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One of the sadder trends over the past 35 years** has been the constant ratcheting / dumbing down of the word "conservative". We're at a point now where the species is virtually extinct, having been hijacked by nihilists like Trump and virtual fascists like DeSantis.
Of all the epithets in the realm of politics, has any been more corrosively effective than "RINO"? An entire party is now cowering in fear of being labeled with that word.
** Roughly since the rise of Limbaugh and nationally syndicated right wing talk radio. Prior to Rush, the Bob Grants of the world were mostly a local or regional phenomenon.
And as long as we're in the realm of the guessing, Cannon was rather embarrassingly spanked by the appeals courts. It's certainly possible she might have learned a lesson.
I had to laugh at something I saw from him last week when the indictment dropped -
It's such peak, perfect Vichy... when the time is right
The complete shedding of any hint of principle mattering? Check.
Paralyzing fear of losing the majority of their voting base? Check.
Pathological determination to avoid the slightest hint of "those people I hate might be right about something"? Check.
It *will* never be the right time for such folks, including Some Here.
Kristol, Romney, Cheney, Christie, Sykes, Jonah Goldberg, David French, Jeff Flake, John Bolton, Richard Armitage, Denver Riggleman, Peggy Noonan, Kelly Ayotte, Joe Walsh, Mark Sanford, John Kasich, McCains, etc...
It doesn't matter when, it doesn't matter how, it doesn't what your credentials were previously. Go against Dear Leader? The Cult will eject you. Full stop.
Iran, actually, I believe
Trump will not pull out, even if he is convicted and sentenced. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that being tried and convicted does not disqualify him from running and even being elected. It would make him want it even more, so he can pardon himself. And he will continue to get a plurality of the primary vote, because the members of his cult of personality will never abandon him, no matter what, which in this splintered field probably guarantees him the nomination because the GOP, unlike the Dems, do not award delegates proportional to vote. But the General Election is another matter, since a sizable number of moderates and independents are likely to be turned off by the prospect of the Commander in Chief being the Convict in Chief.
As to Cannon my personal take is she is never going to recuse herself, because that would be an admission of bias, which she won't want to make, and the 11th won't and probably can't do anything about it. She can push things in Trump's favor without any ruling being egregious or reversible. The biggest thing would be to push the trial off until after the election. She can grant all matter of continuance, and I don't think it is even appealable, but I don't practice criminal law, so I am not sure.
Sorry, Juannity - I thought I was transparent enough to make it clear that you are a prototypical example of what I’m talking about - the slavish, cowardly, opportunistic, shitweasely jellyfish - but looking it up, I see that I left Paul Ryan off my list. My apologies.
Here’s where you should probably whatabout some series of tankies like Glenn Greenwald, Tim Pool, Michael Traecy or whatever other nihilistic conspiracy theorist you used to claim were representative of your paranoid delusions about your enemies but you now suddenly count as fellow travelers.
You're talking about a media outlet that decided to start a sports blog and hired JE.
It doesn't matter when, it doesn't matter how, it doesn't what your credentials were previously. Go against Dear Leader? The Cult will eject you. Full stop.
None of the above particularly surprised me when they jumped ship. After all, in the past they've all shown at least an occasional display of principle.
But I'm glad I was sitting down when the Whatabouts-in-Chief Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz said that this time Trump had gone too far. You could've knocked me over with a Martha's Vineyard cocktail party invitation.
Eugene Debs, Lyndon LaRouche, and Joe Exotic all ran for POTUS from prison…. Well, “is running” in the case of Joe Exotic. Multiply LaRouche times Exotic and you probably end up with Trump.
For example, Goldberg and Hayes both left Fox in a huff, citing "principles" over Carlson downplaying J6 (which reeked of performative BS, as their contracts were almost certainly not being renewed), only to move to CNN and NBC respectively, the resistance networks that for several years had pimped the Russia collusion hoax, going so far as to hire principals McCabe, Clapper, Brennan, Lisa Page, and Weissmann.
Now if Greenwald and Assange turn against Trump, then I'll *really* be reaching for a stiff drink. After that there can only be Putin himself.
EDIT: By the way, Dershowitz's WSJ op-ed still includes this note of caution:
Like I said, doesn’t matter. No amount of credentials or history “counts”.
In any event, I'm pretty sure all of the above, except maybe Clown Conway, have qualified their comments with some variation of "if true."
So what will you be saying, "if true" leads to a conviction? And what leads you to believe that the charges aren't "true"?
As I've said elsewhere, Trump may have committed one or more criminal acts.
What most grievously harms the polity is the selective enforcement. Go back and look at my comments here from around the 5th of July in 2016. I might have scoffed at the arguments used and why it was Comey, not Lynch, in front of that microphone, but generally agreed with the decision not to prosecute Hillary, as she was a major party's candidate for POTUS, and therefore that sort of discretion was warranted.
1. Trump is only being charged on the materials that required a search warrant to retrieve. That’s why he’s facing only 31 counts specific to the documents rather than 19,000.
2. Refusing to comply with multiple request *and* a subpoena *and* then actively sought to hide docs from any search. This why he’s facing obstruction charges.
3. There are two allegations that he actually shared these materials with others - one on tape FFS! - allegations that do not exist in the whattabout cases. That’s why he’s being charged under the espionage act.
4. The nature of the materials in question differs substantially.
Anyone ignoring at least 1-3 is not a serious or honest person.
Yes, JE is dishonest, and yet you engage with him. We've known since the failure of the second impeachment (if not before) that the GOP refuses any attempt to hold Trump accountable for even the most egregious behavior, and you know instead we'll get post hoc bull #### talking points ("selective enforcement" sounds like it might buy a day or two). I don't see the point here.
Exactly. He and others require charges and proof so powerful that even they would agree that Trump is guilty, then cite their failure to agree that Trump is guilty as proof that the charges and evidence against Trump are a witch hunt and that he is being treated unfairly.
It is a neat little trick, but one that is duplicitous at its core.
I have also heard, and I can't verify if it is true, that there were other documents found during the search that they are not charging him with because they are so sensitive that they don't want to take any chance that their contents would be revealed during the legal proceedings.
There may be five million reasons why Congressman Raskin puts party over country.
* Not in the MSM, of course, since nearly all of them run interference for the White House.
C'mon, seriously? I'm pretty sure Trump is guilty as hell, but we all know that if the same evidence was discovered in regards to Obama, there's no way in hell Garland indicts. Trump being guilty, and the prosecution being politically motivated can both be true.
You seriously think that if A)Obama refused a request to return materials he wasn't supposed to have, B)defied a subpoena to return them, C)plotted to hide them, D)those materials related to the highest levels of nuclear/defense secrets, and D)all four of these items were recorded on tape...
Seriously?
News flash: Garland did not indict Trump. Neither did Biden despite what Fox News claims.
Seriously?
Yes. A Democratic administration would have never even filed the subpoena. They would have hushed it up.
I say that as someone who wants Donald Trump to vanish from the face of the earth immediately.
Distinction without a difference. Do you think any of this happens if Garland or Biden says not to?
After Comey declined to charge Clinton, I asked an Army Intel colleague, who conducted damage assessments of mishandled classified information as part of their "other duties as assigned", their opinion. They answered that "you wouldn't believe the sh$t that goes on". They went on to explain that in almost all cases they investigated, they discovered prior mishandling, sufficient for at least loss of clearance if not prosecution, that was overlooked or ignored by the person's management.
Bottom line: They were not surprised that Clinton did not get charged, since they didn't think that what she was accused of was any more damaging than lots of stuff other people did that was also not prosecuted. So contrary to your opinion, in the real world, lots of mishandling of classified info doesn't get prosecuted.
FTR, they didn't give me an actual opinion about whether they thought she should have been prosecuted, but the way they deflected the conversation into examples of things other people did that weren't prosecuted lead me to the conclusion that they weren't outraged by the decision.
Yes, the purpose of appointing a special prosecutor seems to be getting lost here.
After what John Durham was allowed to do -- and I'd guess you know who that is -- I'm pretty confident Smith was allowed to exercise his own judgment.
I think that you're seriously overlooking or ignoring the long road to get there - it was more than a *year* of repeated requests that became demands that became demands with threats that then became a subpoena that then had finally became a search warrant.
I suppose there's no way to know, but I feel pretty certain had he simply complied within the first *more than a year* (up to the point of leaving no choice BUT to subpoena), there would have been no charges. I'm less sure, but highly suspect that even just complying in between subpoena and/before search warrant, there also would be no charges.
Given the nature of the materials, I don't think it is realistic to believe any DOJ would *not* have filed a subpoena.
I call it "The Dance of the Monkey".
Plus the Trump appointed USA in Delaware who has been investigating Biden's own son since 2018. Biden left him in place so that he could continue the investigation.Meanwhile, Republican candidates for president are vowing, or at least saying they would consider pardoning Trump if they get elected. This, while we are at least a year away from a trial even.
Had they done that, I would expect a loud and public resignation by Smith, or any other special counsel. Again, Biden has the power to shut down the criminal investigation of his son, and yet he leaves the Trump appointed USA to continue his work.
IANAL but it seems like establishing that your client is full of #### might pose some problems when the FBI claims that your client tried to bull #### his way through negotiations for the return of classified documents.
But yes, if Obama were a lying criminal treason weasel, then I would expect a Biden administration to go after him and I would object strenuously if that administration did not do the right thing.
Note: I am not suggesting Obama is perfect, and I am sure the WhatAbout crowd can summon the usual suspects of not-really-scandals to attack Obama. Well, feel free. They were not real scandals then and won't be now, certainly nothing to hold a candle to the purported crimes of the lying criminal treason weasel.
To be fair, it's virtually impossible to imagine any of the other presidents being caught up in this particular scandal. It is spectacular in its stupidity.
I am fairly certain both are illegal since he wasn't allowed to have the documents, knew they were classified, and in one example explicitly stated that he could have declassified it when he was president, but now he can't. I bet the prosecutor found it super-handy that Trump recorded his own guilt in such a clear and concise fashion.
Wouldn't those have to be charged in NJ and not FL? In any event, I think the value of that taped exchange to the prosecution is not that they have something else to charge him for, but to preemptively sink a couple of possible defenses: that they were already de-classified, and that he did not know it was wrong to have and share these documents.
(He's not being charged for any non-classified documents, even though he unlawfully retained many of them, as well.)
My takeaway is that the prosecution is being as generous as possible in what they are charging. They are not charging every possible thing they can, instead, they are being very selective and exacting as to what they are charging. I wouldn't assume that the lying criminal treason weasel was totally blameless for anything not specifically charged.
They had more than enough to charge him with and (I assume) picked the charges they felt best about making the case.
I don't even know what this means. Are we pretending that the prosecutors charged every possible count they count have? Because that notion is absurd and you know it.
And for the record, I have not opined on the solidity of the charges, but rather mostly on the lying criminal treason weasel nature of the defendant.
lock him up
lock him up
lock him up
It was a strategic choice and not an altruistic one. And I have expressed not one iota of satisfaction or dissatisfaction. Again, my primary expression has been to the nature of your hero, the lying criminal treason weasel.
I doubt the lying criminal treason weasel spends a second of time in the pokey. Wealth and power have a quality all their own. He might end up being found guilty and being punished, but I doubt that punishment includes prison time.
it was more of a meta-comment about the flippancy with which trump and his cultists wantonly cheered for the politically-motivated prosecution of their enemies, but have now turned into shrinking violets at the realization that their guy is now on the receiving end of a very legitimate prosecution.
even assuming the least charitable interpretation of these events, this is a "what's good for the goose" situation. you can call for the prosecution of your political enemies, or you can whine about being the victim of a politically motivated witch hunt, but when you try to do both, you can #### the #### off.
lock him up.
---Trump gets elected president in 2024
---Trump gets jail time for any one of the innumerable crimes he's going to wind up being charged with, in addition to the ones he's now facing in Florida.
** Personally my opinion about the possibility of jail time rests almost solely upon the makeup of the Florida jury, along with other juries down the road. Without jury nullification I think there's a reasonable chance he gets at least some jail time, a much better chance than he ever will have of being elected president. Anyone who thinks that he'll be able to use his phony martyrdom to win over anyone but a few more GOP primary voters is living in a dream world.
And you didn't answer which you think is more likley. Saying "it depends" is kind of not part of the bit, you have to pick one as written. Which shouldn't be hard, because you wrote it.
Stay tuned!
Assuming he is nominated (likely), the trial has not happened yet (very likely), his opponent is Biden (extremely likely), and both Trump and Biden have no major health issues (very likely) then I think Trump is an underdog. He has a chance to win (stuff happens), but it is not very likely at all IMO. But still more likely than Trump serving prison time.
You're leaving out the possibility of a Republican other than Trump being the nominee and winning the election. In that case, he gets pardoned, or more likely, the case gets dropped because I don't think there's much chance of him going to trial before the election. Then there's also the possibility of him losing the nomination and then taking a plea which has no jail time.
Me winning a multi million dollar lottery is more likely than me winning the presidential election.
You're assuming that enough of the cult will bother voting for a candidate other than Trump.
Assuming the jury comes back with a guilty verdict, she takes a yuge risk overturning it, and I would hope that her actions would be overturned, as well.
Of course, we can take solace in the fact that it's very unlikely the venue will be changed to Amarillo, where the outcome of the case would be the execution of various women who had abortions during the Obama administration.
She's already been humiliated once, if she dares pull a stunt like overturning a verdict, she'd likely be humiliated again. I think.
I don't think that he gets convicted in FL. The best we'll see is a hung jury, because they're likely to have one or 2 MAGA idiots seated.
NJ.
Not really. Any major party nominee has a chance. And Joe Biden is not the most imposing incumbent of all time, oldest, but not the most imposing. I think Trump would be an underdog, but it is too early to put a finer point on it than that.
No, she's unlikely to overrule the jury. But she can do things like granting the defense favorable rulings on motions, help rig the jury, rule out various elements of the prosecutions case, etc.
fool me once, shame on me; fool me twice, you're not gonna fool me again.
That hasn't happened that I've seen. Hannity and Trump's other cheerleaders very much do not see it as legitimate. (I haven't heard them defend Trump's actions per se, just saying it's no big deal, Hillary was worse, blah blah blah).
To the first point, I don't see any MAGA Republican winning the general election, and at this point all the plausible alternative nominees are ensconced in Trump's codpiece.
To the second point, that's something I hadn't considered, and it's a good one. What you're implicitly saying is that if Trump loses the nomination he won't risk having Biden win, and so he'll take a plea bargain rather than risk a jail sentence with no president there to pardon him. I'd say that's a more likely possibility than his actually winning the election.
Bottom line it comes down to which is more likely:
1. Trump winning the election
2. Trump making a plea bargain that avoids jail time
3. Trump being acquitted on all criminal charges in all of his cases
4. Trump getting at least some jail time and with Biden winning, having to serve at least part of his sentence, if only for symbolic purposes.
Personally I find the first highly unlikely, the second a real possibility if he loses the nomination, the third extremely unlikely, and the fourth the most likely, though obviously no guarantees.
I think we'd all agree that the ideal outcome would be for Trump to die from natural causes during a campaign where the polls are overwhelmingly going against him. But counting on Trump's sudden death is about as wise as counting on his MAGA cultists to desert him.
Right, and that's my main worry. My consolation is that in his other cases he won't be blessed with a MAGA judge. He's getting shot through the forest and won't be able to avoid every tree.
I think the chance that he is convicted without a plea deal and still never sees the inside of a prison is a very real (and even likely) outcome.
EDIT: Not federal ones, anyway.
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