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1. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: December 18, 2011 at 03:20 AM (#4018756)Lesson 1: Buy the team---That way they can't fire you for finishing last 17 times in 36 years.
Well, his main hobby was chasing fire trucks, so draw your own conclusions. (smile)
Anyone in that collar will be guaranteed to write like Oscar Wilde.
Good question. Branch Rickey would also be in contention. Also J.G. Taylor Spink and Henry Chadwick.
If we include media personalities, I'd go with Vin. Even in the era of universally-beloved broadcasters like Buck, Caray, and Harwell, Vinny is head and shoulders above them all.
What did Bill James write about him in the BJHBA? That he didn't have the brains God gave a rabbit. "Compared to Rube Waddell, Dizzy Dean was a Rhodes scholar."
Rube Waddell
Wikipedia paints a rather colorful portrait of Waddell.
Waddell was described by newspapers of his time as having an unabashed joy about certain activities that most of us abandon when we get past puberty, but then so did Mark the Bird. He also had a lot of phobias, but one must keep in mind that the newspapers of that time were basing a lot of things on the Hearst "school of scandalous and super-exaggerated reporting".
Besides, just what the heck does James know about being a Rhodes Scholar?
Yeah, I hate when that happens. It's worst when you mix up which anniversary you're supposed to be celebrating with whom.
As opposed, of course, to today's hyper-accurate, moderate Murdoch era.
Ryan Rowland-Smith making it back to the big leagues?
I am never going to forget that he was the first player with a hyphenated name in MLB. There was a couple in our book club with the last name Smith-Rowland. Their name was formed in the usual American way - the wife's name was Smith, the husband's name was Rowland.
Won't somebody think about the grandchildren!
Does it truly make no sense to you that a practice conceived against the abandonment of the female's given name would often put the name of the female first?
Is this sarcasm? We're talking about surnames. Last is first.
I simply find it odd, given how and why the practice began, that you would be confused by the more common placement of the hyphenated names.
Yes, but as Vaux notes, what happens with her daughter? Does she double-hyphenate?
I understand the desire to retain the surname of the male line in her family before a woman met her husband. But there is a practical reason for the parties in a marriage to adopt a single name.
I know a couple who decided to each keep their own names and alternate the surnames they gave their children. It apparently never occurred to them that most people would assume theirs was a second marriage and the kids were not biologically related.
When double-named people marry, they figure it out. There are options--each dropping one name, keeping their names and making a choice for their children. It isn't like nuclear fission in a bathtub; it's a mild dilemma but hardly an insuperable problem. We didn't hyphenate but it's odd to me that people get invested in opposition to it. Who cares?
Well, my direct answer to Vaux's question - "What does a person with a hyphenated last name do when he or she gets married?" - would be "Whatever he or she wants."
I'm not invested, either. Not confused. Not invested. Perhaps oddly fascinated.
I admit, I didn't read "If hypenating is supposed to be such a 'we're so progressive and liberated' thing..." as particularly objective or without agenda, if that is how you meant it.
I remember when I first learned of it I thought it was cool. And, if you know anything about Connie Mack, so apt. The name sounds like something from classic screwball comedy or from '40's radio.
People sometimes ask us what our kids will do when they get married, and sometimes: What will they do if they get married to ANOTHER hyphen. Our stock, joking answer: That's their problem! A nicer way to say it is they're free to do whatever they want.
As GregD notes, it doesn't seem to us to be an insurmountable hurdle.
There was a Dateline about a man accused (and acquitted) of murdering his wife in which the couple had done this.
Possibly because screwball comic Lucille Ball used the name McGillicuddy as the maiden name of her Lucy Ricardo character.
I guess that's way better than "Soreneck".
I'd say you just read it way too seriously. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I remember when I first learned of it I thought it was cool. And, if you know anything about Connie Mack, so apt. The name sounds like something from classic screwball comedy or from '40's radio.
Or even more precisely, from a W.C. Fields movie: Eustace McGargle, J. Effingham Bellweather, Harold Bissonette, Larson E. Whipsnade, Cuthbert J. Twillie, Egbert Sousè (accent grave), or Mahatma Kane Jeeves.
And your enjoyment of the Christopher Guest oeuvre is thereby increased 1%.
Edit: see at 0:07.
I frequently have students in my classes with Mexican (or other Latin American) style dual last names (father's name first). The only problem there is that our computer record system doesn't handle that very well and usually smashes the names together with no space, hyphen, or internal capitalization.
Mack was in his seventh screwball decade of base-ball by the 1940's.
When it comes to names that tickle,
P. G. Wodehouse
Note that the English go in for hyphenated names some, too.
In Spain, a person traditionally takes the last name of their father, followed by the last name of their mother.
So if María Cruz González marries Pedro Gil García, their daughter would be, say, Dolores Gil Cruz. If she marries Juan Martínez Marcén, their son would be José Martínez Gil.
Women who take their husbands name (a bit old-fashioned today) use "de" followed by his name. So María's full name would be María Cruz González de Gil, and Dolores' would be Dolores Gil Cruz de Martínez.
The paternal last name is the "official" last name and the maternal last name is often dropped in casual contexts.
Park-Lee? Kim-Park? Fenway-Park? Kim-Kardashian?
They're still around.
I should have known Guybrush Threepwood was Wodehouse inspired.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is having a promising rookie season for the Edmonton Oilers.
Also now they seem oddly strict on women changing their name after marriage and I've even heard of a request to take a husband's name denied by the government.
My last name is to darn long to hyphenate. As stated above it would be a huge hassle.
For more than a century. From deadball days.
From http://www.chinmusic.net/RubeWaddell.html:
I once worked at a company where a married couple both worked. They were Christopher X and Christine Y. They both used the hyphenated last name, X-Y.
Unfrotunately, both went by Chris. Not a good outcome.
Whatever happened to the woman just using her maiden name as a middle name? My mom took my dad's last name, but always makes a point of using her maiden/middle name also.
You could even give the kids the mother's maiden name as their middle name.
That way you preserve the name, but don't get the messy hyphenation.
Note that the English go in for hyphenated names some, too.
I think the English upper classes mainly did it when the mother's family was more prestigious than the father's. They wanted everyone to know who your were.
My middle name is kind of like that. "Vaughan" was a prominent ship-building family in New Brunswick and my grandfather's mother's maiden name. It's also cool because if I say my full name it kind of sounds like I come from German nobility (especially since my last name is German). It's win-win.
In spirit, and spirits, Bugs was Jeckle to Waddell's Heckle. Although perhaps not quite the simpleton Waddell was, Raymond was maybe even a worse alcoholic. One story I remember from a book of anecdotes I read as a callow youth has Bugs being removed from a game. Rather than handing the ball to manager McGraw, he pretends to be enraged, and storms off the mound with the ball still in hand. He rants and raves, gestures and whatnot all the way to the bullpen, continues to do the same all the way out of the ballpark to the nearest bar, where he then trades the ball for a drink.
Unfrotunately, both went by Chris. Not a good outcome.
Evelyn Waugh married Evelyn Gardner. Much hilarity ensued.
A good (female) friend of mine from college named Dana married a man named Dana. We'd stopped keeping in touch by then. That marriage didn't last long.
What "Whatever happened to"? More than 80 percent of American married women take their husband's surname on marriage, based on general statistics. Of those who do change their names, a narrower study of New York Times announcements found that about 5% hyphenate. (Source)
The practice of hyphenating surnames upon marriage has always been a really rare thing to do, and both that and keeping one's maiden name have declined since their peaks around 1980.
The practice of hyphenating surnames upon marriage has always been a really rare thing to do, and both that and keeping one's maiden name have declined since their peaks around 1980.
I understand that, I'm asking what does the hyphen achieve that the maiden-name-as-middle-name doesn't?
The biggest reasons to want to keep the maiden name are recognizing your family lineage and professional continuity. That's achieved either way. But the middle-name route prevents confusion/difficulty on forms, maintains unity of name across the family, etc., as well.
The hyphen seems to be superior only as a political statement.
There are many women for whom I know their last name but have no idea of their middle name.
But if they used their maiden name as middle-name, I mean really use it in every day life, you would.
I didn't know it until a couple of weeks ago, when I looked up the Congressman to find out whether he was related to the baseball manager, and learned that all of them are actually named "Cornelius McGillicuddy".
But my sense is that in most cases of hyphenation, the woman hyphenates, the man doesn't. I could be wrong.
Me too, anec-data solely. I guess one of us is right :-)
Speaking of the latter of whom, & changing the subject drastically, last week, while reading Stephen King's (quite good) latest, I stumbled across the following reference --
I swang, as Leo “The Lip” Durocher used to put it in his colorful radio broadcasts, but now I regretted it.
That should be Diz rather than Durocher, right? I never got the impression that Leo was ever (a) a broadcaster or (b) given to rusticisms like "swang."
Hey, take it to the Dr. Ruth message board.
I have known both people in a couple to hyphenate, and just the woman, and I've known couples to create new fusion names. Not to my taste – I can see wives taking husband's names (or vice versa, though I have never known an instance of that), or keeping their birth names. As several have indicated above, who the hell cares what illustrious family you come from; most Americans' forbears were peasants or servants or whatever just a few generations back.
Probably the neatest solution was by a couple I knew that kept their surnames, had two kids, and gave the daughter the mother's surname and the son the father's. That to me is ingenious, equable, and distinctive; no reason you couldn't cross genders as well and just give a kid a name that sounded good along with either parent's surname ...
I have a family member who has identical twin daughters. They have different last names - one the wife's maiden name (which she kept unhyphenated) and the other the husband's maternal grandmother's maiden name.
It's equable (equitable?), and it's distinctive, but it's terrible. Siblings should have the same name. In my opinion. I don't understand this solution at all.
Authorities believe alcohol was involved.
(Presumably the people who came up with this idea live in a yurt or an old VW van. If not, they certainly should.)
(Or maybe they're living in a dugout in the same rural commune as the wonderfully stupid visionaries dlf describes.)
And now that I think about it, I dispute "equitable." It's equitable for the parents, because they each get to see their family name live on. But it's not at all equitable for the children - sharing the same name is the only equitable solution for them - and you're also damning them to thousands of "well, our parents were hippies" explanations.
(I assume you meant equitable, not equable, which the internet tells me means steady and calm)
That's why the old convention worked well. It helped you know who was married to whom, who was related to whom, etc.
With women having careers, and marrying later, I understand the desire for name consistency. That's why I like the "women uses her maiden-name as middle-name, but actually uses it all the time" solution. She still has the same last name as her husband and children, but she also retains her "former identity".
He did indeed. This was before NBC had the exclusive rights to broadcast a nationwide game of the week and the various networks (CBS/NBC/ABC) contracted with individual teams to televise weekend games. I want to say that Durocher served as the color man on ABC's telecasts but I could be wrong.
You are correct. According to this extremely informative thread, Durocher was one of ABC's main color men in 1965, teaming up with Chris Schenkel.
http://www.the506.com/smf/index.php?topic=2474.0
That should be Diz rather than Durocher, right? I never got the impression that Leo was ever (a) a broadcaster or (b) given to rusticisms like "swang."
Yeah, "swang" and "slud" were more Dizzy's style. After having a few of the sponsor's beers during the game, in the late innings he sing the Wabash Cannonball, too. Had a good country blue grass voice:
Wabash Cannonball by Diz, although he sang it better as a younger man
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