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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Tuesday, December 13, 2011Jeter’s booty haulsGraceless, rangeless, and soon, memorabilialess.
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They are jealous that they don't have herpes?
Don't pretend that you're not.
And besides, how insulted could the lady have really been if she came around for seconds?
How do you know they aren't? Did Derek not bust out of a helluva slump last year?
2. It is not surprising that some contingent of this board seems to think that behavior deserves some sort of defense.
That'd be a pretty disturbing sex toy, wouldn't it?
Also, #6 is awesome.
Well, if you watched him play shortstop, you'd know that Derek Jeter can't defend himself. :)
B: This is hilarious. This seems like something from a ridiculous movie rather than something a person would actually do.
I could have written such gossip years ago if I'd thought it was newsworthy.
Isn't it a bit bizarre? I mean, I realize that athletes aren't known for introspection, but giving people an autographed ball as a, "Hey, thanks for sleeping with me" present? Really? At no point do you think that you're an #######?
I have stated before that there should be a baseball-themed dating service called "Clutch Singles".
ETA: And the baseball version of "Ashley Madison" could be called, "Backdoor Sliders".
Like this girl who now has two of Jeter's balls. She was so shocked and angered at his terrible treatment of her that she went home with him again even after it was clear that he didn't remember her. If he is a base individual (and, sounds like he is), then so is she.
2. It is not surprising that some contingent of this board seems to think that behavior deserves some sort of defense.
I think you may be confusing jocular cynicism with any serious "defense". Personally I think the part about sending them off with a package of autographed memorabilia waiting for them in a car is almost too funny to be real. It's such a perfect combination of ego and casual contempt that if it's not actually true it would qualify for the summit of Mt. Apocrypha.
I'm not sure "Thanks, Baby. Here's a signed baseball for you to hold dear, to remember your night with The Captain for always," is right on par with painting himself as a centaur. It's all of a piece of egos gone wild.
I'm not interested in defending the behavior of the woman in question, but I see little reason not to call Jetes obvious misogyny what it is, either.
sarcasm meter broke?
dude, some of us are in our mom's basement by choice!
Yeah, really--was she expecting a World Series ring on the second go around?
The news is that he gives them a parting gift of an autographed baseball and other Jeterobelia, rather than a simple, "I'll call you."
Yup. The camp value easily offsets any offensiveness.
Besides, it'd be easier to object to Jeter's treating these women like whores if they weren't simultaneously out to rack up starf*cker points themselves (unless you think they were oblivious to the fact that the random stray they've picked up is Derek F'ing Jeter, and were in fact innocently out looking for true love). Cuts both ways.
EDIT: That said, I don't really disagree with Sam's 28. I can be simultaneously appalled and amused by this if I want to be.
1. It is not a surprise that a pampered professional athlete treats women like whores.
2. It is not surprising that some contingent of this board seems to think that behavior deserves some sort of defense.
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one of the reasons that mrs H has put up with his stuff for 16 years
but what i wanna know is - why is this activity called jeter's conquest?
seems to me it is the other way around - some woman got herself a piece of His Jeteriness.
SHE is the one competing against other females for the prime piece and SHE won
but saying - thanks for a good time - with a derek jeter autographed baseball - now THAT'S an insult
and it is news that some rich good-looking male screws around?
Perhaps they're hoping for a hookup with Jeter, but with an assist from Jeffrey Maier at the moment of climax.
Is Jeter really good-looking, or is it just a reflection of his fame/money?
I'm completely unable to judge what females find physically attractive in a man, once you get beyond the obvious classic leading man.
I mean, I understand the Cary Grant, Robert Redford, George Clooney look, but some women seem to think Matthew McConaughey, Prince William and Owen Wilson are attractive, while, to me, they look like the hind end of a horse.
I'm sure you'll pass this little test with flying colors, Sam, but just out of curiosity, what was your take on Chipper Jones's excellent adventure?
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but what i wanna know is - why is this activity called jeter's conquest?
seems to me it is the other way around - some woman got herself a piece of His Jeteriness.
SHE is the one competing against other females for the prime piece and SHE won
That seems like a much truer way of looking at what's really going on here---"Hey, look, sister spudinas, Derek Jeter came into McDonald's today, and of all the french fries he could've eaten, he chose ME!!!"
but saying - thanks for a good time - with a derek jeter autographed baseball - now THAT'S an insult
Well, at least it's an insult that's now going for about $449.99. That'll buy you a lot of french fries.
Aren't two out of those three gay and the other is a "bachelor"?
I mean, I understand the Cary Grant, Robert Redford, George Clooney look, but some women seem to think Matthew McConaughey, Prince William and Owen Wilson are attractive, while, to me, they look like the hind end of a horse.
Exhibit A of the kavorka of inner beauty.
Well come on, with all of those triples that Owen Wilson hit you'd have to think he scored fairly often.
Pretty sure neither Clooney or Redford has had even rumors of being gay. I think Cary played for both teams, but, pace Mick Jagger, that doesn't stop you from being a skirt-chaser.
Pretty sure neither Clooney or Redford has had even rumors of being gay. I think Cary played for both teams, but, pace Mick Jagger, that doesn't stop you from being a skirt-chaser.
Refreshing saved me a coke. I would also say that a lot of guys would be happy to get an autographed Jeter ball. Hell, I know guys that would probably sleep with him to get memorabilia. I may even suggest it to them.
Infidelity and broken marriages are always 1) bad news and 2) more complex than they seem. Chipper cheated on his wife. That was bad of him. he then divorced his wife, whom by all accounts he did not love any more, and married the girl he cheated with. He now has many healthy children by his second wife, whom he still seems to love.
I have no interest in either 1) defending Chipper's behavior to any great extent or 2) condemning him as a moral monster. He was a pampered athlete who married his "high school sweet heart" very soon after coming into ass-loads of cash via professional baseball. He then slept around on his marriage, while in his early 20s, but eventually settled down into some sort of stable, adult marriage with his second wife, with whom he is raising multiple children.
In the greater game, I'd say Chipper's behavior is morally problematic, but that Jeter's behavior is worse.
I am a bit disappointed it took 26 posts for someone to mention the centaur, tho...
I have no interest in either 1) defending Chipper's behavior to any great extent or 2) condemning him as a moral monster. He was a pampered athlete who married his "high school sweet heart" very soon after coming into ass-loads of cash via professional baseball. He then slept around on his marriage, while in his early 20s, but eventually settled down into some sort of stable, adult marriage with his second wife, with whom he is raising multiple children.
In the greater game, I'd say Chipper's behavior is morally problematic, but that Jeter's behavior is worse.
Damn Sam, since when do you make so much sense?
I'm completely unable to judge what females find physically attractive in a man, once you get beyond the obvious classic leading man.
I have the same lack of judgment, but I'd say Jeter's a good-looking guy. I've encountered women who think he's the hottest man on the planet and others who think he's just "eh," so I dunno.
Yeah, it seems like Jones made a promise to be monogamous, and broke it; Jeter made no such promise, and so I'm not clear why there's a disapproval of his behavior that outweighs it. Sending someone a gift after consensual sex seems a world away from cheating on your wife to me.
Enjoying sex makes god angry.
Treating women as animal-objects is worse than being unfaithful. Doing so while in your late 30s - being a "player" as you approach 40 - is far worse than a single infidelity as a young man.
To be honest, I'm inclined to forgive Chipper the indiscretions of youth. If he did the same thing now, I'd be much harsher on him. The fact that Derek Jeter is nearly 40 and still treating relationships and women as if he were recently pledged to Kappa Alpha is pathetic.
I don't know whether Chipper Jones' marriage was sacramental or not, that depends on a lot of things. Not every marriage is a sacrament.
I'd answer that they're both serious moral wrongs, and we have differences in volume. In a vacuum, adultery is worse than fornication, but is one broken marriage worse than 500 cases of fornication, who the hell knows? It's impossible to say which is morally worse.
At least Chipper seems to have mended his ways. If he hasn't, I'd reconsider.
Also, Jeter's behavior seems to show more callous disregard for these women.
Is Jeter really good-looking, or is it just a reflection of his fame/money?
I'm completely unable to judge what females find physically attractive in a man, once you get beyond the obvious classic leading man.
- obviously different females find different looks attractive. there are very few men who appeal to straight females of all ages and races (see brad ausmus) who is just hot. he just is.
- i would say jeter was very hot when he was younger before he fell so in luuuuvvv with Himself.
I mean, I understand the Cary Grant, Robert Redford, George Clooney look, but some women seem to think Matthew McConaughey, Prince William and Owen Wilson are attractive, while, to me, they look like the hind end of a horse.
- not much difference i can see, really. and they all have a LOT of money and that definitely makes a man more attractive. but none of those guys, or brad pitt, does anything for me. bland and boring except owen wilson who looks like he's on drugs - uck.
gimme terrence howard, matt kemp and grady sizemore ANY day. and please do not ask me to explain jayson werth because i can't.
Well, sounds like she needs a better agent. Someone should have told her you don't qualify for arbitration until after the 3rd go-around, and actual FA negotiation takes 6 beddings.
if you give a woman money or something worth money after a 1 night stand, it's an INSULT. i can't believe you don't get this.
You should read some Catholic Moral theology; not in the least.
The late Pope even wrote that a husband has an obligation to make sure his wife, ummm, really enjoys the act, so to speak.
What were the expectations these women held going into their encounters with Jeter? I guess I'm not seeing the "callous" part.
So you count Catholicism as part of Christianity?
I guess that makes some sense.
And by then, as the modern SABR-savvy playa knows, she's past the point where you want to make a particularly lavish investment. It's not like the old days.
The moral failings of the women in question doesn't remove the moral failings from Jeter.
My 18-year-old daughter and I were watching Game of Thrones, and I made an off-hand remark about how the ladies probably swoon over Jaime Lannister. She frowned at me and said, "Dad, the only good-looking guy in the whole show is Jon Snow."
Shows what I know.
Typed out a long post to disagree, but then realized I don't really care enough about these people's personal lives, or judging them, so #### it. But 'animal-objects' seems to kind of deny the women's agency in this whole story. They are thinking adults, and no-one seems to be betraying any confidences.
Still, if we're going to compete for outrage in morally judging celebrities: go to, go to.
Also, Jeter's behavior seems to show more callous disregard for these women.
What were the expectations these women held going into their encounters with Jeter? I guess I'm not seeing the "callous" part.
- you don't hand a woman money after a 1 night stand. she might could be a slut or star f****r but she is NOT a prostitute. and yes there IS a difference, a HUGE difference to us females.
THIS. It makes it seem like payment for services rendered. Even I get this, and my wife will happily explain to anyone that I'm pretty clueless overall.
Oddly enough, I have made a couple of points through this thread explicitly confining my criticism to Jeter's behavior. You might take that into account before going off the rails.
The big problem with ####### stars is that your grandchildren will simply not believe the stories you tell of your wild years in your youth and give you the respect you deserve. It is simply thoughtful of Jeter to provide a keepsake as proof. Even better would be if he provided some certification that carnal relations took place, but that bug might be fixed in version 2.0 of the Derek Jeter Appreciation Kit.
That's not what I asked. If their expectations going in were for nothing more than a night's-duration "good time," how is Jeter's behavior "callous" (which, to me, suggests a depraved indifference to/deliberate disappointment of meeting whatever expectations they held)?
The women in question are responsible for their own actions, moral failings and all. They're thinking adults, as you say. But the fact that they're not actually animals doesn't remove the problem of Jeter's behavior, which indicates strongly that he THINKS OF THEM AS ANIMAL-OBJECTS himself.
BOTH people are involved in the hooking up. the females are CHOOSING to have sex with jeter. they can and do say - um, no thanks.
Yes, it's far more preferable to buy the woman dinner, and before the sex. Then it's not called an insult; it's just a date.
So it would've been less callous for him to just call her a cab and tell her to clear out?
I will say, Sam's acknowledgement that the two parties share "moral failings" in this instance is an important point, if we're going to characterize them as such; they're using the celebrity to placate their own egos or whatever, and he's, well, doing the same thing (only using his own celebrity as the selling point). And, well, they're both getting laid, which presumably is part of what they're after.
EDIT: Coke to bbc's 76. But I'm still curious about the first part...
Look, if Sam's point is that ALL sex between individuals who aren't involved in a relationship is per se immoral, then whatever. There's no point in even arguing the specific actions here. But this thread would be a lot shorter if he had just said that at the beginning.
If you're going to quote me, at least have the intellectual honesty to quote what I actually said. I said Jeter was treating women like animal-objects. Perhaps that's too complex of a formulation for you, but I have not called anyone animals. In fact, I've called out Jeter for treating human beings as animal-objects, which is the opposite of what you're accusing me of.
This, of course, is nonsense, and perhaps the woman doesn't feel she's being "treated as an animal-object."
Wow. Sam really does have blinders on when it comes to Braves players.
I get what you're saying here, but that's actually the truth.
Hey, I don't make the social rules, pal.
I don't disagree with you; that is, in fact, what I'm saying. Despite what bbc said, there's no difference between the two; buying the woman dinner in advance = giving the woman a parting Jeterobilia afterwards.
if you give a woman money or something worth money after a 1 night stand, it's an INSULT. i can't believe you don't get this.
Of course I do, but I was trying to go with the flow of the thread. AFAIC Jeter's simply a typical spoiled jock, and my only defense of him is that the women were equally willing.
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I'm slightly lost, what did Jeter do that was morally worse than infidelity? And how is snapper agreeing, is marriage not a sacrament?
No kidding. Chipper's wife didn't ask to be cheated on. Jeter's women were either deaf, dumb and blind or they were fully aware of what they were doing. To try to put a single man's boompsying with a series of willing women in a worse category than cheating on one's wife sounds to me like little more than a case of which cap the two guys play baseball with.
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I don't know whether Chipper Jones' marriage was sacramental or not, that depends on a lot of things. Not every marriage is a sacrament.
So I guess it depends on what the definition of "sacrament" is, eh?
Exactly. Clearly, Sam and Snapper are more wrong than Jeter's actions ever were.
Wonder if Chipper's wife agrees.
Well I think the (minor) difference is that beforehand is no guarantee -- you don't automatically get sex if you buy someone dinner. Giving her something afterwards feels more like leaving a fifty on the nightstand and tossing her her beeper on the way out.
Like, a centaur?
no wonder you are single
sigh
do you really SERIOUSLY have no idea what is the difference between 2 people going on a date and 2 people meeting and deciding on a 1 night stand?
Of course there is. Contrary to your pipe dreams, culture is not a math problem and the world is not populated by homo economicus.
that still does not absolve jeter from his transgressive behavior. just because nobody is covered in glory here doesn't mean he isn't a cad. in fact, if his sexual behavior were more skillful -- that is, kind and compassionate instead of exploitative -- this cycle of behavior would not be happening.
still, we are only taking the word of a scandal sheet for this, so who knows what's going on?
Not saying I agree; my point in #89 is more how I really feel. But many guys feel that the cost of a date isn't that different from outright paying for sex, and while I think that says as much about the intentions of the guy as anything else, I do think that in some instances this is exactly what is happening from the perspective of both participants.
If you think that buying someone dinner is a financial / bodily transaction in which sex is the capital exchanged for the price of the meal, I think it will take a terrifyingly long time to explain to you how human society works.
I have never accessed the services of a prostitute, but I have to believe that they, you know, ask for the money up front.
Which prostitutes are not asking for payment until afterwards?
For the record I agree, but I personally know many guys who feel exactly as Ray does.
And since the women may well have been using Jeter in return, what does that make them, cadettes?
The standards of conduct appear to be higher in the latter case...
EDIT: Lest there be any misunderstanding: yes, I'm being flip.
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