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Wednesday, June 30, 2021

Giolito calls Donaldson move ‘classless’

Lucas Giolito was happy with the White Sox 7-6 victory against the Twins on Tuesday night, and satisfied with his three runs allowed over six-plus innings in improving to 6-5 this season.

But the White Sox right-hander was not thrilled with Twins third baseman Josh Donaldson, who connected for a two-run homer on Giolito’s fifth pitch of the game. As Donaldson crossed home plate, he rubbed his hands together and said, “Hey, it’s not sticky anymore! It’s not sticky anymore!” as picked up by the television microphone on the Twins’ broadcast and in reference to Major League Baseball’s crackdown on pitchers no longer using sticky substances.

Giolito didn’t see the moment during live game action, but saw it after the fact.

“He’s a [expletive] pest. That’s kind of a classless move,” Giolito said during his postgame Zoom. “If you’re going to talk [expletive], talk [expletive] to my face. Don’t go across home plate and do all that, just come to me.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 30, 2021 at 09:20 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: June 30, 2021 at 10:16 AM (#6027013)
I guess this means none of the twins pitchers were doing anything at all. Maybe that’s why Donaldson chose them - because he wanted to be above reproach………..
   2. pikepredator Posted: June 30, 2021 at 11:20 AM (#6027017)
I don't know if I will ever stop being surprised by how sensitive baseball players are. It would make me talk more trash just to throw people off their game. This isn't going low after somebody's mom or kids or race or anything . . . it's perfect trash talking fodder.

I was bullied a lot when I was in elementary/grade school . . . until I learned not to let it get to me. If I'm Giolito I would've pointed out that Donaldson was previously 1-for-10 against me . . . even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.
   3. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: June 30, 2021 at 12:35 PM (#6027024)
Trash talk is stupid and adds nothing to my enjoyment of the game. Hitting a home run is the only statement Donaldson needed to make. That said, the best way to curtail it is not to react to it. Donaldson is trash talking either out of his own egotism or to annoy Giolito (or some combination thereof). Letting Donaldson know you're annoyed is just going to make it worse. And then we've all got to read about this crap.
   4. Adam Starblind Posted: June 30, 2021 at 12:53 PM (#6027025)
[3] I disagree. What's the alternative in postgame interviews? More "It felt good to win, everybody contributed, my teammates really picked me up on defense ..."? Why interview athletes at all?

   5. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: June 30, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6027026)
If I was Giolito I'd have been content with the "we won and they're in last place" comment.
   6. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: June 30, 2021 at 01:09 PM (#6027027)
Why interview athletes at all?


To fill time &/or space, depending on the medium.
   7. Austin Kearns: The Spy Who Shagged Flies Posted: June 30, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6027028)
In the case of Giolito, going after his mom would probably involve her lead role in Calendar Girl, Cop, Killer? The Bambi Bembenek Story.

Don't know if he'd prefer that to hand gestures or not.
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 30, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6027029)
Giolito may have lost the presumption of innocence normally accorded to pitchers using the traditional method of showing their displeasure toward batters. He’d have been better off claiming he wasn’t bothered, even if he was. Of course, Donaldson might be affected by the knowledge that Giolito might be inclined to toss one high & tight, so maybe there was some value in ‘sending a message’, although I doubt these guys think too deeply about post-game comments.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: June 30, 2021 at 02:27 PM (#6027035)
Well, perhaps calling Donaldson a pest and classless will get under Josh's skin, if we're going to assume this kind of thing has an actual effect on player's psyches.

I'm always a little surprised that acting like an #######, as Donaldson undeniably did here*, is excused while responding to the ####### is frowned upon.

*It's one thing to celebrate your accomplishment, even in the angry mode currently in favor. It's a little different to yell that the only way the pitcher was previously able to get you out was because he was cheating.

   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 30, 2021 at 02:49 PM (#6027038)
My contrarian hot take is that this is all fine, and maybe even a good thing. Giolito nd Donaldson are two very good players who deserve to be more widely known, and it never hurts to get your name in the papers.
   11. pikepredator Posted: June 30, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6027045)
My contrarian hot take is that this is all fine, and maybe even a good thing.


I always view sports thru the lens of "if I was playing, and knew the other guys playing" . . . there would be all kinds of trash talk. I don't begrudge pros from doing the same thing. Maybe more is expected of them re: decorum.

One thing I never understood was the old-timey insistence on "never getting a drink with the opposition" or whatever. I always play at least as hard against my friends, if not harder, than when in competition with people I don't know. The last person I want to get beat by is someone who will be able to rib me endlessly when we're sitting around a fire drinking beer.

If I was Giolito I'd have been content with the "we won and they're in last place" comment.


"I guess he needs something to celebrate" never gets old.
   12. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: June 30, 2021 at 03:21 PM (#6027048)
I'm always a little surprised that acting like an #######, as Donaldson undeniably did here*, is excused while responding to the ####### is frowned upon.


Seconded, strongly.

I always view sports thru the lens of "if I was playing, and knew the other guys playing" . . . there would be all kinds of trash talk. I don't begrudge pros from doing the same thing. Maybe more is expected of them re: decorum.

One thing I never understood was the old-timey insistence on "never getting a drink with the opposition" or whatever. I always play at least as hard against my friends, if not harder, than when in competition with people I don't know. The last person I want to get beat by is someone who will be able to rib me endlessly when we're sitting around a fire drinking beer.


Admittedly I'm not a huge fan of trash talking but a bit of fun is fine. I feel like a lot of what I see out there isn't good natured. Maybe it's me getting old. Maybe it's a legitimate cultural shift. Maybe it's just that we see all of this stuff clearer and more often than we did in the pre-internet, pre-HD era. Mostly likely it's a combo of the three.
   13. Hank Gillette Posted: June 30, 2021 at 06:42 PM (#6027097)
One thing I never understood was the old-timey insistence on "never getting a drink with the opposition" or whatever.


Back in the day, players were not paid that well (at least compared to the owners’ revenue), so that the World Series money was a big deal. The WS money could be as much as an average player’s annual salary. In that sense, many took the position that their opponents were trying to take food out of their family’s mouths. Why would you want to be friendly with a person trying to starve your family?

These days, even average players earn more in a season than most people earn in a lifetime. Their families have security. World Series or playoff money is nice, but for most, it’s just gravy. They can afford to be friendly with opposing players because it just doesn’t matter. I am not saying that they are not trying their best to win, but it is not the same. There is enough money in the game for everyone.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: June 30, 2021 at 07:09 PM (#6027105)
Seems to me Donaldson is getting more grief here than he deserves. He didn't talk #### TO Giolito, Giolito even complains about that. Unless Donaldson knows that stuff said while crossing the plate will get picked up by the mikes, what he said wasn't intended for public consumption. Clearly he was being openly obnoxious, should have known (so I assume did know) that it would stir controversy and he'd be asked about it after the game. But we've seen cases where the pitcher and batter start yelling at each other before the batter gets to first on his HR trot so this is minor stuff.

I notice that Giolito, averaging 11 K/9, managed just 1 K in 6 innings. But I think his previous start was also in the post-stickyball era and he K'd 7 in 6 innings in that one.
   15. dejarouehg Posted: June 30, 2021 at 09:26 PM (#6027133)
I find trash-talking, like booing, to be classless. Ribbing, on the other hand, which I guess by definition is amongst friends, is an endless source of joy.

Even though I think Donaldson is absolutely correct when it comes to Cole, Giolito and the entire sticky-stuff issue (Berrios' wicked slider?), he just comes across as an A.J. Pierzynski type. He's a very good ballplayer but a real d-bag.

I'm not sure who the current Tony Gwynn is (I'm sure there are plenty of candidates that just aren't coming to me....Kris Bryant?), but there are certain players who just exude class that I prefer are the players' public voices.

As for the question in 4 above, why interview athletes at all? I still can't figure out an answer for that. These are people who are blessed to have maximized a particular talent that entertains us. Beyond that, what is there to say that's of any interest? I don't blame them for answering questions with canned responses or cliches. There is virtually never anything that can be asked of them where the answer is consequential.

   16. SoSH U at work Posted: July 01, 2021 at 11:26 AM (#6027206)
Unless Donaldson knows that stuff said while crossing the plate will get picked up by the mikes,


Or, you know, the catcher.
   17. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: July 01, 2021 at 12:11 PM (#6027213)
Eh, if you're going to be a jerk to the opposition, being a jerk to them about their cheating seems to be the way to go.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: July 01, 2021 at 12:23 PM (#6027217)
Eh, if you're going to be a jerk to the opposition, being a jerk to them about their cheating seems to be the way to go.


And then confront them about it in the parking lot.

Also, it's alleging cheating. It's not as if Giolito is Jose Altuve here.
   19. pikepredator Posted: July 01, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6027221)
wow the parking lot thing is childish. I know Giolito "asked for it" or whatever, but . . . seriously?
   20. JJ1986 Posted: July 01, 2021 at 12:47 PM (#6027224)
My opinions on this story are mostly shaped by my preconception that Giolito seems cool and Donadlson seems like an annoying redass.
   21. Tin Angel Posted: July 01, 2021 at 12:47 PM (#6027225)
I said, 'I'm in your face. I'm telling you what I think. What have you got to say about that?' And he didn't have any response."


I'm going to guess he was thinking "What a complete #######."
   22. Eddo Posted: July 01, 2021 at 12:55 PM (#6027227)
Donaldson certainly doesn't come off any better with his response, which included confronting Giolito in the parking lot:

"He said, 'I wish he'd said it to my face.' Right?" Donaldson said. "Well, I did say it to his face. We had a talk last night. Let's just be quite frank with this, he didn't have much to say.

"It happened after the game. ... He was walking in the parking lot, and I went and made sure he heard what I had to say to his face because that's what he wanted. That's what he wanted.

"He said that he thought I was annoying. I said, 'So what? I'm on the opposing team. What do you care about me?' I said, 'I'm in your face. I'm telling you what I think. What have you got to say about that?' And he didn't have any response."


EDIT: Coke to SoSH.

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