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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Sunday, July 24, 2011Jenkins: Nyjer Morgan: Is flamboyance a winning look?Or as the chicken parmigiant Michael the K said yesterday…“It looks like Jemile Weeks goes to the same barber as his brother.” (in-studio stale Snicker bars abound)
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1. Harveys WallbangersThat is all anyone should need to know on determining the player's value.
Tom Glavine almost cracked a smile when he read that.
Of course not. But that doesn't mean it was appropriate for Morgan to flip off the fans, which he did on Friday night (his explanation that he didn't do it is hilariously phony).
I think it's probably the case that Morgan's a good guy. But he did a dumb thing. It happens to all of us.
Nyjer Morgan is the new Darren Erstad.
I'd take him - particularly at the price Milwaukee paid.
Gogo's hurt - he and Morgan were sort of platooning (which explains some of Morgan's good year).
was he flipping the bird or the horns sign? I'm not spinning, just thought that's what I noticed. He's wound up out there, after calling time after his 2B, he got his hands in the air like he was about to go off the top ropes on somebody. I do think he knows exactly what he's doing.
His HUA baserunning as noted above was totally inexcusable.
Though he was certainly working to provoke said fans.
It being a Joe West crew the umpiring has provoked just as much reaction.
Though he was certainly working to provoke said fans.
Agreed and agreed. From the camera angle you can't see exactly what he flipped. But it wasn't the thumbs-up sign, or an "A-OK!". And his explanation that all he was doing was indicating that there were now two outs is a hoot.
Folks can rail on Morgan but Casey wandering down the third base line like a drunk trying to find his car was beyond ridiculous.
Folks can rail on Morgan but Casey wandering down the third base line like a drunk trying to find his car was beyond ridiculous.
Entirely agreed. It isn't often that one can say with assurance that bad baserunning cost a team a game, but bad baserunning cost the Brewers the game last night.
McGehee was unbelievable. Amazingly stupid.
Betancourt, as sad as this is to write, is likely the best option on the roster and in the organization. For now.
But the Brewers have OPTIONS with Casey. And while they have dabbled mostly they are taking a wait and see approach.
That's fine in early May. But not NOW. McGehee stinks on the field. He stinks on the bases. He stinks at bat.
He provides NO value. none. He is a sinkhole of s*ck.
I become severely depressed every time he waddles onto my television screen.
This all looks a lot better to my eyes now...
EDIT: Why doesn't that crap work!!!
Like so
I have worked to be supportive of management but became less than enthusiastic about the astros Organization when drayton mclane made it plain that 2007 was all about prima donnaing craig biggio at the expense of the entire season, and his drop in IQ to less than dead when he screwed up the entire team in 08 by refusing to admit that there was such a thing goin down as hurricane IKE
is a d*mning indictment of the organization.
the lousy players on the field (except bourn and pence who will be gone in a few short weeks) and the lousy pitchers (except for wandy and bud norris,)
as sad as this is to write, is
likely the bestONLY option on the roster and in the organization. Fornowyears and years because drayton picked the lousiest/cheapest GM he could find and he has done a worse job than tim purpura at building the minors - yes it's possible - and he didn't get much back for the big names he DID trade. and based on his history, he will most likely not get anything good for bourn, pence and wandy neither.But the Brewers have OPTIONS with Casey. And whilethey have dabbled mostly in ex-philLies and crappy free agents and relievers on the scrap heap they are taking a wait and see approach because mclane doesn't care whnat happens to this franchise and he hasn't cared for 3 years and the new owner, if approved has said on the record that he IS going to lower the payroll and will not spend on the major league team - and his debt load is astronomical and all the profits sucked from the yankees/redsox and MLbam are going into his own pocket or to pay the debt load.That WASN'T fine in early May. But
notNOWMcGeheeevery (swear words) astros player not named pence or bourn stinks on the field. He stinks on the bases. He stinks at bat.He provides NO value. none. He is a sinkhole of s*ck.
I become severely depressed every time he waddles onto my television screen.
i am fast running out of excuses to explain why i even bother to watch. i stand behind no woman in my awed admiration for harvey (and the other brewers fans guys don't come here no mo) and russ/vlad/MWE for continuing to watch and care about their teams which were astros terrible for years and years and years
it's getting to be that i would almost rather watch lifetime/jersey shore/all the "reality" shtt on tv than watch the astros find new and inventive ways to uck-say
But does he lollygag?
Is Ortiz signing autographs? If the ball hits him is it still in play?
Seriously? You think professional teams and leagues don't care if their athletes flip off fans (or otherwise engage in gestures of rudeness and contempt to fans) during games? Isn't something they have a policy about?
I said the same thing when I flipped off one of my customers, but the Nazis in HR thought otherwise!
No, I mean, I get why it's a deal that he might be suspended, but I don't get why people here would actually care. I mean, if the fans are getting on him, and he flips the bird, it ain't no thing in my mind.
In the bottom of the 3rd, while he was on deck, the fans were still getting on him, and he made an 'obscene gesture' (was listening on the radio, but I think he grabbed his crotch area...). The home plate umpire immediately ejected him, and Whitey Herzog ran out of the dugout, grabbed him, and practially threw him into the dugout. Then, Templeton was suspended and spent several weeks in the 'psych ward' of a local hospital/treatment center.
It was awesome. One of my favorite in-stadium moments. True story.
I'm always reminded of Stefan Effenberg in the 94 WC. I always like to pretend that's where the use of 'effing' comes from.
Anyways, as far as attributing blame in this case, I think the buck stops with MLB and the teams, for failing to keep their fans in check. If they don't care that their players have to put up with this, it's one thing, but you loose all right to act surprised, when they react instead of remaining calm and composed. The characterization of Morgan's behaviour as disgraceful by the author, is in itself a disgrace. I would like to see how he would cope if faced with such hostility. my guess is 'not well'.
Anyways, to bring this back to European football, - because I know you all care so much about it - when they finally came around to the conclusion that the behaviour of fans was becoming too vile, they actually did something about it. Excessive slurs directed at players, objects thrown on the pitch, and crowds 'invading' the pitch can net the team anything from fines and home games played with no supporters, to automatic forfeits and points deductions. Magically, the behaviour of fans is much improved.
As far as the damning indictment of sticking with him for so long... I'm not surprised in the slightest. Remember Bill Hall in '08? Once it became clear that he was just NOT going to be hitting righties, but Nedley kept sending him out there day after day after... Our Brewers have some pretty messed-up blinders on when it comes to third basemen who used to have some value. At least Billy could field his position; Casey's a statue at the hot corner who doesn't walk and only has mid-range power. He's a guy who NEEDS to hit .300 to be worth a roster spot; and, well, he ain't.
You might want to add that the Taylor Report effectively forced teams to move to all-seater stadiums, rather than cramping members of the lower classes onto terraces. I also suspect that something has been done to cut down the sale of alcohol near the ending moments of matches, though I don't know for sure.
It really is fun to watch vintage games from the 1960s and 1970s, though. There is something magical about seeing the fans run out onto the pitch to celebrate the winning goal scorer after a tense match, and it's always fun to watch the crowd sway from front to back on the Kop at old Anfield. However, not having to deal with stupid pitch invasion and streaker interruptions makes the new setup worth it -- and it sure is a hell of a lot more appealing than those huge chain fences that were once around the front rows.
Umpires have ordered fans ejected on a few occasions where stadium security has been slow to act.
Now there is a line where a fan won't be ejected, but in general the league doesn't want situations where players will go into the stands (as has happened a few times in my lifetime in hockey as a for instance) and has little to gain by not taking some form of action.
On the other hand, most players probably won't ask the umpire to take action. Just because.
Worth noting that before Ty Cobb went into the stands after Luecker he had asked the ump to do something about him.
I was there, 20 or so rows back from the Cardinals dugout, so I had a perfect view. He wasn't on deck, he was halfway between home and first, returning to the dugout after failing to run out another ball. And what he did was face teh stands, thrust out his crotch and point to it with both hands. Then, as you said, when he got a couple steps from the dugout Herzog grabbed him and flung him into it. And of course traded him for Ozzie Smith that winter.
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