Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Sunday, December 18, 2022

Jason R.R. Martinez on Twitter: “Updated Boston Red Sox projected roster” AFTER Justin Turner signs.

When I wrote that the Red Sox should be the Dodgers East I didn’t mean it literally.

Nevertheless, I like this sign. Turner hit well in the 2nd half last year and with more rest should be a nice complement at 3B, 1B and DH.

jimfurtado Posted: December 18, 2022 at 08:14 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: justin turner, red sox

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. karlmagnus Posted: December 18, 2022 at 10:40 PM (#6110098)
Sox management are fruitcakes. This guy is a 3 years older, significantly inferior version of JD Martinez and they're paying $5mm more for him. Henry has to have some complicated hedge fund trade whereby he makes more if they lose.
   2. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 18, 2022 at 11:28 PM (#6110100)
This guy is a 3 years older, significantly inferior version of JD Martinez


Well he and JD had essentially the same OPS+(with JD fading at the end and Turner getting better) and Bref reckons Turner was ok with the leather, so I'm not sure where you are seeing "significantly inferior"

You have been going on about Henry selling the team since 2002. Now I can't say for sure another owner may have been lucky enough to engineer 5! titles over the last 20 years, but I'm pretty sure that would not have happened so I'm pretty happy with the 4 they have won so far.

Now, like most fans, I'm a bit perplexed as to what their overall plan is. Personally I would've kept Renfroe and paid Schwarber(2 guys who liked playing in Boston). But then again I'm still angry they didn't offer Beltre decent money after the glorious single year he spent in Boston.

   3. John Reynard Posted: December 19, 2022 at 01:57 AM (#6110103)
Sox management are fruitcakes. This guy is a 3 years older, significantly inferior version of JD Martinez and they're paying $5mm more for him. Henry has to have some complicated hedge fund trade whereby he makes more if they lose.


Turner is signed to take over 3B after they trade Devers (probably at mid-season). If its not that, they're inscrutable or incompetent.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: December 19, 2022 at 08:59 AM (#6110107)
Three different reports on Turner's contract:

Jon Heyman: $14m in 2023, $8m player option in 2004

Alex Speier: $8.3m in 2023, $11.4m player option in 2024

Ken Rosenthal: $15m in 2023, $7.7m player option in 2024.

So if Turner turns into a pumpkin in 2023, the team is going to be paying him between $7.7m and $11.4m in 2024.

If he has a strong year, they will pay him between $8.3m and $15m for a one-year deal in 2023.

Turner will be 38 next season. His greatest value is that he is a slightly above-average hitter who can play a decent 3B or 1B. Basically, if Bobby Dalbec had worked out, he'd be playing this role. But you could argue that the two positions where the Red Sox are the most set for 2023 are...3B and 1B. And if you're going to use Turner as the primary DH, then this seems like a poor use of Turner - it is the fact he can play a passable 3B and 1B that makes him more valuable than, say, JD Martinez.

I am so confused by what the Red Sox are doing right now. The team says they couldn't afford to pay players like Bogaerts or Betts...but then they keep pissing away $10 million here and there: Jansen ($2/$32), Hernandez (1/$10), Turner (~2/$22?), Chris Martin (2/$17.5)...and these guys are old. Either these are "bridge" guys, trying to help buy a few more years of decent W/L record while the farm system continues to recover from the Dombrowski years; or the team genuinely thinks guys like this help the team fill in the blanks for a playoff run.
   5. jimfurtado Posted: December 19, 2022 at 09:52 AM (#6110110)
The one aspect about this deal that gives me pause is the Dodgers didn't pick up his $16 million option. I trust their player evaluation skills more than I trust the Red Sox.
   6. Textbook Editor Posted: December 19, 2022 at 11:50 AM (#6110122)
Turner is signed to take over 3B after they trade Devers (probably at mid-season). If its not that, they're inscrutable or incompetent.


I have zero doubt Turner is 3B next season, possibly by Opening Day. This signing tells me Devers is all but traded now, perhaps with Sale to get out from under that contract? Then they can be the Pirates for a few years and try to buy up any FAs still remaining in 2025. Good times.
   7. Russ Posted: December 19, 2022 at 12:27 PM (#6110125)
I am so confused by what the Red Sox are doing right now. The team says they couldn't afford to pay players like Bogaerts or Betts...but then they keep pissing away $10 million here and there: Jansen ($2/$32), Hernandez (1/$10), Turner (~2/$22?), Chris Martin (2/$17.5)...and these guys are old. Either these are "bridge" guys, trying to help buy a few more years of decent W/L record while the farm system continues to recover from the Dombrowski years; or the team genuinely thinks guys like this help the team fill in the blanks for a playoff run.


This is exactly what a team would do if its owners were trying to sell. You don't want the franchise to tank, but you also do not want to have a bunch of long term costs associated with the franchise because that would also affect the sale price.
   8. Textbook Editor Posted: December 19, 2022 at 01:20 PM (#6110130)
Yeah, FSG basically putting Liverpool up for sale is probably a massive red flag that the Red Sox will follow in short order.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 19, 2022 at 01:31 PM (#6110131)
This guy is a 3 years older, significantly inferior version of JD Martinez and they're paying $5mm more for him.

Turner has hit better than Martinez over the last 4 years, projects slightly better, and can actually play in the field. On a one-year deal, he's a much better get.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 19, 2022 at 01:32 PM (#6110132)
You don't want the franchise to tank, but you also do not want to have a bunch of long term costs associated with the franchise because that would also affect the sale price.

Don't new owners get an advantage on accelerated depreciation of players contracts? I just read something about that in regards to Steve Cohen's willingness to spend big.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: December 19, 2022 at 02:37 PM (#6110134)
Three different reports on Turner's contract:

The 2nd one doesn't really make sense unless there's something like a $2 M signing bonus not included in the $8.3 and something like a $3 M buyout if the option isn't exercised. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the disconnect here -- that it's something like 1/$14-15 guaranteed or a player option that takes it to 2/$22. The detail of the structure gets lost -- could well be something like $11 in 2023 with an $11 player option for 2024 with a $4 M "buyout."
   12. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 19, 2022 at 03:24 PM (#6110138)

#11 is that a thing -- a buyout if a player option isn't exercised? I've heard of a buyout to get out of a club option, but not when a player doesn't exercise his option. What would the team be buying out at that point?

I realize you can put pretty much anything in a contract so you may be right.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: December 19, 2022 at 03:45 PM (#6110144)
#11 is that a thing -- a buyout if a player option isn't exercised? I've heard of a buyout to get out of a club option, but not when a player doesn't exercise his option. What would the team be buying out at that point?
Yes, it's a thing, although "buyout" is probably a misnomer.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
A triple short of the cycle
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogWho is on the 2024 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot and what’s the induction process?
(295 - 6:25pm, Dec 01)
Last: Jaack

Hall of MeritHall of Merit Book Club
(16 - 6:06pm, Dec 01)
Last: ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

NewsblogForbes: For MLB, Las Vegas, And Oakland, The A’s Name And Brand Should Stay Put
(13 - 5:57pm, Dec 01)
Last: sunday silence (again)

NewsblogZack Britton details analytics ‘rift’ that’s plaguing Yankees
(6 - 5:54pm, Dec 01)
Last: sunday silence (again)

NewsblogUpdate on Yankees’ Juan Soto trade talks: Teams talking players, but not close on agreement
(22 - 5:53pm, Dec 01)
Last: RoyalsRetro (AG#1F)

NewsblogJackson Chourio extension: Brewers closing in on historic deal with MLB's No. 7 prospect, per report
(19 - 4:54pm, Dec 01)
Last: Rally

NewsblogOT - NBA Redux Thread for the End of 2023
(115 - 4:21pm, Dec 01)
Last: Tom Cervo, backup catcher

NewsblogOT Soccer - World Cup Final/European Leagues Start
(288 - 3:35pm, Dec 01)
Last: Infinite Yost (Voxter)

NewsblogSportsnet's Ben Wagner out as voice of Blue Jays radio broadcasts
(4 - 3:04pm, Dec 01)
Last: Ron J

NewsblogFormer Yankee Luis Severino agrees to 1-year, $13 million deal with Mets: reports
(25 - 1:49pm, Dec 01)
Last: Howie Menckel

NewsblogHot Stove Omnichatter
(48 - 1:05pm, Dec 01)
Last: JJ1986

NewsblogOT: Wrestling Thread November 2014
(3019 - 12:21pm, Dec 01)
Last: a brief article regarding 57i66135

NewsblogReds, RHP Nick Martinez agree to $26M deal, sources say
(9 - 10:39am, Dec 01)
Last: RoyalsRetro (AG#1F)

Hall of MeritMock Hall of Fame 2024 Contemporary Baseball Ballot - Managers, Executives and Umpires
(21 - 9:12am, Dec 01)
Last: DL from MN

NewsblogAndre Dawson Wants His Hall of Fame Cap Changed to the Cubs
(45 - 7:52pm, Nov 30)
Last: It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out

Page rendered in 0.3975 seconds
48 querie(s) executed