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Jays’ Guerrero Jr. feeling strong after offseason workouts

TORONTO (AP) — After a winter of workouts more intense than any he’d experienced before, Toronto Blue Jays slugger Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is feeling strong.

The Blue Jays laid out a detailed offseason plan for their star third baseman, asking him to drop weight and boost endurance, increasing his resistance to baseball’s inevitable wear and tear.

Less than one month before spring training, Guerrero spoke positively about the team-designed workout plan he’s been following.

“I feel a lot better and it’s been working well for me,” Guerrero said through a translator. “I feel a big change in me. I feel lighter.

Well, we’d kind of hope so, as the alternative isn’t very promising in the slightest.

 

QLE Posted: February 07, 2020 at 01:16 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: best shape of his life, blue jays, vladimir guerrero jr.

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   1. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 07, 2020 at 08:31 AM (#5922575)
Not often you get a "best shape of his life" article about someone that isn't even of legal drinking age.

   2. bfan Posted: February 07, 2020 at 05:34 PM (#5922755)
If he is of the talent level many believe, the team ought to hire him a personal chef, to control the calorie side of the equation, to get the maximum out of Vlady Jr. When Kevin Garnett did this, it added immensely to his then current talent level and also added years to his career. If it is a cost issue, they can make Vlady Jr. pick up the cost when he moves over the league minimum salary for his class year.
   3. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 07, 2020 at 05:51 PM (#5922761)
On the baseball side this is what Rafael Devers did last winter too.

I think nutrition is an area where for a very small amount of money teams can make a huge difference. I'd have nutritionists and chefs going with every team in the organization all the way down to the rookie leagues. Teach people to eat correctly and how to take care of their bodies.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 07, 2020 at 08:09 PM (#5922794)
I think nutrition is an area where for a very small amount of money teams can make a huge difference. I'd have nutritionists and chefs going with every team in the organization all the way down to the rookie leagues. Teach people to eat correctly and how to take care of their bodies.

Maybe they don't want to.
   5. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 07, 2020 at 08:24 PM (#5922800)
But why wouldn’t they? I’m not expecting them to do it for altruistic reasons but players who take better care of themselves are going to be in better shape, presumably will perform better and should be expected to be healthier. This seems valuable to an organization.
   6. puck Posted: February 07, 2020 at 08:25 PM (#5922801)
I assume snapper meant players want to eat doritos and drink mountain dew all day like I did when I was 22.
   7. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 07, 2020 at 08:33 PM (#5922803)
Oh. That’s probably true but I suspect minor leaguers who aren’t exactly rolling in money would enjoy at least the occasional well cooked meal. Also, just because they aren’t eating that food doesn’t mean they aren’t learning and that can have benefits down the road when the players are further along.

Beyond that, why not try? Teams do all kinds of stuff that doesn’t work, why not try it out? The cost on this is going to be negligible for an MLB team. I feel like it’s something worth trying.
   8. O Tempura, O Morays ('Spos) Posted: February 07, 2020 at 09:21 PM (#5922815)
I think the specific case of Vladito is that he is following his father's example and eating mostly what his family prepares. In Vlad Senior's case, his mother cooked most of his meals throughout his career.
   9. Jack Sommers Posted: February 07, 2020 at 10:07 PM (#5922817)
"I feel lighter"....

What..is this a guess ? How about..."I lost 20 pounds".

It's B.S. to me. He has a weight problem, probably always will, and it lowers his ceiling.

I've felt this way since Arizona Fall League 2018
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 08, 2020 at 12:55 AM (#5922838)
TFA has a 1/18/20 photo. Hard to tell from what’s shown, but not obvious he’s lost much weight.
   11. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: February 08, 2020 at 03:31 AM (#5922841)
Not often you get a "best shape of his life" article about someone that isn't even of legal drinking age.

I believe the legal drinking age in Toronto is 19.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2020 at 12:11 PM (#5922867)
I assume snapper meant players want to eat doritos and drink mountain dew all day like I did when I was 22.

Right. Professional sports can't get a large percentage of their players to stop getting drunk or high every night, what makes you think you can get these young guys to stick to a healthy diet?
   13. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 08, 2020 at 02:55 PM (#5922892)
In one of his books, Bill Veeck told the story of a player he had when he owned the Milwaukee minor league team. Guy was a really good hitter, but overweight and really liked his beer. Veeck felt if he could just get him to cut back a little bit on the beer and lose a few pounds he'd be a better hitter and Veeck would be able to sell him to a major league team.

So he went to work on him, getting him to eat better food, get to bed early rather than going out drinking, take a little exercise. Some pounds came off, but the guy just stopped hitting. He was miserable, and Veeck realized that this was just who the guy was. If you let him be himself, he was a pretty good minor-league hitter, but that was his ceiling. Now, maybe if there had been millions of dollars in prospect if he could've gotten to the big leagues he would've been able to motivate himself to make the effort. But even that isn't a sure thing. Many people would rather make do with less--be fat and happy--rather than bust their ass to possibly get more $$$.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: February 08, 2020 at 04:28 PM (#5922900)
what makes you think you can get these young guys to stick to a healthy diet?

By providing them with free meals, cooked by your guy, served in the clubhouse (before BP, after the game). What is the poinnt of paying people poverty wages if you're going to let them make their own life decisions? Sure, they might use some of their meager wages to supplement with Oreos and KFC but hopefully they'll stick to hookers and blow. Maybe providing them with meals makes it harder to argue in court that minor-leaguers are just lovable scamps who have run off to join the circus for the summer.

Hard to tell from what’s shown, but not obvious he’s lost much weight.

Exercise does very little to help you lose weight. Losing weight is about burning more than you consume and even regular big workouts doesn't really burn that much. What exercise does is "convert" fat to muscle. It is perfectly possible that he is stronger, fitter and has more endurance without losing an ounce. You will however (usually) be "trimmer" since an ounce of muscle takes up less space than an ounce of fat and given you will likely also be more agile, you may even "feel lighter."

It's also possible this is just another "best shape of his life" story.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2020 at 04:49 PM (#5922904)
By providing them with free meals, cooked by your guy, served in the clubhouse (before BP, after the game). What is the poinnt of paying people poverty wages if you're going to let them make their own life decisions? Sure, they might use some of their meager wages to supplement with Oreos and KFC but hopefully they'll stick to hookers and blow. Maybe providing them with meals makes it harder to argue in court that minor-leaguers are just lovable scamps who have run off to join the circus for the summer.

All I'm saying is they'll eat some of the healthy stuff and then eat the junk food too. They're not eating KFC and McDonalds, and swigging beer b/c they're starving and that's all that's available. They're doing it b/c that stuff tastes good.

Also color me skeptical that diet matters much for healthy 18-25 y.o.s. who get tons of exercise.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: February 08, 2020 at 08:31 PM (#5922923)
I agree. Nutrition just won't matter that much to these kids.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: February 09, 2020 at 02:10 AM (#5922950)
Except a lot of it is that they are paid like crap, spend much of their time in hotels (where there aren't cooking facilities) and don't get off work until about 11 pm and there ain't a lot open to eat at 11 pm in Kinston NC. (a) If the team feeds them then they won't be as hungry when they're on their own; (b) the beer they are drinking does not taste good (maybe some crappy RTDs do). Anyway, of course you won't get them to stop eating junk food entirely, you won't turn them into healthy eaters during the offseason -- that's not the goal, the goal is to cut them back from 14-21 shitty meals a week to 7-12 by giving them something along the lines of 14 free decent meals per week.

Besides, the quality control coach needs to do something to argue for a raise next year.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 09, 2020 at 04:38 PM (#5923029)
about 11 pm and there ain't a lot open to eat at 11 pm in Kinston NC. (a) If the team feeds them then they won't be as hungry when they're on their own; (b) the beer they are drinking does not taste good (maybe some crappy RTDs do). Anyway, of course you won't get them to stop eating junk food entirely, you won't turn them into healthy eaters during the offseason -- that's not the goal, the goal is to cut them back from 14-21 shitty meals a week to 7-12 by giving them something along the lines of 14 free decent meals per week.


I think you'd do a lot better if you just gave them normal food every day. Don't try and make it "healthy". Serve them burgers, steak, chicken, pasta, pork chops, etc. cooked by a decent chef. Homemade normal food beats the crap out of fast food, health-wise, and they'll actually like it.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 09, 2020 at 11:41 PM (#5923103)
I think if you hire a decent chef they can prepare tasty food that is actually pretty good for you, or at least healthier versions of the crap they are buying when they eat out.

“ Exercise does very little to help you lose weight. Losing weight is about burning more than you consume and even regular big workouts doesn't really burn that much.”

I’m not a nutritionist or a trainer, but big workouts can definitely burn a lot of calories, especially for a guy like Vlad who weighs 250+ lbs. Get him jogging for 30 minutes and he’ll burn 500+ calories each time, even at a very modest pace*. Or put him on a stationary bike for an hour if you’re worried about running related injuries. That’s the equivalent of 3+ beers, or 3+ cans of soda, or a Big Mac. What I don’t know is how much they already have him working out. It may be that he’s already doing a ton and the diet really is the problem.

Some people don’t lose weight when they do cardio because they get hungrier and eat more and simply replace the calories. To your point, they still may get leaner / more fit. (And some people are just doing low intensity workouts. Which is great if that’s what they want to do, but they’re not burning very many calories).

* I’m being pretty conservative here. I know guys Vlad’s size who are burning 600-700 in a 30 minute workout, and they are not pro athletes like he is. One guy went from 330 lbs to 240 in a year while training for his first marathon.
   20. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 10, 2020 at 12:11 AM (#5923109)

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