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How will MLB handle clubhouse divisions over COVID-19 vaccine as baseball seeks return to normalcy?

The legality of employers insisting on COVID-19 vaccinations is a complicated issue that will continue to develop as it becomes increasingly relevant in the coming months. Because the vaccine was released with an “emergency use authorization,” it defies precedent. And even with the eventual full FDA approval, it would need to be considered a business necessity.

As it pertains to baseball, a vaccine mandate would almost certainly have to be negotiated with the MLB Players Association (one manager compared it hypothetically to the existing joint drug agreement) and it is highly unlikely the union would agree to make it mandatory.

“It’s hard. If somebody disagrees and doesn’t want to do it, I don’t know what protocols we’re going to have in place,” Hinch said. “I know we want a safe environment, I know we want the fans back in the stands. I know we want something to feel normal again, which is baseball in the summer with freedom to move around and leave the hotel and go to the ballpark whenever we want and live a baseball life that we’ve lived our whole lives.

“Part of that is going to be a responsibility to learn about the vaccine and the important safety protocols and follow them to the best of your ability.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 19, 2020 at 10:57 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: December 19, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5995022)
What kind of an ####### wouldn't take the vaccination?
   2. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: December 19, 2020 at 11:22 AM (#5995027)
What kind of an ####### wouldn't take the vaccination?


Been asleep the last four years?

I’ll be interested to see how this gets handled. On the one hand teams have always had to deal with differences of opinion so that’s not a huge issue. The vaccine is a different story. I think there is reason to be skeptical of a vaccine that has clearly been rushed. “Rushed” doesn’t mean “handled inappropriately” though and at the same time “skeptical” doesn’t have to mean “dismissive.” I think it’s important for leaders and medical professionals to sell the vaccine well. I think he’s a dirtbag on any number of levels but VP Pence getting the vaccine publicly yesterday is the kind of thing that needs to be more common from elected officials to reassure the public.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 19, 2020 at 11:35 AM (#5995029)
What kind of an ####### wouldn't take the vaccination?

Which vaccine do you take? How long do you wait to see the respective side effects?

The Pfizer vaccine could be lethal to my mother-in-law; two people in the UK went into anaphylaxis after getting it. They have severe allergies, and the vaccine triggered a response that would be fatal if not treated immediately.

Nothing medical is simple. Everyone's body is different. I certainly wouldn't rush to vaccinate any low risk people.
   4. JRVJ Posted: December 19, 2020 at 01:09 PM (#5995034)
This article seems to have forgotten a very, very important consideration, which is that the Blue Jays actually play in a different country.

Assuming that they actually will play in Toronto, it becomes an issue if Canada demands travellers to and from there have to show that they have been vaccinated against COVID-19/SARS-COV-2.
   5. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 19, 2020 at 01:42 PM (#5995046)
I would have taken the Pfizer vaccine the moment it passed stage 2 trials, but I don't have any allergies. I actually did sign up to be a volunteer for stage 3 vaccine trials, but never got chosen. If anything, I'd say this saga is a lesson in how strict FDA protocols ended up slowing down the process of getting a vaccine to the public in a time of crisis. The Moderna vaccine was designed in literally two days and was known to be safe back in the spring. We just didn't know how effective it was
   6. John Northey Posted: December 19, 2020 at 03:48 PM (#5995057)
I'd go with the general rule of you need it unless you can show it is dangerous for you specifically and if it is then you need to be in isolation a LOT on the road - limited to your hotel room and the park, wearing a mask wherever possible, etc. until the caseload in the USA is down to a 'so what' level (ie: at least low enough to not be in the news everyday). I get very annoyed with anyone idiotic enough to claim 'medical exemption' to masks who still goes out in public as if a mask is that dangerous for you then the virus (and pretty much any virus) has to be deadly for you too. My daughter has mild asthma and can wear a mask all day at school with no problem. She doesn't like it but doesn't complain either. I know people with much worse cases who also wear it all the time.

As to up here in Canada - I expect strict rules. We have cases jumping badly here due to some idiots in power in provinces who are sitting on billions earmarked for COVID relief instead of using it to put in place protections just so they can say 'see what a great job I did on the budget'. Grrrr. I live a 2 hour drive from Toronto and we are now in red territory with over 80 cases in our city of 400k yesterday. The Toronto area is in full lockdown now. The NHL (which is almost a religion here) might not be allowed to even have a 'Canada only' division due to it. So expect strong rules on border crossings. We get enough infections from idiots here who buy into the crap you guys have been fed (we get all your TV stations). We don't need prima donna athletes who think they are above the law to be flying in and doing lord knows what after and before games.
   7. asinwreck Posted: December 19, 2020 at 04:56 PM (#5995063)
Poorly, if the league's handling of pretty much everything over the past year is the basis of future behavior.
   8. JRVJ Posted: December 19, 2020 at 06:14 PM (#5995070)
6, thanks for your explanations about the Canada issue.

Seems to me that this is going to be a much bigger issue than anything else, especially for AL teams.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 19, 2020 at 07:13 PM (#5995077)
6, thanks for your explanations about the Canada issue.

Seems to me that this is going to be a much bigger issue than anything else, especially for AL teams.


The Buffalo Blue Jays has a nice ring to it.
   10. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 19, 2020 at 07:50 PM (#5995080)
Almost as good as the Cleveland Covids.
   11. John Northey Posted: December 20, 2020 at 12:53 AM (#5995186)
#10 = there we go, that is the winner for the new name for the Cleveland ballclub. If they play well, then it could indicate their opponents fear them, if they suck then it would indicate why the stands are empty.
   12. Zach Posted: December 22, 2020 at 07:23 PM (#5995600)
The legality of employer mandates isn't that interesting here since the point will end up being collectively bargained.

But given the amount of travel, physical exertion, and proximity to others entailed in the job (and the owners' desperation to sell tickets again!), I can't imagine it being optional. The best I'd do would be to offer a repeat of last year's option to sit out the year without pay.
   13. Lassus Posted: December 23, 2020 at 10:37 AM (#5995670)
two people in the UK went into anaphylaxis after getting it.

For a data-driven site, this is slightly weaksauce. I'm not sure how many other people in the UK have received it, but at least 600,000 have already received it in the US, and we're not seeing any additional reports of anaphylaxis out of... anywhere.
   14. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: December 23, 2020 at 10:47 AM (#5995671)
The vaccine is safe and effective, the disease is very much not safe.
   15. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 23, 2020 at 10:51 AM (#5995672)
#13 there were a couple of healthcare workers in Alaska who had serious adverse reactions as well, but I agree with your point. Also, this is one reason why vaccines are administered by medical professionals — so if someone has an adverse reaction it can be immediately treated.

That being said, I would not be heavy handed about forcing people to get the vaccine right now, unless we’re talking about people who work in nursing homes, etc. Demand is going to outpace supply for many months, let the people who want to get it, get it.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 23, 2020 at 11:55 AM (#5995689)
#13 there were a couple of healthcare workers in Alaska who had serious adverse reactions as well
OK, but Alaska's barely even a state.
   17. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: December 23, 2020 at 09:30 PM (#5995772)
Out of 30k vaccines given in NYC there's been 1 reaction. That's not materially higher than reactions to any other medicine.

The legal issue isn't that interesting because it's largely already settled. The EEOC has basically already said they don't see an issue. Everyone else will probably follow suit.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 23, 2020 at 10:07 PM (#5995779)
For a data-driven site, this is slightly weaksauce. I'm not sure how many other people in the UK have received it, but at least 600,000 have already received it in the US, and we're not seeing any additional reports of anaphylaxis out of... anywhere.

WTF are you talking about? The UK Gov't said people with allergy issues shouldn't take the vaccine.

People with a "significant history of allergic reactions" should not be given the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, UK health authorities said Wednesday, after two health care workers experienced symptoms after receiving a shot the day before.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/covid-vaccine-allergies-health-workers-uk-intl-gbr/index.html

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