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Saturday, January 25, 2020

He’s ‘Nat’ done yet: Virginia Beach’s Ryan Zimmerman reportedly signs one-year deal with Washington

WASHINGTON – Mr. National is not giving up his title – at least not in 2020.

In a story first reported by the Washington Post’s Barry Svrluga, Virginia Beach’s Ryan Zimmerman has agreed to a one-year deal with the Washington Nationals. Howard Fendrich of the The Associated Press reports Zimmerman, the UVA Baseball Hall of Famer, will receive a $2 million base salary. Incentives, based upon the number of games played and plate appearances, could bring the figure to as high as $5 million. The AP reports the deal includes a full no-trade clause.

Zimmerman, who will turn 36 years-old this season, became an unrestricted free agent after the Nationals’ 2019 World Series championship season.

Zimmerman holds Washington’s franchise records for hits, doubles, home runs and runs batted in. The Kellam High School product has spent his entire 15-year career with the Nationals. He’d stated, on multiple occasions, he wanted to continue playing past last season – a season that saw him win his first World Series

Sentimental of me, I suspect, but I’m inclined to think that for symbolic purposes it’s best to let Zimmerman stay with the team until he’s ready to retire.

 

QLE Posted: January 25, 2020 at 12:37 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lest we forget Posted: January 25, 2020 at 05:38 AM (#5919222)
Ahhh, injuries.

What might have been?
   2. bbmck Posted: January 25, 2020 at 09:10 AM (#5919229)
Franchise records for hits, doubles, home runs and runs batted in:

ARI - Luis Gonzalez
ATL - Hank Aaron
BAL - Cal Ripken Jr
COL - Todd Helton

KCR - George Brett
STL - Stan Musial
WSN - Ryan Zimmerman

3 of 4:

BOS - Carl Yastrzemski 3rd in HR to Ted Williams and David Ortiz
CHC - Cap Anson T26th in HR
CHW - Frank Thomas 4th in H to Luke Appling, Nellie Fox and Paul Konerko
DET - Ty Cobb 28th in HR
LAA - Garret Anderson 3rd in HR to Tim Salmon and Mike Trout

MIL - Robin Yount 2nd in HR to Ryan Braun
NYM - David Wright 2nd in HR to Darryl Strawberry
SDP - Tony Gwynn 5th in HR to Nate Colbert, Adrian Gonzalez, Phil Nevin and Dave Winfield
SFG - Willie Mays 2nd in RBI to Mel Ott
TBR - Evan Longoria 2nd in H to Carl Crawford
TOR - Carlos Delgado 3rd in H to Tony Fernandez and Vernon Wells
   3. PreservedFish Posted: January 25, 2020 at 09:42 AM (#5919230)
Zimmerman was such an extraordinary fielder in his first years, easily the Arenado or Chapman of the time. What happened?
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: January 25, 2020 at 09:57 AM (#5919232)
His defensive slide seems to have arrived in 2011. He did miss six weeks very early that year due to a torn abdominal muscle (and added more injuries after that). That seems as likely an explanation as any.

   5. PreservedFish Posted: January 25, 2020 at 10:04 AM (#5919233)
I vaguely remember him having an injury that ruined his throwing strength. But it was years after 2011 that he moved to 1B.
   6. Adam Starblind Posted: January 25, 2020 at 10:16 AM (#5919235)
I remember it as a matter of hoping 1B would be easier on his body to keep him in the lineup.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 25, 2020 at 01:17 PM (#5919257)
Zimmerman had a shoulder injury that required surgery, and was never the same thereafter, causing him to move to 1st base when the position opened up with the departure of Adam LaRoche after 2014.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: January 25, 2020 at 02:10 PM (#5919263)
best part about the victory lap for him is that whenever there's a roster crunch, with his injury history he easily could be put on the IL for weeks at a time without raising a red flag.

so Zimmerman doesn't get released, and the Nats break his glass whenever someone gets hurt.
   9. flournoy Posted: January 25, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5919264)
Zimmerman, who will turn 36 years-old this season


I guess that'll be true if the Nationals wind up playing in a Game 163 this year.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: January 25, 2020 at 04:18 PM (#5919269)
I'd like to nominate the headline for the worst headline pun in the history of headlines.
   11. Rally Posted: January 25, 2020 at 04:22 PM (#5919270)
If you added Zimmerman’s career from the time he was drafted to Rendon’s from the time Z moved to first, you’d have a borderline HOF third baseman.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: January 25, 2020 at 06:46 PM (#5919276)
But probably on the outside looking in. I get 60.7 WAR in 8800 PA with a WAR7 of 41.2. That puts Zimm-Rendon right in the middle of the Boyer, Bando, Bell, Nettles, Longoria, Wright bunch. Post-war HoF 3B tend to have outstanding peaks. The worst is Molitor with a WAR7 of 39.7 but he lasted for 12,000 PAs, got to over 75 WAR, 3000 hits and his WAR7 is probably only so low because he was hurt so often in his prime. The next lowest is Edgar at 43.7. And neither of those guys was exactly a real 3B and the lowest there is Brooks at 45.8. This also means things like a 10-year run of at least 50 WAR is nearly a minimum requirement; probably closer to 55.

A good long run as a 6+ WAR players is almost a requirement for the BBWAA unless maybe you get to 3000 hits and/or 500 HR. Betwen them, Rendon and Zimmermann have just one 7-WAR and four 6-WAR seasons. Of course Rendon might well push them over the line before they're done.

Anyway, I know Rally's point is that the Nats got borderline HoF production at 3B from 2006 through 2019 which is an awfully nice thing to have.
   13. Sunday silence Posted: January 25, 2020 at 09:57 PM (#5919293)
but I thought we had a shortage of 3b in the Hall. Shouldnt most of those guys be in in a just world?
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: January 25, 2020 at 10:07 PM (#5919295)
Boyer and Nettles are in the HOM, the latter in particular iirc due to fortuitous timing (we elect 3 or 4 in alternate years).

Bell made a nice run this year, Bando still gets votes, and the other two are not yet eligible.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: January 25, 2020 at 10:18 PM (#5919299)
I'd like to nominate the headline for the worst headline pun in the history of headlines.


Here I was thinking the headline writer should be shot for a crime against humanity... but I'll go with your take.
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 25, 2020 at 11:01 PM (#5919306)
Calling that headline a pun is an insult to puns.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: January 25, 2020 at 11:57 PM (#5919311)
Shouldnt most of those guys be in in a just world?

I tend to think so but it's hardly cut-and-dried (and sort beside the point of Rally's post or my post).

3B is a bit like CF where you've got some obvious greats at the top (not nearly as great as the best CF), then a few clear HoFers (let's see how Rolen does), then a pretty sizable gap followed by a half-dozen guys who are largely inseparable. And none of them have much narrative.

Nettles -- 68 WAR, 32 WAA and a borderline HoF peak, heavy reliance on defense (just 53 oWAR). Low on black/gray ink, no real MVP love, surprisingly just 2 GG, 6 AS games

Boyer -- here's the top candidate probably. Basically Nettles without the extra 2000 PA of average but has an MVP, a smattering of other MVP finishes, 5 GG, 11 AS games and a good amount of gray ink. I'll guess he would get in eventually if he was on the ballot today and it's weird a VC hasn't put him in.

Bell -- Nettles with slightly less offense but 6 GG. 66 WAR, 33 WAA.

Bando -- solid but not spectacular on either side of the ball. 61 WAR, 33 WAA, no MVP but solid finishes, 4 AS, no GG, some gray ink. I think he was under-appreciated in his time which never helps -- Hunter, Reggie, Fingers, Blue, maybe even Rudi and Campy got more press for those A's teams.

Allen -- not really a 3B and widely discussed anyway.

Evans -- Bando plus 2000 PA of not very good, no MVP love, lousy peak by HoF standards. One of the odder careers in history, probably one of the most under-rated players of all-time. In 1973 he hit 41 HR with 104 RBI, put up 9 WAR ... and finished 18th in MVP voting (over-shadowed on his own team by Aaron and Davey Johnson) ... he put up 7 WAR the next year and couldn't even make the AS team. Two years later he was replacement-level and got traded. He bunced back then he faded then he put up 12 WAR from ages 38-40. Nobody knew what to make of him.

If you put all those guys in, 3B would be way over-represented and, other than Boyer, it's a pretty dodgy case for any of them. It's also important to realize that before the war, 3B simply weren't very good other than HR Baker. Jimmy Collins has a reasonable case but the rest look pretty pathetic. It's always possible they were really Brooks with the glove and our stats just don't see it. But unlike many other positions, Baker is the only pre-war 3B in the top 20 by WAR, Boyer and Methews are even the only other two with careers that started before expansion (techhnically Brooks but <10% of his career).

So we could also look at it as them putting in 10 post-war 3B (assuming Beltre) plus possibly Rolen. Or we could call it 8 if we sensibly get Edgar and Molitor out of the 3B list. Assuming Trout, they've inducted 9 postwar CF and that includes the borderline Dawson, the undeserving Puckett, the VC Ashburn and Doby. While Dawson and Puckett made it via writers, they also dumped Lofton, maybe Andruw, Edmonds, Wynn, Davis, Pinson. Willie Davis is the Buddy Bell of CF.

2B are probably harder done by. Just 6 postwar have been elected, Cano would by 7 without PEDs, I don't like Utley's chances but you never know. Grich and Whitaker have better cases than any of those 3B except maybe Boyer. Randolph fits right in with the 3B candidates -- Kent is probably less deserving (he's more Darrell Evans actually). Anyway, to this point, Alomar or Biggio are the most borderline postwar 2B candidates to make it.

There's of course a pretty good case to be made that postwar players are under-represented across the board. But it can be argued that since expansion increased the number of players, it also expanded the set of borderline candidates broadly enough that inducting them all would be kinda silly. That creates a pretty arbitrary selection of which borderline ones get in. (OK, maybe not silly -- we're talking about 25-30 position players of which a few will get elected anyway, spread over all the postwar years, that's not a lot. Just don't induct them all at once.)
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: January 26, 2020 at 12:53 AM (#5919313)
Rolen, DaEvans, Allen, Ashburn, Doby, AJones, Edmonds, Wynn, Dawson, Grich, Whitaker, Randolph are in HOM.

not Puckett, Lofton (soclose), WDavis, Pinson, Kent
   19. Walt Davis Posted: January 26, 2020 at 05:20 PM (#5919408)
Of course the HoM at its inception decided the number of inductees was about right, they just didn't think the right players were in at the borderline. I think the percentage of player inductees via the BBWAA has been going up but I think it's still only something like 60%. #17 is talking about the BBWAA borderline. (235 players plus 35 NeL with the latter all chosen by special committee of course.) For 235 players, about 160 position players, pretty much every position player with 60 WAR should be in and presumably most of those with 55-60. But for about 100-120 positioin players ...

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