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Tuesday, June 21, 2022
Right now, the leading vote-getters are Yankees slugger Aaron Judge in the AL (1,512,368 votes) and Dodgers star Mookie Betts in the NL (1,446,050 votes).
There are close races across the ballot at positions like AL third base (Rafael Devers leading José Ramírez), AL shortstop (Bo Bichette leading Tim Anderson and Xander Bogaerts), NL second base (Jazz Chisholm Jr. leading Ozzie Albies and Jeff McNeil) and the outfield in both leagues (Judge leading Mike Trout, Betts leading Ronald Acuña Jr.).
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1. The Duke Posted: June 21, 2022 at 02:23 PM (#6083077)And apparently Alejandro Kirk is the face of Canadian baseball. That's a lot of votes for a guy nobody had heard of in March. (Granted, not much competition.)
Here's hoping Willson gets the start and they pick William as a backup.
At the same time, I'm hoping for Goldy, Edman, Arenado, Helsey to make it for my team, add in Mikolas and Wainwright and it seems like a lot, but I think potentially legit.
Hard to believe Sandy and his 13.7 career WAR made 6 AS teams. I know WAR wasn't a thing back then, but still...
- Dizzy and Daffy Dean. Paul (Daffy) never was an All Star.
- Paul and Lloyd Waner. Paul made the AS team 4 of the previous 5 seasons, but not in 1938 when Lloyd had his only appearance.
- Phil and Joe Niekro. Despite pitching 342 innings, winning 21 games, and racking up 7.4 pitching WAR, Phil didn't make the AS team in 1979 when Joe made his only appearance.
Sandy had a great reputation for handling a pitching staff, and his Indians always seemed to extract value out of elderly retreads and middling talents.
The Sandy Jr phenomenon is hard to explain. I don't really remember why but he had immediate buzz. He won RoY and started the AS game in the same season -- that's very rare (although I don't know if he was voted in or a replacement). It's not like he was putting up historic numbers early or anything -- 294 BA but only 3 HR through the end of May.
Then the reputation just stuck. He started the next year too but he'd been horrible AND mised a month from mid-May to mid-June. He then got hurt again and missed Aug and Sept. So the next year we were all "it was the injury, the real Sandy will be back" ... but a 212 BA and 601 OPS on May 1 when he got hurt again and missed 2 weeks. He was slightly worse throughout the rest of May/June ... and started again!
That was in the years before Cle was good, when they were last in attendance.
Then he didn't make the team for 3 years and I thought maybe the latter appearances might be due to Cle getting good, selling out every game and reaching 2nd in attendance (Clevaland! Second!) But those years Pudge II was the starter -- still Alomar might have had good vote totals so maybe that was it. Sandy still had that rep that "this is gonna be the year we're gonna see the real Sandy" ... or at least that's how I remember it. And in 1997 it actually happened and he deserved the AS selection. That was also the year Cle hosted the game so he was surely gonna be on the team anyway ... and that doesn't explain 96 or 98.
He'd probably never have a shot these days except maybe in that first and very likely in the 5th year. In his 2nd AS year, which he missed half of, Cle was below replacement and worst in the AL at C overall. In 92 just regular bad; 96 and 98 back near replacement.
That is a STRONG voting block from Canada to get him there, as I can't imagine most of the other AL fans have even heard about him.
I mean, he's the obvious choice statistically, but I'm still surprised.
OTOH, I voted for Pete Alonso, even if I admit that Goldschmidt has been better.
Edit: and of course Griffey Jr.
As to Sandy Alomar Jr - I remember the massive hype (I still have probably a couple dozen of his rookie card around here) and how everyone loved his arm - back then that was #1 for catchers by a mile (probably due to the Rickey/Raines/Coleman era of the 80's).
Mort and Walker Cooper 3 times (1942, 1943, 1946)
Rick and Wes Ferrell twice (1933, 1937)
Dixie and Harry Walker twice (1943, 1947)
So plenty of people outside Canada are voting Kirk, not Salvador Perez. Plenty of people outside Houston are voting Alvarez, not Ohtani.
I guess without ballpark voting that you lose a lot of the casual fan vote. Now you have to care enough to take a small extra step to vote and that's not the really casual fans. Then there's the group that's just there to vote for one or two specific players so makes sense they might just go by the stats on everybody else. I haven't checked but I suspect that most of the positions where there's a big lead are the ones where the stats are obvious with short-season stats trumping a good career.
1. People who think it's about electing the guys with the best stats at the time
2. People who think it's about voting for the stars/faces of the game, no matter the stats (so, you should vote for guys like Pujols, Griffey, Ripken, et al, even at the tail end of their careers when they don't meet the criteria in #1.)
3. People who vote for players who play for their favorite team.
None of these reasons are explicitly wrong. I think it is good to reward guys having a great season. I think there are guys who are generational players who should go every year. And I think it makes total sense that fans, especially younger ones, just want to see their team's guys. If you're going to allow fans to vote, you basically are accepting that guys will be elected for reason 3 (and 2 as well)
The problem is, some people tend to get very locked into reason 1 as being the reason, and then all the lists of snubs, etc. flow from that.
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