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Tuesday, June 15, 2021

Glasnow sidelined with flexor strain, UCL tear

Tyler Glasnow has a flexor tendon strain and a partially torn UCL, causing the Tampa Bay Rays to put him on the injured list, per multiple reports. Glasnow will attempt rest and rehab rather than surgical intervention at this time.

Glasnow, 27, has had a breakout year for the Rays, putting up a 2.66 ERA and 2.75 FIP in 88 innings over 14 starts so far this year. His 123 strikeouts on the year are second in the American League. His performance has been a significant factor in the Rays having the best record in baseball currently.

Glasnow left his start yesterday due to what was described at the time as elbow inflammation. An MRI today revealed the damage to his elbow.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 15, 2021 at 03:30 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: June 15, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6024318)
Another big arm out. I think the teams that go to the playoffs will be the least injured teams. What a mess this season has been for injuries. That’s huge blow to the Rays continued dominance - that race will certainly tighten
   2. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 15, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6024321)
If Garrett Richards is any precedent, this is the end of Glasnow's career as a top-tier starter.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: June 15, 2021 at 06:53 PM (#6024337)
posted this on another thread, but I think it merits my seconding it in this case

Jesse Rogers
@JesseRogersESPN
·
1h
Glasnow: “Do it in the offseason. Give us a chance to adjust to it. But I just threw 80 innings, then you tell me I can't use anything in the middle of the year. I have to change everything I’ve been doing the entire season. I'm telling you I truly believe that’s why I got hurt.”
   4. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: June 15, 2021 at 07:31 PM (#6024342)
Rob Manfred has been a disgraceful commissioner. A looming work stoppage in 2022 will be the icing on the cake.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 15, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#6024345)
Rob Manfred has been a disgraceful commissioner.

I never realized I would miss Bud Selig so much so soon. July 12, 2017:
Major League Baseball adamantly opposed expanding legal sports betting in the U.S. for decades. In deposition testimony early in the New Jersey (Supreme Court sports gambling) case, former MLB commissioner Bud Selig said that sports gambling was "Evil, creates doubt, and destroys your sport."

Bud Selig. Voice of wisdom.
   6. Space Force fan Posted: June 15, 2021 at 08:22 PM (#6024348)
Glasnow: “Do it in the offseason. Give us a chance to adjust to it. But I just threw 80 innings, then you tell me I can't use anything in the middle of the year. I have to change everything I’ve been doing the entire season. I'm telling you I truly believe that’s why I got hurt.”


Isn't this a strong admission that (some successful) pitchers were using the goo for competitive advantage? Can you read this as anything other that once my goo was gone, I had to overthrow to try to compensate for the decrease in spin.
   7. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: June 15, 2021 at 08:32 PM (#6024353)
So I'm completely with Glasnow on this, MLB basically changed the rules mid season, and that is not okay. I support the crackdown, but it should have been rolled out in the offseason. With that said, Tyler Glasnow just admitted to cheating. I don't really care, but it will be interesting to see how that part of the story spins out over the rest of the season.
   8. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 15, 2021 at 09:15 PM (#6024360)
how did MLB manage to change the rules in mid season but Glasnow was already cheating? I dont get that.

it should have been rolled out in the offseason.


So we would have a great offensive surge in winter ball!
   9. The Duke Posted: June 15, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6024362)
I’m sorry he got hurt but blaming it on not being able to cheat is just frustration
   10. Ron J Posted: June 15, 2021 at 09:26 PM (#6024364)
#9 Has to be the rule change. No pitcher before ever had a similar injury.
   11. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:14 AM (#6024454)
I never realized I would miss Bud Selig so much so soon.


At least Manfred's mistakes are correctable. Collusion, cancelled World Series, ongoing stadium payment tax bills for citizens, a Hall missing many deserving players (plaques, of course), Senate hearings, the joke of running the Expos... Selig's stains are permanent.
   12. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:12 AM (#6024481)
At least Manfred's mistakes are correctable.

In theory, yes, but barring another existential crisis for MLB, the stain of Big Gambling is here to stay.
   13. dejarouehg Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:21 AM (#6024498)
I feel for Glasnow. I'm a big fan of his but I think his blaming the rule change is preposterous, whether or not the injury could be attributed to the IMPENDING (not yet implemented) crackdown on the anti-goop rules.
   14. dejarouehg Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:21 AM (#6024499)
I feel for Glasnow. I'm a big fan of his but I think his blaming the rule change is preposterous, whether or not the injury could be attributed to the IMPENDING (not yet implemented) crackdown on the anti-goop rules.
   15. Ron J Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:28 AM (#6024502)
#12 Logic error. Just because something is 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% likely to cause a major issue doesn't mean we should assume it will.
   16. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:29 AM (#6024503)
Isn't this a strong admission that (some successful) pitchers were using the goo for competitive advantage? Can you read this as anything other that once my goo was gone, I had to overthrow to try to compensate for the decrease in spin.


So I'm completely with Glasnow on this, MLB basically changed the rules mid season, and that is not okay. I support the crackdown, but it should have been rolled out in the offseason. With that said, Tyler Glasnow just admitted to cheating. I don't really care, but it will be interesting to see how that part of the story spins out over the rest of the season.

Read Glasnow's full comments, he said he used the rosin and sunscreen combo, if that is cheating then A LOT of pitchers have been cheating for over a decade now. And it's not overthrowing the ball, it's overgripping it (in his case). Said he had to adjust by holding the ball tighter and further back into his hand.
   17. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:33 AM (#6024507)
I feel for Glasnow. I'm a big fan of his but I think his blaming the rule change is preposterous, whether or not the injury could be attributed to the IMPENDING (not yet implemented) crackdown on the anti-goop rules.


Seriously, read Glasnow's full comments. He clearly lays out when he switched his grip, and even agrees it 'sounds dumb' that this resulted in his injury.

Glasnow said, in advance of MLB's initiative, he did away with using sunscreen -- the only foreign substance he said he has ever used -- two starts ago and felt sore the next day due to needing to adjust his grips. He did the same in Monday's outing against the Chicago White Sox and then felt something "pop" in his arm.

"I switched my fastball grip and my curveball grip," an animated Glasnow said on a videoconference with reporters. "I had to put my fastball deeper into my hand and grip it way harder. Instead of holding my curveball at the tip of my fingers, I had to dig it deeper into my hand.

"I'm choking the s--- out of all my pitches."

Glasnow left Monday night's game after four innings. He said he understands what MLB is trying to do in eliminating Spider Tack and other sticky substances but has an issue with doing it midseason and eliminating everything all at once.

Teams were informed Tuesday that starting Monday, pitchers will be subject to random checks and could face ejections, fines and suspensions if found with any foreign substances on them or in their gloves.

Glasnow said there was talk going back a couple of weeks that eliminating anything that helps pitchers' grip could lead to an increase in injuries.

"In my mind that sounds dumb," Glasnow said. "That sounds like an excuse a player would use to make sure he could use sticky stuff. I threw to the Nationals ... I did well. I woke up the next day and I was sore in places I didn't even know I had muscles in."

Glasnow struck out 11 hitters over seven innings against the Nationals on June 8, calling it one of his better outings of the year. For him, it was proof he doesn't need any substances to help his performance -- just to assist in his grip.

"Waking up after that start, I was like, 'This sucks,'" Glasnow recalled. "Something is weird here. That same feeling is persisting all week long. I go into my start [Monday] and that same feeling [is there], it pops or whatever the hell happened to my elbow. I feel it. Something happened.

"Do it in the offseason. Give us a chance to adjust to it. But I just threw 80 innings, then you tell me I can't use anything in the middle of the year. I have to change everything I've been doing the entire season. I'm telling you I truly believe that's why I got hurt."
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:37 AM (#6024508)
One thing's likely: This newly stepped up enforcement will separate real talent from enhanced "talent". Glasnow's effectively admitted that he couldn't compete without his sticky mix.
   19. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:58 AM (#6024515)
Glasnow's effectively admitted that he couldn't compete without his sticky mix.


If you are arguing that he needs tacky #### or he's going to constantly get hurt, fine, say that. If you are saying he can't pitch well without it, then you are flat wrong.

Glasnow struck out 11 hitters over seven innings against the Nationals on June 8,
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:05 AM (#6024520)
No, I'm just reacting to his complaint. If he had all that unenhanced talent to begin with, he could simply stop using the sticky stuff and pitch the way he did before he started using it. We could have then seen (before his injury) just how much real talent he had. Maybe he had it and maybe he didn't.
   21. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:16 AM (#6024522)
he could simply stop using the sticky stuff and pitch the way he did before he started using it.


Again, he did not use sticky stuff his last two starts, including the June 8th start vs the Nationals.
   22. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6024540)
Right, but then how did he mess up his arm? He said it was because he had to adjust his grip, but wouldn't that have been the grip he was using before he started using the sticky stuff? Why would that've been that big of an adjustment, and why hadn't he hurt his arm when he was pitching with that grip before?

Or alternately, he might have hurt his arm anyway. Injuries like Glasnow's aren't exactly unheard of, with or without sticky stuff.
   23. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6024544)
Right, but then how did he mess up his arm? He said it was because he had to adjust his grip, but wouldn't that have been the grip he was using before he started using the sticky stuff? Why would that've been that big of an adjustment, and why hadn't he hurt his arm when he was pitching with that grip before?


He was drafted in 2011 - there is a very good chance he's been using sticky #### on the ball his entire career. This is not a new thing. MLB has handled this so incredibly poorly, and the players are not being scapegoated.

MLB's timeline:
- don't care, it's not steroids
- at least 10 years go by
- strikeouts are way up, let's start discussing extra grip
- it's under review, but no penalties this year
- that initial discussion prompts more discussion "hey, isn't that cheating"
- oh ####, it is, penalties will ensue
- no more sticky ####, you've all broken the rules, it's the players fault! BAD!
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 17, 2021 at 08:59 AM (#6024703)
Whining when you get finally get caught cheating is a bad look.
   25. reech Posted: June 17, 2021 at 10:58 AM (#6024728)
So, all of these pitchers complaining that they can't grip the ball with-out their "goo of choice".
Given the increases in mph in pitches, wouldn't it stand to reason that if they weren't throwing the ball as hard, they would have better control and not need the "goo of choice".

   26. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 17, 2021 at 11:45 AM (#6024738)
You guys can debate whether he was cheating or not.

But he had to completely overhaul his fastball and curveball when ordered to stop using substances.

Sidenote, Glasnow went from not using a slider at all last year, to throwing it 32% of the time this year. Curve went from 35% to 14%.

   27. Eddo Posted: June 17, 2021 at 01:22 PM (#6024761)
it's under review, but no penalties this year

Where does this statement come from? (I've seen it multiple times, not just on BBTF.) From a March 24 ESPN article:

Mike Hill, newly hired as executive vice president of baseball operations and disciplinarian, wrote in the memo that "players are subject to discipline ... regardless of whether evidence of the violation has been discovered during or following a game."
   28. Ron J Posted: June 17, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6024889)
#27 That's a tenable position. MLB backed down under threat of a lawsuit, but I don't think Sutton would have won if it had gone to trial. MLB just judged the cost of losing to be too high. There are no precedents on the books that says MLB can't use evidence that comes up later.
   29. Eddo Posted: June 18, 2021 at 12:15 AM (#6024923)
Ron J - I don't think I follow what you're saying, but I might just be dense. What I was trying to say was that, before the season, MLB was up front that punishment was still very much on the table, so I don't understand why the "but MLB said there would be no penalties this year" argument has traction.
   30. Ron J Posted: June 18, 2021 at 07:27 AM (#6024928)
What I was saying was a side tangent. Since Sutton threatened to sue, MLB has taken the position that the ump has to find the evidence in the game and that the ump needs a compelling reason to search the pitcher. In other words, not only is discipline this year plausible but that it's plausible that they wouldn't feel constrained by the stance they took in the past as to what constitutes evidence.

   31. Eddo Posted: June 18, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6024956)
Ah, thanks for clarifying.

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