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Sunday, May 03, 2020

Guardian: 12-time All-Star Manny Ramirez considers return to baseball at 47

Retired MLB superstar Manny Ramirez is considering a return to baseball in Taiwan at the age of 47 . . .

Ramirez, who turns 48 next month, told the Taiwan Times he would like to return in a player-coach role.

Can’t wait to see him run drills for hitting the cut-off man.

Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: May 03, 2020 at 03:21 PM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: chinese professional baseball league, manny being manny, manny ramirez

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   1. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: May 03, 2020 at 04:55 PM (#5947157)
Hey, why not?!
   2. Ron J Posted: May 03, 2020 at 08:40 PM (#5947242)
I'm old enough to remember the annual, "Jim Brown may come out of retirement" stories. I don't remember when they stopped, but he was in impressive shape at least into his early 50s.
   3. Ron J Posted: May 03, 2020 at 08:42 PM (#5947243)
Dupe
   4. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 04, 2020 at 05:26 PM (#5947580)
Impact Wrestling recently broadcast a match with a 70-year-old man who did a number of moves including the rope-balancing walk, and a tope dive from inside the ring to the floor.
   5. bunyon Posted: May 04, 2020 at 05:45 PM (#5947587)
It must be extremely hard to leave your profession as young as these guys do. I get that a lot of them are insanely wealthy but, still. To work all your life to become great at something and then stop doing it, if you're very, very lucky, at 40.

I know that's not an original thought but I'll not criticize any of them for considering comebacks.


I mean, I wouldn't sign them if I were a GM, but I wouldn't criticize them.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: May 04, 2020 at 05:47 PM (#5947589)
I'm old enough to remember the annual, "Jim Brown may come out of retirement" stories.

Wilt Chamberlain's corpse says, "Hold my beer!"
   7. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 04, 2020 at 09:23 PM (#5947643)
Manny split his age 41 season between the PCL and Taiwan. In the PCL he hit 258/328/370. The PCL. This dude was toast. In Taiwan he hit 352/422/555. The level of play is so low there, he probably could come back at 47.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: May 04, 2020 at 09:36 PM (#5947657)
my Monkeys are off to an 11-3 start, so let someone else sign him! (like, one of the other three teams). we have good chemistry right now.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: May 06, 2020 at 01:18 AM (#5948256)
I'm old enough to remember the annual, "Jim Brown may come out of retirement" stories.

I caught the Who's final tour in 1982.

Manny seems interested in coaching -- spent that season or two with the Cubs AAA team playing and being unofficial hitting coach -- but apparently isn't getting the opprotunity.

Is he still playing winter ball? He was still doing it in 2014-15 (313/409/510 in 171 PA) but if he's done it since then, b-r hasn't picked it up. Mark Canha somehow only put up a line of 100/164/167 in 67 PA. Villar just 233/310/333 in 146 PA, Derek Dietrich just 262/346/385 and none of those guys were particularly young at the time. That team also featured Furcal (for a game) and Tejada for 10 games. Sheesh, Furcal was still hanging in the low minors in 2014 and 2015.

Manny also outhit a young Jose Ramirez, Domingo Santana, Maikel Franco, Joc Pderson and Leury Garcia. In fact the only former/current/future MLBer I noticed who clearly outhit him was 25-year-old Yasmani Grandal who was coming off a 111 OPS+ season. Well, him and Arismendy Alcantara. :-)
   10. Eric L Posted: May 06, 2020 at 10:35 PM (#5948549)
I caught The Who’s next final tour in 19892
   11. John DiFool2 Posted: May 06, 2020 at 11:21 PM (#5948567)
Quite a few old-timers would play minor or semipro ball after their time in the majors was done. Shoeless Joe Jackson was one such.
   12. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: May 07, 2020 at 03:54 AM (#5948585)
''nah that ain't him''
   13. DanG Posted: May 07, 2020 at 11:45 AM (#5948652)
Papa Grande was still chuckin' 'em in Mexico last year, five years after being released by the Mets.
   14. Ron J Posted: May 07, 2020 at 12:24 PM (#5948675)
Iron Man Joe McGinnity pitched forever in the minors after his major league career ended.

George Brunet is a more recent name that I recall hanging on for a long time.

   15. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 07, 2020 at 12:29 PM (#5948679)
In the old days good players heading back to the minors after they couldn't cut it in the big leagues anymore was pretty common. Just ask Julio Franco about it.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 07, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5948681)
Rickey! played for the Newark Bears in 2003-04, at the age of 44/45.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 07, 2020 at 03:31 PM (#5948722)
In the old days good players heading back to the minors after they couldn't cut it in the big leagues anymore was pretty common. Just ask Julio Franco about it.
I would, but I assume he's in the on-deck circle somewhere.
   18. Ron J Posted: May 07, 2020 at 07:01 PM (#5948754)
Brunet was playing in Mexico at 50. On the same team as a 21 year old Rich Rentaria.

McGinnity went 6-6 in D ball at 54. He pitched 291 innings in B ball at 46 and seems to have hurt his arm again (after washing out of the majors with arm problems he was routinely topping 400 IP in the minors) He struggles for two years, disappears from the record for 4 years before starting again. Is not great at 52 (but still pitches 206 innings), disappears for a year and comes back for 85 innings at 54.

Pretty sure he was still pitching in the years that there is nothing for on bbref.
   19. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 07, 2020 at 09:17 PM (#5948770)
In the old days good players heading back to the minors after they couldn't cut it in the big leagues anymore was pretty common. Just ask Julio Franco about it.

I would, but I assume he's in the on-deck circle somewhere.


Indeed, Julio is hitting coach for Lotte Giants
   20. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 07, 2020 at 10:59 PM (#5948785)
Minnie Minoso! And Otis Nixon played until he looked like he was 83!

From the link (I didn't click on it) I thought he wants to come back to MLB, but from the comments it seems like he means "overseas"? Ok fine.
   21. Ron J Posted: May 08, 2020 at 02:09 PM (#5948918)
#20 Early Tank McNamara had a series of strips obviously about Gordie Howe. One of them starts with a family vigil around a hospital bed and ends with, "He's going to play another year". Subsequent strips show him on the ice with a walker.
   22. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 08, 2020 at 03:59 PM (#5948953)
Gordie Howe playing at 50 in the NHL showed how slow the league was then as compared to now. There is no way that guy could have skated in today's NHL. Well, last December's NHL.
   23. Ron J Posted: May 08, 2020 at 05:04 PM (#5948970)
22 Actually kind of covered in the Tank McNamara strips. There's one where he heads gingerly into the corner, you get the impression of off-panel action and he skates away with the puck. Opponent is in a heap on the ground. And the last panel comment is something like, he's picked up a few tricks over the years.

More to the point, these days Mark Stone is a star despite being a below average skater. He does enough other things well. I'm not sure when he'll lose enough that he won't be effective. I expect the end will come quickly for him.

Chris Chelios lasted quite some time in more recent times.
   24. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 08, 2020 at 05:56 PM (#5948976)
It's the guys who played without helmets that could never survive today's NHL. Bobby Orr would be just another guy these days. He skated past guys and made them look like they were standing still. Largely, because they were, relative to modern times.
   25. Ron J Posted: May 08, 2020 at 06:41 PM (#5948985)
24. How about goalies who played without masks.



Jacques Plante first mask

   26. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 08, 2020 at 06:45 PM (#5948986)
It was like a clamshell with holes in it.
   27. Ron J Posted: May 08, 2020 at 07:19 PM (#5948992)
Yup. But it beat a puck to the face. Didn't hurt in getting it adopted that Plante was a major star. The I'm not going back without a mask was a real threat. And his success helped bust some of the myths holding back its adoption.

One of the first decorations to a mask was a goalie who had stitches painted on whenever the puck hit his mask. A not too subtle point about the value of a mask.
   28. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 08, 2020 at 07:53 PM (#5948994)
Gerry Cheevers
   29. Ron J Posted: May 08, 2020 at 08:04 PM (#5948997)
Why does a Texan know about ancient NHL history?

You are of course correct.

EDIT: Odd autocorrect I think.
   30. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 08, 2020 at 08:25 PM (#5949000)
NHL, Ron. ;) I'm not a Texan, only here on bidness ... since 1995. Grew up in NYC going to Rangers games, playing roller hockey and sometimes we'd rent Skyrink at about 2 or 3 a.m. for ice time.
   31. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 08, 2020 at 10:59 PM (#5949007)
Jaromir Jagr, who made his NHL debut with the 1990-91 Penguins, led the NHL in games played during the 2016-17 season. He was waived during the following season and returned to his native Czech Republic where he was still an active player in the top Czech league this season at age 47.
   32. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 08, 2020 at 11:53 PM (#5949011)
Still with the hometown Kladno squad?
   33. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 09, 2020 at 12:14 AM (#5949014)
Indeed. 15 G and 14 A in 38 games with Kladno this season.
   34. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 09, 2020 at 01:42 AM (#5949018)
I was in teaching Czechia in 94, but they weren't on the schedule where I was during his time with the team.
   35. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 09, 2020 at 02:22 AM (#5949019)
Sir Stanley Matthews played until he was 50 - he was the only soccer player to be knighted while he was still an active player. He was knighted on January 1, 1965, and played his last League game with Stoke City on February 6 of that year.
   36. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: May 09, 2020 at 08:20 AM (#5949023)
Unless Manny wants to be a relief pitcher, nobody in CPBL will want him. They have strict limits on foreign players.
   37. bobm Posted: May 09, 2020 at 09:42 AM (#5949024)
Has Manny ever thought about taking steroids to extend his career?
   38. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 09, 2020 at 10:11 AM (#5949026)
Gerry Cheevers


An idea:! Draw a picture of the coronavirus germ on your mask every time you come home!
   39. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 09, 2020 at 12:16 PM (#5949040)
Rubern Rivera was still playing the Mexican League last year at 45. He hit 195/353/220 in limited appearances, so that's likely it for him.

Casting around in the 2019 Mexican League... The oldest player in the league was a relief pitcher named Rafael Diaz, who appeared in 13 games at age 48. From 1989-1991 he was in the low minors on Cincinnati and KC farm clubs. He disappeared in 1992, then in 1993 played for the Pocatello Posse, an independent team playing in the Pioneer League. He then disappeared for 12 more years before showing up in 2005 on Saltillo in the Mexican League. So age 23-33 he's nowhere that BBRef knows about, and then he manages a 15 year career in Mexico.
   40. jingoist Posted: May 09, 2020 at 12:25 PM (#5949043)
Whenever I read a story about an aging star making a comeback my mind flashes back to Willie Mays in the Mets outfield in the early 70’s .
Collective fandom was embarrassed for him as he struggled to make simple fly ball catches.
No worse than Johnny U trying to play QB for the Chargers about the same year.
Sinatra’s 3rd comeback wasn’t so hot either, but he was in his late 60’s by then.
Knowing when you are done isn’t an easy acknowledgement for a superstar.

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