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Friday, April 09, 2021

Joe Musgrove Throws First No HItter in Padres HIstory

Musgrove struck out 10 and walked none, allowing only one Rangers player, Joey Gallo, to reach base on a hit by pitch in the fourth inning.

Entering the night, the Padres were the only MLB team that had never had a no-hitter thrown for them, with Friday being their 8,206th regular-season game all-time.

Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: April 09, 2021 at 11:09 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: April 10, 2021 at 12:26 PM (#6012676)
Decided to bump this--got a few happy texts last night from Padres fans. Thank you Joe Musgrove.
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 10, 2021 at 12:58 PM (#6012677)
That’s pretty cool. I had remembered the Padres were the last team without a no-hitter; now every team has had one.
   3. Brian C Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:10 PM (#6012679)
Watched the last 3 innings of the game and it was fun - I bought the MLB TV package this year for the first time since probably 2003 or so, and so now I guess I'll have to spend the whole season on no-hit alert. Oh well, first-world problems.

Thought the Rangers announcers did an admirable job toeing the line between rooting for the home team and graciously - even enthusiastically - acknowledging what they were watching. No-hitters are cool in general, but there's something really neat about being the franchise's first after more than 50 years.
   4. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:15 PM (#6012680)
That’s pretty cool. I had remembered the Padres were the last team without a no-hitter; now every team has had one.


Except the Mets.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6012681)
Except the Mets.


Wait, you're not Howie.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6012682)
Except the Mets


??? Didn't the Mets get one against the Cardinals, I seem to remember Jon Stewart crowing about this.

Edit: quick google search and yes that happened... so I'm not sure if the original comment was a joke or just a person forgetting facts.

Sadly there is a good chance that this puts Musgrove as the likely tying lead for most complete games this season. Even if he doesn't get another one.
   7. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6012683)
Does Howie maintain that Santana did not throw a no-no?
   8. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6012685)

??? Didn't the Mets get one against the Cardinals, I seem to remember Jon Stewart crowing about this.


Officially, yes. Beltran hit one down the line that was ruled foul, but replay clearly shows it was fair. Just like the Galarraga game, which many here consider it a perfect game despite the blown call, if this one had been in the replay era, it would not be.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:39 PM (#6012686)
Does Howie maintain that Santana did not throw a no-no?



Pretty much. I don't think he believes all blown calls since the start of time to be unofficial results, but he does with Johan's record book gem.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:46 PM (#6012688)
game was 8-0, who really cares if one ball might have been called fair or foul at that point in time?
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 10, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6012689)
that "no hitter" effectively ended Santana's career--karma's a beeyotch
   12. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: April 10, 2021 at 02:08 PM (#6012690)
I just read that Victor Caratini has caught the last 2 no-nos in MLB. The last one was with the Cubs last Sep.
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 10, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6012692)
It’s been well established that there were no other missed calls in any other no-hitters in history, so I understand why people are still hung up on the Santana one.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2021 at 02:44 PM (#6012694)
that "no hitter" effectively ended Santana's career--karma's a beeyotch


Not sure about Karma, but I'm in the camp that Bud Smith's no hitter probably ended his career also by that standard.
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 10, 2021 at 04:25 PM (#6012718)
Kudos for use of the etta james tag.
   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 10, 2021 at 05:12 PM (#6012721)
Kudos for use of the etta james tag.


Seconded.
   17. John Northey Posted: April 10, 2021 at 07:19 PM (#6012735)
Another career ender - Dave Stieb after 3 times coming within an out of a no-no finally got it and the next year was injured after just 9 starts and ended up having 228 innings after the nono season with a 93 ERA+ (122 lifetime so massive drop off). And that is including the weird comeback he had after 4 years out of the game, pitching well in training camp as a coach and felt so good he decided to try again. Was a decent reliever/spot starter (96 ERA+) but nothing wow. He caught the home run hit off Roy Halladay with 2 out in the 9th of a no-hit attempt by him (caught in the bullpen - I suspect the Jays wanted to let Stieb pitch the 9th that day but with a no-no going there was no chance of that happening). Stieb also had another game or two where he pitched into the 9th with a no-no going. Outside of Nolan Ryan he probably reached the 9th with a no hitter going more than anyone.
   18. McCoy Posted: April 10, 2021 at 11:40 PM (#6012767)
Didn’t Koufax get there a couple of times?
   19. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: April 11, 2021 at 12:37 AM (#6012771)
Kudos for use of the etta james tag


I wasn't quick enough to get it without Googling, but yeah, nice.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 11, 2021 at 02:08 AM (#6012773)
Mussina lost two perfect games in the 9th and one in the 8th.
   21. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 11, 2021 at 08:01 AM (#6012779)
Stieb also had another game or two where he pitched into the 9th with a no-no going.

Stieb had back-to-back starts where he lost his no-hitter with 2 outs in the 9th inning.

September 24, 1988 - Loses no-hitter with 2-outs in the 9th inning.
September 30, 1988 - Loses no-hitter with 2-outs in the 9th inning.
   22. McCoy Posted: April 11, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6012806)
I believe Nolan had 5 no hitters broken up in the 9th. Stieb 4 and Seaver 3
   23. McCoy Posted: April 11, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6012809)
Justin Verlander has had 3 no hitters and 2 no hitters lost in the 9th.
   24. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: April 11, 2021 at 03:15 PM (#6012813)
36 pitchers have thrown multiple no hitters. Among them, I wonder who has gone the "least close" to throwing another no hitter.

For example, I would assume that almost any pitcher who is good enough to throw at least two no hitters probably had other starts where they got pretty close, as well (some are listed above). But take a guy like Johnny Vander Meer, who was the first guy I thought of as maybe one of the weaker careers on the list of 36.

He had the consecutive no hitters in 1938, but in the start before the two no hitters, he pitched nine innings, gave up three hits, and won 4-1. He gave up two of the hits and the one run in the first inning, then only gave up one more hit the next eight innings...so he actually gave up one hit in a span of...26 innings! That's got to be a record of some kind, in its own right.

At any rate, has there ever been one of these 36 pitchers who, besides their no hitters, never took another no hitter past, say, the 6th inning?
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: April 11, 2021 at 03:25 PM (#6012815)
Among them, I wonder who has gone the "least close" to throwing another no hitter.


As a Cardinal fan, I have to think of Bob Forsch, this is a guy who has 2 no hitters, 19 shutouts in his career,
   26. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: April 11, 2021 at 03:34 PM (#6012817)
That's got to be a record of some kind, in its own right.


Well, yes. It's all but impossible to match unless you pitch more than 9 innings in one of the adjacent games.

Along those lines, In the game after his perfecto, mark Buehrle was perfect until 2 outs in the 6th. In the previous game, he allowed a hit to the second to last batter he faced, so over 3 starts he had a 15 inning perfect stretch.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: April 11, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6012839)
Along those lines, In the game after his perfecto, mark Buehrle was perfect until 2 outs in the 6th. In the previous game, he allowed a hit to the second to last batter he faced, so over 3 starts he had a 15 inning perfect stretch.


The record, until it was broken by Yusmeiro Petit, who retired 46 straight batters over eight appearances.
   28. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: April 11, 2021 at 05:54 PM (#6012843)
Yeah. I don't count relievers. YMMV
   29. McCoy Posted: April 11, 2021 at 06:10 PM (#6012846)
Vander Meer actually went 29 hitless innings between 4 games. Last 8 innings of first game, 2 no hitters, and the 3 first innings of the fourth game (plus 1 out in the first and last inning of the streak).
   30. McCoy Posted: April 11, 2021 at 06:11 PM (#6012847)
He pitched 55 innings in 23 days. All CG and one 10 inning outing. Won them all

ERA went from 3.86 to 2.12.
   31. . . . . . . Posted: April 11, 2021 at 06:11 PM (#6012848)
Johnny Vander Meer, who was the first guy I thought of as maybe one of the weaker careers on the list of 36


Vander Meer blew out his arm in 1939 (likely needed TJS), but was able to reinvent himself as a guy with diminished stuff and still had a pretty damn good career. He's more of a Kerry Wood story than a true fluke, and his crazy good stretch wasn't that out of line with his stuff pre-injury in 1938. (His 5.0 K/9 was second in the NL - first place (5.2) was a guy you might've heard of named Carl Hubbell.)

   32. Mefisto Posted: April 11, 2021 at 09:04 PM (#6012860)
Jim Barr retired 41 straight over 2 consecutive games without throwing a no-hitter in either.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: April 12, 2021 at 01:53 AM (#6012886)
Ken Holtzman might be a good guess for 2 no-hitters and never close. He did have 31 ShO but he was more of a "scattered 8 hits" kinda guy. Per Stathead though, he had 2 1-hitters. A 15-0 shellack of Perry and the Giants in which he gave up the hit in the 8th and a 4-0 win over the Tigers in which he gave up a double with 2 outs in the 9th ... can't get closer than that. The only other baserunner was wiped out on a DP so it was the clutch Tom Veryzer who saved the day for the Tigers.

Wow, Johnny Vander Meer had just 3 CG ShO's of 1 hit or less ... in 1941 he gave up a hit in the 2nd inning.

There are some real surprises in the # of 1 or fewer-hitters list. Pedro only had 3 CG ShO's of 1 or fewer. Scherzer has just 3 (single in 7th). Tiant just 3 -- you'd think he had that many in 68 alone. Speaking of 68, Gibson had just 3.

The "answers" -- Steve Busby, Bob Forsch, Dutch Leonard, Allie Reynolds, Don Wilson, Tim Lincecum (oh yeah) ... and Mike Fiers and Homer Bailey. Fiers and Bailey have 2 no-hitters? Who knew? Anyway, those guys had 2 no-hitters and never had a 1-hitter CG ShO. (They may have had a 1-hitter where they gave up runs.)

EDIT: FYI, Jim Barr seems to have never thrown a 1-hit shutout.

EDIT2: In retrospect, given nobody throws CGs anymore, it should have been obvious that any recent pitchers with 2 no-hitters would be good candidates. I can't decide if Fiers or Bailey is the least likely to ever throw two.

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