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Sunday, August 29, 2021

Javier Báez and Other Mets Players Give Fans Thumbs Down in Response to Boos

Javier Báez had some strong words for Mets fans after the team’s 9–4 win over the Nationals. Báez homered in the bottom of the fourth inning and celebrated with a thumbs down after the 444-foot bomb. When he was asked about the celebration, he said it was directed at the fans for their booing when the team struggles.

“We’re not machines,” Báez said. “We’re going to struggle seven times out of 10. It just feels bad when…I strike out and get booed, you know, it doesn’t really get to me but I want to let them [fans] know that when we’re successful, we’re going to do the same thing to let them know how it feels.

“If we win together then we got to lose together, and the fans are a really big part of it. In my case, they got to be better. I play for the fans and I love the fans but if they’re going to do that [boo] they’re just putting more pressure on the team, and that’s not what we want.”

 

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   1. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:36 PM (#6037016)
I remember Deion Sanders covering his ears during ovations whenever he did something good because he didn't like being cheered by the same people who booed him when he struggled. "Be true to your boo," he opined.
   2. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 29, 2021 at 08:38 PM (#6037023)
   3. Walt Davis Posted: August 29, 2021 at 08:54 PM (#6037025)
He has many flaws but if you don't love Javy Baez, you are not a baseball fan.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 08:56 PM (#6037026)
In my case, they got to be better.

In my case, YOU got to be better, pal.

82 OPS+ in 62 PA w 20 K and 3 BB.

mediocre Lindor joining the chorus (cue the early-season backers here who love how much "fun" he has out there, regardless of the score. might play in Peoria, doesn't play here. agree or disagree, it just doesn't.)

Mets fans are just relieved that Cohen won't double down on his Lindor folly by also signing his BFF this offseason.

and if you love a Johnny-come-lately scolding his new team's fans, you are not someone who has respect for baseball fans. guy is confused about who works for whom, and who pays whom's paychecks.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2021 at 09:23 PM (#6037028)
Mets Fans’ options: (1) Say you’re sorry by cheering; or (2) Boo louder. My money would be on #2, absent giving fans a legitimate reason to cheer.
   6. Adam Starblind Posted: August 29, 2021 at 09:36 PM (#6037029)
Alderson just released a statement saying this #### isn’t going to be tolerated. Hope Javy didn’t think he was going to be a Met next year.
   7. dejarouehg Posted: August 29, 2021 at 09:39 PM (#6037030)
I've never believed in booing...not that fans don't "have the right," but I just find it to be idiotic behavior.

That said, being in the unusual situation of being both a Cubs & Mets fan for the nearly 50 years, I have no idea what the Mets were thinking when they traded for Javy. (And I love the guy, but feel he has been on the downside for a couple of years.)

The last thing the Mets needed was another big swing-and-miss guy.

I heard Bowden the other day on MLB radio saying that he thought Javy would get a $200M contract. I just can't see who'd be stupid enough to do that (other than Steve Cohen, who was bullied into capitulating on the Lindor contract and might be dumb enough to do it again to justify giving up Pete Crow-Armstrong.)

I'm not offended by what Javy said or what the Mets players are doing. Not because the fans aren't right to be disappointed, I just find booing to be low class AND counter-productive.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 09:57 PM (#6037032)
I don't think booing is low class, but it can be counterproductive.

not nearly as counterproductive as these idiotic comments by Baez, obviously.

this goes back to Lindor "misreading the room" earlier in the year. they both don't get it.

you don't get to waltz into a new environment and dictate the terms of fandom. you just don't.

Mets new GM first announced the Baez trade - directed by Lindor - to Lindor in the clubhouse before a game, even before media knew it iirc. Lindor ran onto the field celebrating, no doubt further not endearing himself to McNeil and any teammates on his side.

I think this does end concerns about Cohen capitulating again. he's a fan himself - to a fault, btw.

the lack of self-awareness to by these two SSs does amaze me, I must say.
   9. Brian C Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:00 PM (#6037033)
guy is confused about who works for whom, and who pays whom's paychecks.

The Mets pay his paychecks ... doesn't sound like it's Javy that's confused about who works for whom.
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:04 PM (#6037034)
Alderson's full statement - apparently he also is confused (also, where do the Mets revenues stem from?)

"In a post-game press conference today, Javy Baez stated that his “thumbs down” gesture during the game was a message to fans who recently have booed him and other players for poor performance. These comments, and any gestures by him or other players with a similar intent, are totally unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

Mets fans are understandably frustrated over the team’s recent performance. The players and the organization are equally frustrated, but fans at Citi Field have every right to express their own disappointment. Booing is every fan’s right.

The Mets will not tolerate any player gesture that is unprofessional in its meaning or is directed in a negative way toward our fans. I will be meeting with our players and staff to convey this message directly.

Mets fans are loyal, passionate, knowledgeable and more than willing to express themselves. We love them for every one of these qualities."
   11. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:05 PM (#6037035)
Alderson just released a statement saying this #### isn’t going to be tolerated. Hope Javy didn’t think he was going to be a Met next year.

Could someone just tell Alderson to retire already? He has been with the Mets forever for so long and hasn't built a consistently good team.
   12. Brian C Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6037036)
Alderson's full statement - apparently he also is confused (also, where do the Mets revenues stem from?)

By any chance, are you one of those obnoxious jerks who harangues cashiers the grocery store about how you pay their salary so they have to do what you say?
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6037037)
wait, what? are grocery store cashiers now lecturing their customers? that would be weird - but, uh, I'd just walk out and go to another grocery store, thanks.

getting back to, um, baseball, have I missed a decades-long movement of newly-arrived players obnoxiously instructing the new fan base how to behave because they are the players so the fans have to do what they say?

links to previous examples would be welcomed. otherwise, wtf
   14. The Honorable Ardo Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:19 PM (#6037041)
Good, Baez is leaving the Mets. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a Tiger next spring.
   15. Brian C Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6037042)
My point is just that the fans don't pay the players' paychecks. It's an asinine and narcissistic way for fans (or customers of any business) to think.

Besides which, let's be realistc - no fans or advertisers are going to give the Mets any less money if Baez gets a little attitude with the fans. If anything, it'll help generate attention - the only thing NY fans like more than winning is pretending to be outraged over every little thing, just like you're doing here and can be reliably depended to do whenever a story like this pops up.
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:27 PM (#6037045)
Mr. Literal with the banal observation that the actual paycheck comes from Mets bank accounts. geesh, so stipulated.

but the Mets don't exist in a vacuum. or do they? maybe they have a money printing press?

also interesting that you sidestepped my response to your bizarre cashier tangent, as well as perhaps you are now indirectly conceding that newly-arrived players don't dictate terms to new fan bases.

if anyone is "reliable," it's someone who seems to think no player can do any wrong - or at least, not while wearing particular laundry.

it wouldn't kill you to admit how stupid Baez's comments were. probably.
   17. Brian C Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:40 PM (#6037047)
but the Mets don't exist in a vacuum. or do they? maybe they have a money printing press?

I mean, they sorta do? They've been the Mets for an awful long time, and their fans haven't abandoned them yet...
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:52 PM (#6037049)
well, the New York Mets' attendance finishes among NL teams, going back from 2019, before the COVID era, to 2010:

9th
10th
9th
5th reached postseason
6th won pennant
13th
13th
11th
9th
8th

I mean, is there a better example in MLB of a franchise whose market size is so out of alignment with their attendance rank?

does that strike you as, oh, a potential upside if you mainly win but also take the pulse of the fan base?

if they haven't been 'abandoned,' they sure haven't maximized the revenue potential, have they?

finally, I have to wonder at this point if these comments are more to take swings at me personally than making sense of the issue, looking at your replies.

can we just stick to the topic?
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:52 PM (#6037050)
Mets new GM first announced the Baez trade - directed by Lindor - to Lindor in the clubhouse before a game, even before media knew it iirc.


I've never before heard this idea that the media deserves to know of a trade before the players on the team do. That's almost as narcissistic as a player booing his own team's fans.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6037053)
sigh.

I've never before heard this idea that the just-arrived player deserves to know of a trade before any of the other players on the team do.

does that work for you?

and if this is another norm I'm not familiar with, links again would be appreciated.

also, one of the reasons that you do it with a grown-up like a Votto or a Freeman or a Molina is that they - a) probably didn't dictate the trade and b) even if they did, they wouldn't be dumb enough to run out on the field to celebrate their own navel-gazing pleasure that ignores how many others on the team would react to both the deal and to the navel-gazers' grasp of a clubhouse.
   21. dejarouehg Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6037054)
Not overly interested in the dynamic between McNeil and Lindor - McNeil's game is wearing thin.

Lindor is starting to give me that ARod superficial feeling (just smile and say silly ****) without any of the production.

   22. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 29, 2021 at 11:03 PM (#6037056)
I have no idea what the Mets were thinking when they traded for Javy. (And I love the guy, but feel he has been on the downside for a couple of years.)


I would say that Baez was the biggest surprise to me of the Cubs trades. Just because I don't think he's as objectively valuable as he seems valuable subjectively by fans. He's extremely fun - probably my favorite Cub to watch during this recent stretch - but a ton of that value is that he's extremely good at "the little things". But, I mean, they're called "the little things" for a reason. He's the greatest tagger that I've ever seen. But if I'm being honest, how much can a middle infielder's tagging ability really be worth?

As I said, I love Javy. And I get where he's coming from here. But he comes across as a bit of a dick here. And yeah, I would think this ends any chance that the Mets' double-play combo next season is Lindor-Baez.
   23. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 29, 2021 at 11:06 PM (#6037057)
I've never before heard this idea that the just-arrived player deserves to know of a trade before any of the other players on the team do.


How is this supposed to work, the GM is expected to gather all 25 players together and inform them of the trade all at once? This idea that there's some controversy over which player finds out about a trade first, or that any individual player can't be told until all of them are, or that the media deserves to find out first... None of it means anything. Literally no one is offended if Lindor finds out about a trade first, except media members trying create drama out of a situation where none exists.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 11:20 PM (#6037058)
Literally no one is offended if Lindor finds out about a trade first


this a fascinating and omniscient effort, I'll say that - literally - while completely ignoring how the rest of the dynamic played out.

beyond that, I think the discussion has been partly sidetracked by my presence, so I will bow out.

several posters more focused on Baez's actual comments, and in advancing the discussion, are providing what I am finding to be interesting thoughts on what is playing out here.

carry on.
   25. reech Posted: August 29, 2021 at 11:34 PM (#6037059)
And word just in from the clown owner- who clearly doesn't get what a bad look this is... especially after Sandy came out so strong :

Steven Cohen @StevenACohen2

I miss the days when the biggest controversy was the black jerseys
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2021 at 11:42 PM (#6037060)
My point is just that the fans don't pay the players' paychecks.
But the fans are a significant contributor to the revenue stream that pays the players, which is one reason why players don’t normally criticize their fans, and in fact go out of their way to pay homage to them. Perhaps not all claims that “our fans are the greatest” are sincere, but they are frequent. Personally, I think booing your team’s players is usually uncalled for - they are doing their best, most of the time. Loafing may be a bit different. Baez is quite a freeswinger, and has started his Mets tenure at a 200 strikeout a season pace, so a bit of humility would seem in order, even if it’s a bit forced.
   27. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: August 30, 2021 at 12:12 AM (#6037061)
I think if Baez goes out and gives the fans a few thumbs-ups, this will blow over. But maybe not. There is a weird psychology to the Mets universe I don't understand. And if Baez doesn't play well it won't matter.
   28. John Northey Posted: August 30, 2021 at 01:27 AM (#6037065)
Don't like the boos, then play better. Fans have every right to boo a team when they suck. They are 9-19 in August, pushing them from 1st to 3rd. After games of July 31st they were in 1st in the NL East with a 4 game lead. Now they are 3rd 7 1/2 back (7 out of the wild card). 11 1/2 game drop in a month. Ugh. How could the fans help but boo that? They thought they were watching a playoff team and over 1 month they became a sub-500 team instead.
   29. DFA Posted: August 30, 2021 at 01:30 AM (#6037066)
This is such a non story. Where indicated, the fans should boo. IMO not enough fans boo, especially on the West Coast. And it's awesome that Baez is making it a rallying cry. Players are people, at least mostly. The team should rally together, and the fans should boo lackluster performance. It's just a game after all. JMO.
   30. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 06:23 AM (#6037069)
They are 9-19 in August,
So… 5 games better than the Orioles.
   31. . Posted: August 30, 2021 at 07:02 AM (#6037070)
Told all y'all before the season Lindor wasn't really even all that good.

Baez obviously isn't close to cut out to play in New York. It happens.
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 07:19 AM (#6037072)
I don’t believe in booing players when they are giving maximum effort and merely underperforming, but Baez is wrong. Been here for 5 minutes, injured for 3 of them and playing poorly for the rest. This isn’t the right way to respond to the booing.

Howie has had a misplaced thing against Lindor all season. The guy had a bad start at the plate but anchored the defense and the bat has been coming around. They overpaid him but he’ll still be a great player for them as long as he stays healthy.
   33. bfan Posted: August 30, 2021 at 08:38 AM (#6037074)
Two things wrong/misdirected on the Baez statements above:

1. the quote is either succeed 3 out of 10 times or fail 7 out of 10 times. It is not "struggle7 out of 10 times.". Many players hit the ball hard and well more than 3 times out of 10; it is just within a fielder's range.

2. I sense Mets fans would be thrilled if Baez upped his struggling ABs to 7 out of 10 times. He is hitting nowhere near .300 for the year, and has been on-base .258 since becoming a Met (his Met tenure is smaller sample size, but that is the relevant metric, since it isn't Cub fans that are booing him).
   34. Adam Starblind Posted: August 30, 2021 at 08:51 AM (#6037077)
And word just in from the clown owner- who clearly doesn't get what a bad look this is... especially after Sandy came out so strong :

Steven Cohen @StevenACohen2

I miss the days when the biggest controversy was the black jerseys


The horror. Someone take his adult children away.
   35. . Posted: August 30, 2021 at 09:10 AM (#6037078)
Baez doesn't give anything close to "maximum effort," both on the field and philosophically. He doesn't always run on the field and philosophically, he's willing to sacrifice nothing to his oafish flailing. Sometimes he gives maximum effort.

Lindor's OPS+ is 89. He got paid based on his 2018, which is now three years in the past and a pretty clear outlier. The trend line since then is straight down, which some of us noted in the offseason.
   36. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 30, 2021 at 09:34 AM (#6037084)
Baez doesn't give anything close to "maximum effort," both on the field and philosophically.


Perhaps he's completely changed in the four weeks since being traded. I had several criticisms of Javy in Chicago, but lacking in effort wasn't really one of them.
   37. Charles S. is pretty fast for an old guy Posted: August 30, 2021 at 10:23 AM (#6037091)
Javy gives maximum effort when it matters. He doesn't "fake hustle" his way to second base while the shortstop waits for his pop-up to come down. Fans looking for a reason to get down on him will point to that, but regardless of his obvious flaws, no one on the Cubs played harder or had better baseball instincts during these recent glory days than Javy. I haven't watched him with the Mets, but I can't imagine he's changed that much.
   38. Greg Pope Posted: August 30, 2021 at 10:35 AM (#6037094)
I'm thinking this is just culture shock for Baez. He was probably never booed in Chicago, the fans here (including me) absolutely adore him. Sure, he has flaws, but we understand that.

Going into a new environment where the fans don't know him, I'm not surprised he was booed. And also not surprised that he reacted poorly to being booed by the home fans for the first time in his career.
   39. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 30, 2021 at 10:37 AM (#6037095)
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   40. Padraic Posted: August 30, 2021 at 10:50 AM (#6037097)
   41. the third angel Posted: August 30, 2021 at 10:50 AM (#6037098)
I don't believe in booing (with the occasional exception for umpires); utter silence is a better negative response, in my opinion. Nonetheless, I am a traditionalist. Booing (and even heckling) has always been the paying fan's right. Baez has a bad case of rabbit ears.
   42. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 11:06 AM (#6037101)
@Buster_ESPN
It’s impossible to think of another prospective free agent making a bigger public relations mistake then Javier Baez did today. Burned one bridge, and likely severely damaged his chances w other teams. Francisco Lindor needs to prepare an explanation for his participation, too.


lol, there is no way this affects his chances with other teams, and if it does, they're stupid.
   43. . Posted: August 30, 2021 at 11:20 AM (#6037105)
Javy gives maximum effort when it matters.


Translation: He doesn't give maximum effort.

I'm thinking this is just culture shock for Baez. He was probably never booed in Chicago, the fans here (including me) absolutely adore him. Sure, he has flaws, but we understand that.


That's the difference between KC, St. Louis, Minneapolis, and Chicago on the one hand ... and NYC on the other. We're about performance and production here and if you don't perform and produce, you hear about it. It's always been that way. Some people can't handle it. It's always been that way, too.
   44. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 30, 2021 at 11:24 AM (#6037109)
Ah yes, Chicago is well known for its cordial fans and polite, undemanding media.
   45. . Posted: August 30, 2021 at 11:29 AM (#6037111)
It's not NYC or even close, which is why the fans here have got a taste of Javy's act and voted a pretty quick thumbs down. It's not playing here in the least.
   46. Baldrick Posted: August 30, 2021 at 11:31 AM (#6037112)
Don't like the boos, then play better.

Don't like players being mean to you, then don't be mean to them.
   47. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 30, 2021 at 11:39 AM (#6037116)
It's not NYC or even close, which is why the fans here have got a taste of Javy's act and voted a pretty quick thumbs down. It's not playing here in the least.


Yes, yes, we're all familiar with the most entitled fanbase in North American sports.
   48. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 30, 2021 at 12:05 PM (#6037123)
I just can't get worked up over this. Yeah, players probably shouldn't antagonize fans, but I think Alderson only brought more attention to it. You call the team in, tell them to knock it off, and move on.
   49. The Duke Posted: August 30, 2021 at 12:16 PM (#6037125)
How much would Cohen have to eat right now to deal lindor? If you could get lindor for 10-170/200 (and you needed a SS to put you in contention or keep you in contention), would you do it ?
   50. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 30, 2021 at 01:29 PM (#6037144)
Baez back to Chicago in free agency, or has that ship sailed?
   51. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6037155)
Javy gives maximum effort when it matters. He doesn't "fake hustle" his way to second base while the shortstop waits for his pop-up to come down.

That's a really bad example. You look absolutely foolish if you're not standing on 2B on the rare occasion the IF loses the pop-up. It does happen. Ask Luis Castillo and the Mets fans here.
   52. . Posted: August 30, 2021 at 02:34 PM (#6037161)
Nor of course do the fans think he was "being mean" to them; they think he's an unproductive dick.
   53. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6037162)
I just can't get worked up over this. Yeah, players probably shouldn't antagonize fans, but I think Alderson only brought more attention to it. You call the team in, tell them to knock it off, and move on.

Took the words right out of my mouth. The whining about Baez is just so thin-skinned and babyish IMO.
   54. Charles S. is pretty fast for an old guy Posted: August 30, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6037174)
That's a really bad example. You look absolutely foolish if you're not standing on 2B on the rare occasion the IF loses the pop-up. It does happen. Ask Luis Castillo and the Mets fans here.

But it's such a vanishingly rare occurrence that it's nothing short of analytical malpractice to put much stock in it. Do you want the guy who runs like a crazy person on a pop-up where he's out 999 out of 1000 times, or do you want the guy regularly hustles his way to extra bases, scrambles his way out of rundowns and occasionally hypnotizes a rookie into forgetting the rules of baseball? I'll take the latter.
   55. The Duke Posted: August 30, 2021 at 03:25 PM (#6037187)
Cohen pours more fuel into the fire. Excellent. Maybe we did get Steinbrenner back.
   56. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6037190)
Do you want the guy who runs like a crazy person on a pop-up where he's out 999 out of 1000 times, or do you want the guy regularly hustles his way to extra bases, scrambles his way out of rundowns and occasionally hypnotizes a rookie into forgetting the rules of baseball? I'll take the latter.

Yes.
   57. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 04:06 PM (#6037199)
But it's such a vanishingly rare occurrence that it's nothing short of analytical malpractice to put much stock in it. Do you want the guy who runs like a crazy person on a pop-up where he's out 999 out of 1000 times, or do you want the guy regularly hustles his way to extra bases, scrambles his way out of rundowns and occasionally hypnotizes a rookie into forgetting the rules of baseball? I'll take the latter.

Why not do both? What does a player gain by giving up on a play? Don't tell me going an extra 90 feet is going to "wear him out". No one's asking him to flat out sprint, just make an effort and run. 4-5 times a game, it's really not a big ask.
   58. Charles S. is pretty fast for an old guy Posted: August 30, 2021 at 04:19 PM (#6037205)
You wouldn't think it's that big an ask, but as you know, pretty much no one does it. That probably means it's a bigger ask than we think. Javy Baez does it more than most. More enough that it's noticeable to the casual fan. I've watched 90+ percent of his games as a Cub, and I cannot name a player I've seen hustle more than Javy does since he came to the big leagues in 2014, but I guess I don't watch every team, every game.
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 04:30 PM (#6037210)
You wouldn't think it's that big an ask, but as you know, pretty much no one does it. That probably means it's a bigger ask than we think.

I think it just means managers have lost all power over their players. They get paid so much, they do what they want.
   60. Charles S. is pretty fast for an old guy Posted: August 30, 2021 at 05:26 PM (#6037240)
Well, they hustle now more than they did when I started watching baseball in the early 70s. I don't think the money is to blame. It's just something that must be harder than we fans recognize.
   61. . Posted: August 30, 2021 at 05:45 PM (#6037250)
Well, they hustle now more than they did when I started watching baseball in the early 70s.


You gotta be kidding. I'm more of a mid-to-late 70s starter, and it's not even close. And, no, that's not just the kid in me talking; I've confirmed it on YouTubes and the like. And of course, the doubles/triples ratio numbers also tend to strongly confirm it.

NBA players play harder now than they did then. So do NHL players. MLB? No way.
   62. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 30, 2021 at 05:56 PM (#6037256)
Baez won the Mets a game with a ridiculous slide into home earlier this month. I’ll take a few plays like that over the guy who sprints on a pop-up, even though I’d love a guy who can do both.
   63. dejarouehg Posted: August 30, 2021 at 06:33 PM (#6037265)
Don't like the boos, then play better. Fans have every right to boo a team when they suck.

Sure, because that's a real productive way for the players you supposedly want to perform better, actually perform better.
(Funny, I've never gone to a show where people boo. I saw Chrissy Hynde (sp?) get booed at the Nassau Coliseum because she was ######## about the people in the front taking pictures with their phone.)

Ah yes, Chicago is well known for its cordial fans and polite, undemanding media.
Pretty Much.

The guy had a bad start at the plate but anchored the defense
Not sure what you're watching but Lindor has been a huge disappointment defensively. He constantly backs up on balls he should charge, as he did again last night, making plays unnecessarily close, if he even makes them. His angles on balls are atrocious. I'm much less concerned about his defense long-term than his hitting but there is nothing he's done to be optimistic about.

I don't believe in booing (with the occasional exception for umpires); utter silence is a better negative response, in my opinion. Nonetheless, I am a traditionalist. Booing (and even heckling) has always been the paying fan's right. Baez has a bad case of rabbit ears.
Completely agree, except for the umpire booing and the notion that just because you purchased a ticket, you have the right to be a d-b. Sorry, I just don't believe in booing anyone because they're performing poorly. If they're an a-hole, like Trevor Bauer or any of these other tough guys who like to hit women, boo away. But because a player is playing crappy, nope.
   64. dejarouehg Posted: August 30, 2021 at 06:40 PM (#6037267)
Clearly, Baez is thin-skinned. But, if you listen to these talk show hosts and fans calling in, they are setting the new standard for thin-skinned. Holy ####, stop your whining.
   65. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 31, 2021 at 01:49 AM (#6037338)
The Mets have gone from being one of the worst fielding teams in the league to one of the best. Lindor has been +5 in the field while the guy he replaced, Rosario, has been -10 in Cleveland. I haven’t been able to watch many games since he came back from injury, but I watched the majority of games prior to his injury and the defense was night and day compared to the last couple of seasons, and Lindor was the biggest part of that (also, JD Davis being out for half the season helped too).
   66. Lassus Posted: August 31, 2021 at 06:43 AM (#6037345)
I've confirmed it on YouTubes

Heh.

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