. He may be ready part way through next year - what better person to come up and apprentice with than Buster Posey?
   3. caspian88 Posted: October 04, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5886464)
I'm expecting both to start in AA Richmond. Both have enough talent that they might wind up in San Francisco in September.

I also expect Bart and Posey to split time in 2021 - say 300-400 PA apiece between catching, 1B, DH, and PH duties and the likelihood of an IL trip or two. Ramos, I'm less sure of, but he could be starting in 2021 (Pillar will be gone, and Digger might never amount to anything, which gives Ramos a chance in center, though he's probably stretched defensively there and will likely move to a corner in a year or two).
   4. Mefisto Posted: October 04, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5886469)
Posey was basically replacement level this past season (0.9 WAR). The sooner Bart is ready the better.
   5. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: October 04, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5886496)
Fangraphs gives him double that total (they still love his defense), and beyond that, I disagree with the idea that 1 WAR is basically the same as 0 WAR.

Posey looks done as a star, but I'm not convinced he's done as a starter. What Caspian suggested sounds like a reasonable plan to me.
   6. QLE Posted: October 04, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5886509)
There's also the point to be made that the value Posey had this year was entirely related to his catching (either through his defense at the position or his playing that position), and this fact deeply complicates what one can do with him- unless his bat returns (and that's been a multi-year issue, which complicates what return we can expect), he'd be no improvement over Belt (who is the midst of a parallel decline) at first base.
   7. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: October 04, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5886524)
Not saying he'd make for a good platoon 1B, but he'd make for a non-disastrous one, if you trust his projections and assume a return to his normal splits. And that's OK given that 80% or so of his playing time will still come from catching. It's not like they have clearly better options right now.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: October 04, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5886582)
The Posey problem sorta solves itself. If the bat bounces back, great. If not, he's still the starting C in 2020 and he tutors Bart in 2021. Then he rides off into the sunset or hangs on for a couple of years as a back-up somewhere.

they might wind up in San Francisco in September.

What is this, 2012? :-) Top prospects never debut in Sept anymore when you can set their clock back holding out until mid-April. Unless possibly the Giants find themselves in the race.
   9. QLE Posted: October 04, 2019 at 07:09 PM (#5886635)
What is this, 2012? :-) Top prospects never debut in Sept anymore when you can set their clock back holding out until mid-April. Unless possibly the Giants find themselves in the race.

That, and, even if the teams weren't behaving in the way they've tended to for the last few years, recent rule changes make it unlikely- starting next year, roster expansion in September will only be for 28 players, which will make it far less likely that prospects will get called up.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 04, 2019 at 07:18 PM (#5886639)
The sooner Bart is ready the better.
When he does get called up, they kind of have to prank him by putting "BORT" on the back of his jersey, right?
   11. bfan Posted: October 05, 2019 at 08:22 AM (#5886742)
When he does get called up, they kind of have to prank him by putting "BORT" on the back of his jersey, right?

Why change the fact that he is named after the city's mass transit system? Isn't that perfect, as it is?

This may be the world's easiest/best sponsorship link-up ever; his agent ought to be talking to BART now (unless BART has so many riders that they do not want to advertise, for fear of becoming over-crowded).
   12. caspian88 Posted: October 05, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5886850)
Well, Bart has gone 10 for 25 with 4 home runs in the AFL, leading the league so far.

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