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Tuesday, January 21, 2020

Jeter’s Hall call near-unanimous; Walker elected

Derek Jeter barely missed unanimity. Larry Walker barely eluded agony. What matters most is that both men are now enjoying entry into baseball’s hallowed Hall.

The subjects of two very different versions of Hall of Fame voting drama, Jeter and Walker both had their names called Tuesday night on MLB Network’s presentation of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America ballot results. All but one of the 397 BBWAA members who cast a vote had Jeter’s name checked off in his first year of eligibility, and just enough of those writers checked Walker’s name in his 10th and final year to push him above the 75-percent threshold.

Jim Furtado Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:38 PM | 74 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mefisto Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:43 PM (#5918064)
That last vote went just past a diving Jeter.

Thank you, I'll be here all week.
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:54 PM (#5918068)
Awesome. Congrats to both of them.
   3. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:55 PM (#5918069)
This probably means McGriff gets elected by the VC next time that sub-committee is choosing.
   4. cookiedabookie Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:58 PM (#5918074)
McGriff has two years before he's on a VC ballot
   5. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:59 PM (#5918075)
That last vote went just past a diving Jeter.

Thank you, I'll be here all week.


I was p!ssed at that holdout writer, but it was almost worth it for that comment. But no gift basket for you!
   6. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:59 PM (#5918076)

#4 yes I corrected my post.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:15 PM (#5918080)
Does McGriff really feel like a vc selection type of player?
   8. Darren Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:19 PM (#5918082)
It's very sad that Jeter hasn't been feted as much as Mariano for their unparalleled dominance of the sport.
   9. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:22 PM (#5918083)
How many Canadians are going to cross the border to Cooperstown for the induction of the best Canadian hitter in baseball history who was also an Expo? I'd love to see coverage on TSN.
   10. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:46 PM (#5918092)
Very happy for Walker. His interview with MLBN was classic ... he's wearing a Sponge Bob shirt and says he's happy to be the B-side single for Jeter's induction. He's a self-effacing guy but this clearly means a lot to him.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:53 PM (#5918095)
McGriff will be on the next Modern Era ballot. I see nothing keeping him getting elected, given how weak the rest of the candidates will be (given McGwire's continued outsider status).

   12. Walt Davis Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:06 PM (#5918098)
Congrats to Walker. I'm glad I underestimated his chances.

Does McGriff really feel like a vc selection type of player?

Compared with Baines and Simmons? I don't see why not. Lots of HRs, lots of RBIs, general respect around the game, 5 AS games, big last-minute vote sent him to nearly 40% in HoF. I don't know who he'll be up against but unless they're gonna get worked up about 7 HRs short of 500 and 10 hits short of 2500, I'd think he'll make it via VC eventually. Obviously it would be a lot better if he had a MVP. On his actual worthiness, he's pretty close IMO, in the Billy Williams, Willie Stargell area with both of those guys have a much easier time of it. McGriff gets a few extra "points" from me because he got caught between eras. 35 WAR in 4350 PA as of the 94 strike was on a borderline HoF track -- then the game changed and he didn't. Maybe his 30s would have looked the same in a WAR sense anyway but we don't really know.

24-30: 288/390/545, 155 OPS+, 242 HR in 4353 PA; 35 WAR
31-38: 288/371/489, 122 OPS+, 216 HR in 5050 PA; 16 WAR

VC voters might think he just got messed over by the roiders ... and of course that might be true. His league context went from 330/397 to 343/431. His post-30 numbers relative to his early league context is a 136 OPS+ and that's a career Edgar OPS+ in >Edgar PAs. So did McGriff "benefit" from the change in context (i.e. he never would have gotten close to 500 HR and probably not be on the HoF radar) or was he the same guy while others "cheated" or did he just fail to adapt to a new context?

   13. Walt Davis Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:07 PM (#5918099)
Now Fergie and Glavine have somebody to talk hockey with on HoF weekend.
   14. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:19 PM (#5918103)
I’m a relatively late Walker convert, but I’m happy for him.... big ball guy so generally speaking, with just a handful of exceptions, I’m happy when guys on the bubble make it. There are more players outside the hall I’d like to see in than there are guys inside I don’t think should be, so I’m happy with this.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:31 PM (#5918107)
I don't know who he'll be up against


The same non-entities who made it possible for Baines to get elected.
   16. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:35 PM (#5918108)
Wow what an election. Ted Simmons, Marvin Miller, Larry Walker!, and Jeter missing unanimity by one vote.
   17. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:36 PM (#5918109)
!@!$ double post
   18. John Northey Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:43 PM (#5918111)
I'm very happy Jeter didn't get 100%. Sick of him when he played due to being grossly over rated. Yeah, a no doubt HOF'er but not close to the class of a lot of others already there who didn't get close to 100%. Rivera I could accept as he was very obviously the best closer ever, but Jeter wasn't even the best SS on his own team (A-Rod) and was too selfish to move when A-Rod came, even though every stat clearly screamed A-Rod was better on defense. Ah well, it is over now. Walker got in and I'm happy - about 9 years late, but he is there.
   19. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:48 PM (#5918112)
Does McGriff really feel like a vc selection type of player?


The VC has become a joke giving inductions away like candy. McGriff seems like exactly the type of guy they'd pick.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:48 PM (#5918113)
There are more players outside the hall I’d like to see in than there are guys inside I don’t think should be, so I’m happy with this.

Really? If you're limiting yourself to BBWAA selections, I can see how one might think this. But there are a lot of not-so-good VC guys in there. This is the task the HoM set for itself and while I love me some Rick Reuschel and he's certainly under-rated, he's not my idea of a HoFer.

But it's a happy day so I don't want to distract in a negative direction.
   21. Zach Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:56 PM (#5918114)
I'm surprised and pleased that Walker made it. I thought there was a good chance that he would get written off as a product of Coors Field.
   22. Howie Menckel Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:00 AM (#5918115)
big ball guy

now, now, let others decide such a moniker
   23. Howie Menckel Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:07 AM (#5918117)
BBWAA
@officialBBWAA
·
5h
Public ballots will be released in two weeks. All voters had the option of making their ballots public or keeping them private.

..............

[can Witness Protection get this voter a new life here in such a quick turnaround? if not, maybe just a bulletproof phony passport can allow them to live out the days in obscurity somewhere.]
   24. Walt Davis Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:37 AM (#5918120)
Maybe it was a "hanging chad" -- Raul Ibanez got 1 vote and I assume his name would have been just above Jeter. (I don't know if they tick or write. Maybe he wrote "Mr Gift Basket" or "The One True Yankee.")

Anyway, took some balls to leave him off intentionally. Foolish but ballsy.
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:46 AM (#5918122)
the Super Bowl-ing Chiefs have a WR on their practice squad named Gehrig Dieter:

GEH-RIG
DIE-TER
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
   26. BrianBrianson Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:48 AM (#5918123)
Excellent, excellent.

I had thought Rivera and Jeter getting 100% might end the nobody gets 100% rule, but I was terrified the two of them would, then no one else ever again would.

So ... a good compromise.
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 05:04 AM (#5918130)
now, now, let others decide such a moniker


Hey, man, you don’t know - maybe LaVar Ball posts on BBTF.
   28. BrianBrianson Posted: January 22, 2020 at 05:36 AM (#5918131)
Thinking it over, if you thought there were 11+ worthy candidates and the vote limit really bothered you, Jeter is probably the guy to leave off. He's obviously going in anyways, so it doesn't matter, but it's liable to attract attention to the 10 vote issue if you say the reason you had to leave him off was the 10 vote limit.
   29. homerwannabee Posted: January 22, 2020 at 06:30 AM (#5918135)
I think Billy Wagner might just be the most under rated pitcher by the sabermetrics community. The fact that he's being compared to Trevor Hoffman is laughable. He's far better than Trevor Hoffman.

Wagner Era+ of 187
Hoffman ERA+ of 141

Wagner Whip of 0.998 (I can not express enough how incredible a stat this is. Even Mo couldn't do that.)
Hoffman whip of 1.058

Wagner WAR of 27.8 (Did this in 903 innings pitched)
Hoffman WAR of 28.1 (Did this in 1089.1 innings pitched)

Wagner to me is clearly the better player.

So yeah, a reliever that played in the same era as MO, and had a better Whip than Mo. Yes, if you can out do the greatest reliever of all time in a major stat like Whip you deserve the hall of fame.
   30. Rally Posted: January 22, 2020 at 06:45 AM (#5918136)
Rivera’s WAR is about the same as Hoffman + Wagner. In the regular season, maybe they can make it in the post...never mind.
   31. homerwannabee Posted: January 22, 2020 at 07:02 AM (#5918139)
Riviera's numbers makes all other relivers numbers pale by comparison. It's a given that Mo is far and away the greatest reliever of all time. Still, to be better at Mo at Whip deserves praise. And my contention was never that Wagner was at the level of Mo. My contention is that Wagner is a better reliever than Hoffman. He's not equal to Hoffman, he's better than him.
   32. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 22, 2020 at 07:37 AM (#5918142)
I had thought Rivera and Jeter getting 100% might end the nobody gets 100% rule, but I was terrified the two of them would, then no one else ever again would.

So ... a good compromise.


So now you've got a situation where a new precedent for petty dickishness has been established. Great move.

I can hardly wait to hear what the excuse will be when some similarly inclined moron leaves Ichiro off his ballot. He can look up some of Ray's comments on that subject if he's in search of a ghostwriter.

(OTOH having a Yankees closer remain the only unanimous selection is kind of a nice thought, so WTH.)
   33. bachslunch Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:40 AM (#5918145)
@19: "The VC has become a joke giving inductions away like candy. McGriff seems like exactly the type of guy they'd pick."

Wish they'd start handing out candy to Lou Whitaker, Keith Hernandez, Dwight Evans, Minnie Minoso, Bill Dahlen, Bobby Grich, Dick Allen, Wally Schang...

Anyway -- congratulations to Jeter and Walker. Especially the latter, who I really though was gonna get screwed over. Nice that it doesn't always happen.
   34. Joey B. Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:47 AM (#5918147)
Congratulations to Jeter and Walker.

Only two more years until Roger Clemenza and BALCO Barry Big Head Bonds are done forever.
   35. Fancy Pants Handle on Altuve's Buzzer Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:55 AM (#5918149)
So now you've got a situation where a new precedent for petty dickishness has been established. Great move.

What about this is new? People have been leaving much more deserving HoFers off their ballots, since the beginning of HoF voting. For any number of petty and/or dickish reasons.
   36. Adam Starblind Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:57 AM (#5918150)
I’m a relatively late Walker convert, but I’m happy for him.... big ball guy so generally speaking


Why Walker is in, and Canseco is out.
   37. cookiedabookie Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:38 AM (#5918158)
Wish they'd start handing out candy to Lou Whitaker, Keith Hernandez, Dwight Evans, Minnie Minoso, Bill Dahlen, Bobby Grich, Dick Allen, Wally Schang...


And Jack Glasscock...dont sleep in the Glasscock
   38. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:47 AM (#5918168)
What about this is new? People have been leaving much more deserving HoFers off their ballots, since the beginning of HoF voting. For any number of petty and/or dickish reasons.


If Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous, and Joe DiMaggio wasn't unanimous, and Mickey Mantle wasn't unanimous, then it seems like Jeter is in fairly good company by also not being a unanimous selection. No?
   39. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5918175)
There are more players outside the hall I’d like to see in than there are guys inside I don’t think should be, so I’m happy with this.

Really? If you're limiting yourself to BBWAA selections, I can see how one might think this. But there are a lot of not-so-good VC guys in there. This is the task the HoM set for itself and while I love me some Rick Reuschel and he's certainly under-rated, he's not my idea of a HoFer.


Yes.

I actually considered the same thing when typing that out - I didn't painstakingly make a list and do the math, but after typing/before submitting, I did peruse a few bad "in" and bad "out" lists....

Keep in mind - my "in" list and "big hall" (big ball?) definition includes some baubly elements which would put some players in I imagine you might not.... I.e., Dizzy Dean - on the on field merits - probably doesn't have the peak... but I'd put him because because of a "fame" component. Lou Brock - I also understand the merits (or lack thereof), but meaningless though it was in grander terms, I'd have him in, too. I warmed to Lee Smith and Trevor Hoffman.

So yeah... for all the gnashing of teeth I'll join in on guys like Baines or Morris, my list outs I'd like in is larger than ins I'd like out.
   40. kubiwan Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5918179)
17. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:36 PM (#5918109)
!@!$ double post


Doh! Only one post short of that elusive cycle!
   41. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:53 AM (#5918180)
So now you've got a situation where a new precedent for petty dickishness has been established. Great move.

What about this is new? People have been leaving much more deserving HoFers off their ballots, since the beginning of HoF voting. For any number of petty and/or dickish reasons.


I'm well aware of all the Ruths, Aarons, etc., who also should've been unanimous, but I'd hoped with Rivera finally breaking through that stupid "tradition", that voters would be relieved of having to "protect" that tradition in deference to the Ruths, Aarons, etc. The rationale has now shifted from "We can't do for X what we didn't do for Cobb and Ruth" to ..... what, exactly? Protecting the uniqueness of Mariano Rivera?
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:53 AM (#5918181)
Anyway, took some balls to leave him off intentionally. Foolish but ballsy.

I like the idea of the lone holdout.

Kinda of like when the Romans gave their generals a Triumph (big victory parade that all of Rome turned out for) they had a slave ride in his chariot with him whispering "remember you are just a man".
   43. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:55 AM (#5918184)
Riviera's numbers makes all other relivers numbers pale by comparison. It's a given that Mo is far and away the greatest reliever of all time.

Disagree. I'll take Wilhelm. And he proved he could start too.
   44. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:59 AM (#5918189)
Why do we think it was an intentional slight aimed at Jeter rather than a strategic voting decision?

I lean yes on Bobby Abreu, but he came within a sliver of being one and done. If I had a ballot, I think I'd probably do some occasional strategic voting.
   45. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:01 AM (#5918193)
Why do we think it was an intentional slight aimed at Jeter rather than a strategic voting decision?

More fun?

A lot of us don't like Jeter, especially given his second career behavior.
   46. SoSH U at work Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:02 AM (#5918194)
So now you've got a situation where a new precedent for petty dickishness has been established. Great move.


Rather, we now have to deal with anytime an obvious selection doesn't get voted in unanimously we'll have to listen to a round of "what was this guy thinking?" "Look who wants to be the center of attention" types of responses. Excellent.
   47. Austin Kearns: The Spy Who Shagged Flies Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:08 AM (#5918200)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Jeter "no" vote could have had something to do with his ownership tenure, rather than any type of strategic voting.
   48. villageidiom Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:15 AM (#5918207)
Derek Jeter getting elected on the first ballot, but one vote shy of one's preferred tally, is the pinnacle of willfully dumb umbrage.
   49. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:15 AM (#5918208)
then the game changed and he didn't


I mean, his raw stats didn't change. But since context did, all this means is that he DID change - that is, he got worse. Which, considering that he was getting older, is no surprise.

The VC has become a joke giving inductions away like candy.


"Has become" implies that there was a time that it wasn't a joke.

I can hardly wait to hear what the excuse will be when some similarly inclined moron leaves Ichiro off his ballot.


If you don't think that what he did in Japan counts, then he's actually pretty borderline. I'd vote for him (and I think that Ray eventually said that he would too), but without Japanese credit he's not a slam dunk. He had no power at all: Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Kenny Lofton, Rod Carew, Lou Brock and Pete Rose all had higher slugging percentages. It wouldn't be especially unreasonable - certainly not moronic - for someone to conclude that only MLB performance counts and that the in/out line is somewhere above Ichiro's particular spot on the borderline.
   50. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:27 AM (#5918212)
"Has become" implies that there was a time that it wasn't a joke.


They did OK when they put Arky Vaughan in.
   51. . Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:34 AM (#5918216)
I'm well aware of all the Ruths, Aarons, etc., who also should've been unanimous, but I'd hoped with Rivera finally breaking through that stupid "tradition", that voters would be relieved of having to "protect" that tradition in deference to the Ruths, Aarons, etc. The rationale has now shifted from "We can't do for X what we didn't do for Cobb and Ruth" to ..... what, exactly?


Not repeating the dreadful mistake of voting Mariano Rivera in unanimously, when far more qualified players like Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron weren't. It's fantastic that they didn't repeat that grievous error with respect to Jeter, but one worries that the holdout voter will be outed and the dumbass Twitter/social media mob will threaten and harass him.
   52. Ithaca2323 Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:58 AM (#5918233)
If you don't think that what he did in Japan counts, then he's actually pretty borderline


He's a perfectly cromulent peak candidate IMO. His WAR7 slots in between Walker and Gwynn.
   53. SoSH U at work Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:21 AM (#5918252)
I think that Ray eventually said that he would too


I'd be shocked if bfan has changed his tune. He's always been the site's biggest Ichiro detractor, far more so than RDP.
   54. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:23 AM (#5918255)
A lot of us don't like Jeter, especially given his second career behavior.

That's as stupid a reason for not voting for him as Schilling's political views are for not voting for him.

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So now you've got a situation where a new precedent for petty dickishness has been established. Great move.

Rather, we now have to deal with anytime an obvious selection doesn't get voted in unanimously we'll have to listen to a round of "what was this guy thinking?" "Look who wants to be the center of attention" types of responses. Excellent.


We'll only have to listen to that as long as there are morons like that non-Jeter voter out there.

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I can hardly wait to hear what the excuse will be when some similarly inclined moron leaves Ichiro off his ballot.

If you don't think that what he did in Japan counts, then he's actually pretty borderline. I'd vote for him (and I think that Ray eventually said that he would too), but without Japanese credit he's not a slam dunk. He had no power at all: Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Kenny Lofton, Rod Carew, Lou Brock and Pete Rose all had higher slugging percentages. It wouldn't be especially unreasonable - certainly not moronic - for someone to conclude that only MLB performance counts and that the in/out line is somewhere above Ichiro's particular spot on the borderline.


That's a pretty good summary of a moron's argument. I'm glad you're not falling for it yourself.
   55. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5918259)
Walkers HOF voting history is strange, to say the least--someone said on twitter that he had the lowest % of votes in any single year for someone who eventually was voted in by BBWAA--he was as low as 10.2% in his 4th year of eligibility
   56. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:41 AM (#5918267)
Walkers HOF voting history is strange, to say the least--someone said on twitter that he had the lowest % of votes in any single year for someone who eventually was voted in by BBWAA--he was as low as 10.2% in his 4th year of eligibility


Walker's fourth year was 2014, which was a ridiculously crowded ballot. Walker is the 13th player from that ballot who has been elected to the Hall of Fame and the ballot also includes Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, McGriff, and McGwire, among other notables.

That said, Walker's specific placement on that ballot was absolutely "strange". He placed 19th - behind 12 Hall-of-Famers and Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling, sure, but also behind Jeff Kent (Kent got 15.2% to Walker's 10.2%).
   57. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5918268)
Kinda of like when the Romans gave their generals a Triumph (big victory parade that all of Rome turned out for) they had a slave ride in his chariot with him whispering "remember you are just a man".
I'm not at all sure that periodic whispers from one's slave would be the most effective way of delivering an ego-checking message.
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5918269)
Walkers HOF voting history is strange, to say the least--someone said on twitter that he had the lowest % of votes in any single year for someone who eventually was voted in by BBWAA--he was as low as 10.2% in his 4th year of eligibility


I assume that Bert held the previous record (14.1 percent), excluding those guys who got votes before they had retired 5 years (such as Dimaggio).
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:00 PM (#5918283)
That's as stupid a reason for not voting for him as Schilling's political views are for not voting for him.

I don't think that one has to have a good reason not to vote for someone. I'm much more annoyed by people voting for unqualified players (Omar Vizquel come on down!) than not voting for qualified players.
   60. homerwannabee Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:05 PM (#5918287)
I think with Ichiro, it's not just ignoring his Japan stats, you also have to ignore his narrative. Ichiro has one of the greatest narratives in the history of baseball.

1. Was one of the first Japanese hitters in America. Missed being first by 24 hours.
2. Proved that a Japanese hitter could become an All Star. Not too many people believed that before he came along.
3. Broke what was thought of as a nearly impossible single hit record of 257 by George Sisler.
4. Broke Willie Keeler's 8 straight 200 hit seasons. I remember when Boggs was coming up on that record. It was definitely a big thing before Ichiro
5. Had a canon for an arm. The Terrence Long being thrown out at third base by Ichiro story has become stuff of legend.
6. His colorful motivational speech during All Star games in the locker room.
7. I think Ichiro has won catch of the year honors multiple times

   61. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5918303)
They did OK when they put Arky Vaughan in.


And, Johnny Mize, and Sam Crawford, and much more recently, Alan Trammell.

   62. Flynn Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5918304)
Really? If you're limiting yourself to BBWAA selections, I can see how one might think this. But there are a lot of not-so-good VC guys in there.


Meh, I'll take that (well, except Baines, who is unquestionably the worst Hall pick of my lifetime) as the price of the VC actually electing some guys. That spell in the 2000s when the VC just wasn't electing anybody stank.
   63. DanG Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:45 PM (#5918311)
I assume that Bert held the previous record (14.1 percent), excluding those guys who got votes before they had retired 5 years (such as Dimaggio).
Plenty of BBWAA selections had less than 10% support in a year, but none recently.

Boudreau was elected in 1970, after drawing 7.5% in 1962. (He also had 1% in 1956, before he was officially eligible.)
Kiner was elected in 1975, after drawing 3.1% in 1962, his first year officially eligible.
Bob Lemon was elected in 1976, after drawing 7.0% in 1966, his second regular election.

Those are the most recent BBWAA selections that had sub-10% that I can see.
   64. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:52 PM (#5918361)
Thinking it over, if you thought there were 11+ worthy candidates and the vote limit really bothered you, Jeter is probably the guy to leave off. He's obviously going in anyways, so it doesn't matter, but it's liable to attract attention to the 10 vote issue if you say the reason you had to leave him off was the 10 vote limit.
That vastly overstates the impact of a single vote. ‘Strategic’ voters in 2020 only needed to vote for Walker & Abreu, everyone else arguably worthy was pretty much guaranteed to stay on the ballot, so it’s a silly reason for not voting for Jeter or any other obvious 1st Ballot guy. In all likelihood, the non-Jeter vote was cast for the same petty reasons as those who have celebrated it here.

I suppose there’s a slight chance that there is a surviving member of the No One Should Be Unanimous Club who was shocked and saddened that Rivera made it last year* and vowed to make sure it never happens again. Bottom line: it doesn’t matter. Voting percentage has never been a precise ranking of baseball greatness. Jeter getting the second highest vote in Hall of Fame history will only matter to a very few.

* There was a post very late in last year’s Tracker Thread that confidently asserted that Rivera would fall 10-20 votes short of unanimity because private ballot voters would be highly resistant to so honoring him, so I think it’s possible that such a voter could have miscalculated, not realizing that he was all that stood between Mo and unanimity.
   65. Lassus Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:00 PM (#5918548)
HEY I just found out that there's a really really really good chance I saw some of Larry Walker's first pro games. They were for the NY-PENN league in Utica when I was 15, and I was helping my mother take her clients from down the street at the Utica Psychiatric Center to see those games during that period. Fun.
   66. BrianBrianson Posted: January 23, 2020 at 03:47 AM (#5918579)
No, you're wholly missing the point. If you're the only guy to not vote for Jeter, you get a platform to complain about the ten vote limit and make it the villain. It's not about the other votes, it's about being able to say "Jeez, I would've loved to vote for Jeter, but the ballot rules prevented me from doing so!"
   67. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 23, 2020 at 07:38 AM (#5918584)
First let's see if the only guy to not vote for Jeter has enough courage to explain his non-vote.
   68. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 09:47 AM (#5918614)
I was helping my mother take her clients from down the street at the Utica Psychiatric Center to see those games during that period.


Did they have a good time?
   69. Lassus Posted: January 23, 2020 at 10:36 AM (#5918636)
Hard to say, often. You take it to heart that special needs and/or non-verbal or non-responsive persons are enjoying themselves in such activities. There are always signals you need to interpret.
   70. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: January 23, 2020 at 10:42 AM (#5918639)
First let's see if the only guy to not vote for Jeter has enough courage to explain his non-vote.


While we're at it, let's go back & demand explanations from all the guys who didn't vote to award him an MVP during his career.

Ditto for the guys who voted to give the historically bad fielder a Gold Glove.
   71. Howie Menckel Posted: January 23, 2020 at 10:44 AM (#5918641)
Eli retires today, so lots of double-duty fellating in the NY media this week.

#nttawwt
   72. Lassus Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:12 AM (#5918652)
First let's see if the only guy to not vote for Jeter has enough courage to explain his non-vote.

To be fair, I've already seen this rightfully repeated as a non-story by actual sportswriters, "Seriously, WhoTF even cares?"

It's stupid.
   73. DanG Posted: January 23, 2020 at 01:41 PM (#5918739)
First let's see if the only guy to not vote for Jeter has enough courage to explain his non-vote.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

Why does the Hall insist on keeping the balloting in a black box? So they can finagle the results. Walker's tally comes in at 296? We can fix that. Abreu got only 19 votes? Give him a nudge up.
   74. . Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:14 PM (#5918755)
First let's see if the only guy to not vote for Jeter has enough courage to explain his non-vote.


What does this even mean? There's no obligation on any voter to make any kind of public statement about their vote and in this instance, the voter would have to be nuts to expose himself to an internet mob governed and animated by sentiments such as this.

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