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Friday, November 18, 2011

Heyman: Why Bobby Valentine is getting a look in Red Sox managerial search

BMark Buehrle presumably no relation to B’wana Beast, or for that matter, sveunm.

The Red Sox say first-list [managerial] candidates Sandy Alomar Jr., Torey Lovullo and Gene Lamont are still in play (curiously, the Phillies’ respected bench coach, Pete Mackanin, was the one called on Tuesday and told that he is out of the running; “I was a little bit surprised. Maybe I didn’t have what they were looking for ... I didn’t insult them,’’ Mackanin said by phone ). None of them looks particularly likely, however, now that it’s clear Red Sox ownership is involved and seems to have vastly different ideas… Cherington, an extremely bright young executive who’d been Theo Epstein’s righthand man until being promoted to replace the departed Epstein four weeks ago, put together a list of pleasant get-along candidates. That roster was definitely OK for the Cubs, as it was basically their list, too. But Red Sox honchos, who know they operate in a fishbowl, appear to feel the need to make a more serious choice…

The perception that [Boston team president Larry] Lucchino was now heavily involved was inescapable, especially after the name of [Bobby] Valentine, who is a longtime friend of Lucchino’s and is viewed as a of his favorite [sic], surfaced. And Lucchino did admit to reporters here that the search is a “collective’’ process. A longtime Boston person said that one of strengths [sic] of [Theo] Epstein, who earned near-full autonomy after winning his second World Series as GM in 2007, was “helping save some people from themselves.” The perception now will be that Cherington’s power isn’t what was believed… There was… no suggestion that Valentine or anyone like him was on Cherington’s radar in the first go-around… it looks like Valentine would be mostly Lucchino’s call, and one of the others Cherington’s. Word is, Cherington had spoken once before to Valentine, but it wasn’t made clear whether that discussion was at Lucchino’s direction. What is clear is that, heading into the meeting here, Cherington was ready to make [Dale] Sveum the manager.

With Valentine’s name the first to surface, the new direction is undeniable. Sveum is seen as another player’s manager who isn’t likely to rock the boat, while Valentine has all his own ideas. Bobby V is widely respected as a brilliant and accomplished baseball man, but he is a curiously strong personality for a team that uses Moneyball principles and has been run more from the front office than the manager’s office in recent years. That would have to change if he gets the job, of course.

The Miami Marlins are said to have a good feeling about their chances to sign Jose Reyes. But even they know they will have to do better than what was described as a “preliminary’’ offer. Sources suggest it was actually less than the reported $90 million over six years by $10-to-20 million. However, Miami is thought to be eventually willing to come up to $90-to-100 million on a five-year deal. People familiar with their situation continue to describe the Albert Pujols offer as a lowball special designed to work only if Pujols has some incredible and unknown desire to play in Miami.

The Yankees may be gun shy bidding on acclaimed Japanese league pitcher Yu Darvish following their disastrous Kei Igawa signing. They seem more interested in C.J. Wilson, Edwin Jackson, BMark Buehrle and perhaps [John] Danks at the moment.

The Mariners could wind up as a player for free agent Prince Fielder. They are badly in need of offense, and their GM, Jack Zduriencik, is the one who drafted Fielder for Milwaukee.

Though new Astros owner Jim Crane was unanimously approved, some teams would have been opposed had there been any chance they could have voted him down. The Angels, for one, were against him. But as is usually the case in baseball, the vote was 30-0 in Crane’s favor. No matter what anyone thinks of Crane, having 15 teams in each league and a balanced schedule—ripple effects of the approval, which was contingent upon Crane agreeing to move the Astros to the AL West—are major benefits.

The District Attorney Posted: November 18, 2011 at 11:14 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 19, 2011 at 02:36 AM (#3996965)
####. We're going to have a shitload of drama for a few years until Lucchino is forced to step back again, huh?
   2. valuearbitrageur Posted: November 19, 2011 at 03:08 AM (#3996987)
Not sure what you mean.

BTW, did Theo ever discuss why he left the Red Sox? Seems like a pretty good job.
   3. booond Posted: November 19, 2011 at 03:14 AM (#3996992)
Who is the best person for the job who's free to take the job? If that's Valentine then hand him the damn keys and let's get going.
   4. McCoy Posted: November 19, 2011 at 03:33 AM (#3997005)
Who is the best person for the job who's free to take the job?

Well, it depends on what you are looking for and apparently within the organization there is difference of opinion on what is needed/wanted.

Apparently Ben wasn't never given a clear directive from up top on what they wanted or Ben went off the reservation on his own. Either way they look to be in disarray and should have gotten their house in order before the interview process.
   5. LionoftheSenate Posted: November 19, 2011 at 03:46 AM (#3997010)
Do Red Sox fans have any strong opinions on who should win the job? They were lukewarm at best on Sveum.
   6. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: November 19, 2011 at 04:01 AM (#3997017)
I like Lovello but that's a gut feel. Quite frankly I don't think any of us has a clue. I want someone similar to Francona but that's about all I can really say. Despite the reports I don't want a hard line disciplinarian, I think on a veteran team that's going to be too far in the opposite direction, it just needs to be someone who is able to command respect that Tito seemed able to through most of his tenure and seemed unable to in Septemeber.

I didn't like Sveum purely From a PR standpoint (he was heavily disliked as a third base coach with the club).

For similar PR reasons I think someone loosey goosey like Maddon probably is not the way to go. They need someone "new school" but able to portray an "old school" face.

You know, just the perfect manager.
   7. valuearbitrageur Posted: November 19, 2011 at 04:39 AM (#3997037)
Apparently Ben wasn't never given a clear directive from up top on what they wanted or Ben went off the reservation on his own.

Ben can't go off the reservation on this decision, he's the GM, it should be his decision. I'll bet he's not telling Luccino what kind of toilet paper to stock in the Fenway restrooms.

And disarray is far too weak a term. Countermanding your new GM's first major decision is a sign of the apocalypse that will be known as the Luccino era to ASIC fans. I give Ben two years tops before he quits in frustration or is fired for insubordination.
   8. Fat Al Posted: November 19, 2011 at 05:00 PM (#3997205)
How crazy must it drive Lucchino that Theo gets the bulk of the credit for the championship teams?
   9. Karl from NY Posted: November 19, 2011 at 07:14 PM (#3997315)
BTW, did Theo ever discuss why he left the Red Sox? Seems like a pretty good job.

Not directly, but it was pretty obvious he was chafing at having to work under Lucchino. In his parting statement, he singled out Lucchino with a backhanded compliment, something like "a complicated relationship that was sometimes productive."
   10. Lassus Posted: November 19, 2011 at 07:33 PM (#3997335)
Oh jesus, I just saw that Buehlre bit. I rarely fall prey to this, and really don't like it when I do, but can't he please stay away from the freaking Yankees?
   11. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: November 19, 2011 at 07:46 PM (#3997350)
One of the things about Valentine is that he'd help to turn the media scrutiny off of the collapse. Crazy Bobby V back in the bigs would be a whole new thing to focus on.

Of course, he could easily turn into an ozzie guillen situation.
   12. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: November 19, 2011 at 07:55 PM (#3997360)
I like Lovello but that's a gut feel.

I wish Sparky Anderson were still around to give us his take on Lovullo's odds of being a successful manager.
   13. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 19, 2011 at 07:58 PM (#3997366)
Oh jesus, I just saw that Buehlre bit. I rarely fall prey to this, and really don't like it when I do, but can't he please stay away from the freaking Yankees?

Few things would surprise me more than Mark Buehrle signing with the Yankees or Red Sox.

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