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Thursday, September 19, 2019

Giants tie pitching record in 15-inning win over Red Sox at Fenway Park

Caught in the Mike Yastrzemski mania at Fenway Park on Tuesday night was a Ferris wheel of pitchers taking their turn in the Giants’ 7-6 win over the Red Sox in 15 innings.

Around and around they went.

Logan Webb started on the hill for the Giants and went five innings before Andrew Suarez took over. Nathan Eovaldi was the first man up for Boston before they went with Colten Brewer. And that was just the start to the marathon of pitchers stepping on and off the mound.

In total, the Giants and Red Sox combined to use 24 pitchers, tying an MLB record, according to ESPN Stats and Info. The Giants broke their franchise record by using 13 pitchers in one game, which tied an MLB record as well.

Hopefully, the pitching conga line will start to slow down, but I have my doubts…..

 

QLE Posted: September 19, 2019 at 01:22 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: giants, pitchers, red sox

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   1. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 19, 2019 at 02:41 AM (#5880631)
BOOOOORING.........

   2. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2019 at 07:57 AM (#5880632)
What a time to be alive!
   3. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 19, 2019 at 08:05 AM (#5880633)
Tuesday was the 102nd anniversary of this game, when men were still manly men who rubbed dirt on ruptured ligaments and when the Braves beat the Pirates in 15 innings as each team used 1 pitcher. Time of game was 3:07. (It was 5:54 for the Red Sox - Giants tilt).

EDIT: I was curious -- the last game where two pitchers went 15+ was in this 19 inning, 0-0 tie in 1965. The last game of 15+ innings with only two pitchers was the famous 1-0, 16 inning Marichal v. Spahn duel from 1963.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 19, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5880635)
Bochy going out in one last blaze of glorious Bochery. His postgame quote was probably “Yeah, I checked that off my bucket list.”
   5. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2019 at 09:11 AM (#5880638)
The Dodgers and Rays used a paltry 18 pitchers in their game. Dodgers starter Casey Stadler was allowed to pitch an impressive two-thirds of an inning before he got the hook. I figured he was a LOOGY or ROOGY, but no, apparently he was just a guy that can't be trusted to complete an entire inning.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2019 at 09:14 AM (#5880641)
Rule change please. Anything. I still like you get three free pitching changes per 9 IP, one more for every 2 IP of extra. Any changes beyond that cost you an automatic base on balls.

If you can't finish a 9 inning game with 4 pitchers, tough ####.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2019 at 09:18 AM (#5880644)
Well, we already did get a rule change that may help ensure that this record is never broken. Next year the 40-man September roster will be limited to 28. At the time it was reported, they also said they were still negotiating whether or not to limit the number of *pitchers* among that 28.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5880646)
Which I assume means that one of these teams will employ the game's first professional pinch-runner-mopup-man in an effort to game whatever rules they put in place to define what a "pitcher" is.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5880648)
Which I assume means that one of these teams will employ the game's first professional pinch-runner-mopup-man in an effort to game whatever rules they put in place to define what a "pitcher" is.

You throw a pitch, you're a pitcher.

If the game's a blowout, you won't care about the BB penalty to bring your backup C in.
   10. Belfry Bob Posted: September 19, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5880736)
Boy, I'm sorry I missed this. Pity.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5880750)
You throw a pitch, you're a pitcher.


I might agree with this. If I were MLB I'd be worried generally about the growing impression that baseball teams don't care about winning. And the position player pitching is perhaps the most immediately visible example of it. You got to a ballgame, and your team has a shortstop throwing in the 8th inning, down only by 5 runs? That's gotta feel shitty. Maybe you require a 10 run deficit.
   12. Davo Posted: September 19, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5880761)
   13. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 19, 2019 at 01:35 PM (#5880779)
Baseball, as a product, is becoming less entertaining to watch:

1) The length of games goes up while viewers' attention spans is going down.
2) The time between moments of action is getting longer.
3) The TTO approach to baseball means there are fewer moments of action.
4) Century-long strategic adjustments in the game have had the effect of generally exacerbating these problems. Unless MLB adjusts the rules to reflect these century-long patterns, it is not likely to get better soon.

These are structural issues with the game. I would argue there is also the problem right now of most of the game's biggest stars being relatively poor fits for how the public consumes information and products. I'm not suggesting this is the perfect example, but for fun, look at Mike Trout's Twitter page - how many followers he has, how much he tweets, and what he tweets, and compare that to Lebron James or Kevin Durant. It's a completely different world.
   14. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 19, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5880797)
Next year the 40-man September roster will be limited to 28.

Thank goodness!!
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2019 at 02:22 PM (#5880802)
Baseball, as a product, is becoming less entertaining to watch:

1) The length of games goes up while viewers' attention spans is going down.
2) The time between moments of action is getting longer.
3) The TTO approach to baseball means there are fewer moments of action.
4) Century-long strategic adjustments in the game have had the effect of generally exacerbating these problems. Unless MLB adjusts the rules to reflect these century-long patterns, it is not likely to get better soon.


100% true.
   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 19, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5880827)
Which I assume means that one of these teams will employ the game's first professional pinch-runner-mopup-man in an effort to game whatever rules they put in place to define what a "pitcher" is.


John McGraw had a plan for that in 1929. He took Tony Kaufmann in the rule five draft in the winter of 1928, and kept him on the Giants roster for the entire 1929 season. Kaufmann had been a serviceable pitcher - he threw at least 150 innings every season from 1922 to 1926. He then had arm problems - he pitched only five MLB innings and 43 undistinguished minor league innings in 1928. McGraw took a flyer on him, and added him to the roster hoping his arm would come back. It didn't, but he got into 24 games for New York as a pinch runner, 16 games as an outfielder, and four games as a pinch hitter. He wasn't a terrible hitter for his career, hitting .220 with nine homers, but his bat went south on him that season - 1 for 32 for an .031 average. He did have three stolen bases and scored 18 runs. McGraw gave up on him after the season - he made it back to the majors as a pitcher with the Cardinals but never regained his effectiveness, although he did throw in 15 games for the World Series winning '31 Cards.
   17. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 19, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5880902)
Post #16 demonstrates one of the main reasons I still come to this site. I just love that there are fully committed baseball nerds who know stuff like that.
Thank you Vortex for posting that.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 19, 2019 at 08:18 PM (#5880951)
Thank you Vortex for posting that.


You're welcome!
   19. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: September 19, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5880955)
I was at this game and honestly it wasn’t bad until the 13th inning (I think). Most of the changes were between innings so no biggie. The 13th was a travesty though, the Giants used four pitchers for four batters. The Sox mounted a rally that took about 15 minutes except 8 of those minutes were pitching changes.

Each pitcher faces three batters minimum. Such a simple thing.
   20. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: September 19, 2019 at 09:42 PM (#5881003)
OK, kids, strap in...

22 pitching changes,
113 at-bats,
17 walks and
29 side-changes equals 181 "events"...in 354 minutes.
That's 1.96 MPE, so, yeah, even slower than normal, which is around 1.7 MPE these days. (Of course, pitching changes are usually longer than other events, so that'll prolong things...)
   21. Lest we forget Posted: September 20, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5881277)
This is why I love baseball?
   22. pikepredator Posted: September 20, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5881295)
1990 was the last time both starters pitched into the 10th inning.


I knew one immediately, as I imagine many did. I couldn't think of the other one, for the life of me.

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