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Thursday, March 08, 2012

Jonathan Papelbon: Phillies Fans More Knowledgeable Than Red Sox Fans

Papelbon: Crossing all intellectual functioning borderlines.

Jonathan Papelbon hasn’t been a member of the Philadelphia Phillies for very long, but he already notices a difference between Phillies fans and Red Sox fans.

“The difference between Boston and Philadelphia, the Boston fans are a little bit more hysterical when it comes to the game of baseball,” Papelbon said in an interview with 94WIP’s Angelo Cataldi and The Morning Team.  “The Philly fans tend to know the game a little better, being in the National League, you know, the way the game is played.

...When he became a free-agent, Papelbon says he expected more from the Red Sox. “It was a situation where the Red Sox didn’t really come at me the way I was expecting them to come at me in the off-season. And I told my agent that the first team that shows me interest and shows me loyalty, I’m going to show that right back to them, and that was Philadelphia,” he said.

What if that team showing loyalty and interest would have been the Yankees? “You hate ‘em when you play in between the lines. But there’s a fine line here. That hate and that passion to beat them was in between the lines, and that was it. I would have definitely entertained the decision to go to the Yankees if that was there, but obviously it wasn’t,” he said.

Repoz Posted: March 08, 2012 at 01:10 PM | 44 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dangerous Dean Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4076979)
Having Paplebon say that you are intellectual is a bit like having the Klan say that you are not a racist.

Ringing endorsements I'd rather not have
   2. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4076991)
It's because their brains haven't been addled by the DH.
   3. Lassus Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4076995)
I didn't remember Papelbon was with the Phillies until after I opened the thread.
   4. JoeC Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4077007)
Keanu Reeves: Fermilab's Higgs Boson results more reliable than the LHC's
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4077026)
SoSH U: Ceiling Fans More Knowledgeable Than Papelbon.

   6. Dan Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4077041)
I figured Papelbon signed with the Phillies because he wanted to be a real baseball player and split his efforts equally between run prevention and run creation, not "loyalty" or money. I'm glad he cleared that up.
   7. Dale Sams Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4077047)
Keanu Reeves: Fermilab's Higgs Boson results more reliable than the LHC's


Holly Beckett: "Papelbon picks his nose and wipes it on the ball."
   8. JRVJ Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4077050)
What with their colonial pasts, I kind of like the idea of Boston and Philly having a rivalry.

Other than in the early 80s with the NBA's Sixers and Celtics, I can't recall there being a rivalry, which I guess is partially because of not coinciding (i.e., teams from both cities don't necessarily play in the same leagues and/or were not good at the same time) and because of everybody's hate of NYC.

P.S. I admit that I don't follow Hockey, and it's possible that I will be told in no uncertain terms that Bruins - Flyers is a horrible rivalry in which parents tell their children not to even speak to the fans of the other team. Having studied in Philly in the mid-to-late 90s, I never caught whiff of that, though.
   9. Mattbert Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4077052)
SoSH U: Ceiling Fans More Knowledgeable Than Papelbon.

Primey.
   10. Randy Jones Posted: March 08, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4077055)
P.S. I admit that I don't follow Hockey, and it's possible that I will be told in no uncertain terms that Bruins - Flyers is a horrible rivalry


Nah, Penguins and Rangers are bigger rivals for the Flyers.
   11. JoeC Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4077064)
What with their colonial pasts, I kind of like the idea of Boston and Philly having a rivalry.


I've always liked that the World Series was Boston v. Philly two straight years - Braves over A's in 1914, and Red Sox over Phillies in 1915. I wonder whether fans back then picked a side in two-team cities and hated the other team the way they mostly do today.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4077071)
Anyone want to take a swing at how a team can show "loyalty" before you even sign with them?
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4077075)
Other than in the early 80s with the NBA's Sixers and Celtics, I can't recall there being a rivalry . . .

If you're going to bring up the NBA (and let's not have another ####### basketball thread), the rivalry was much more intense in the Chamberlain v. Russell days.
   14. Dan Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4077077)
Anyone want to take a swing at how a team can show "loyalty" before you even sign with them?


$$$$$
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4077084)
$$$$$


Fair point - I should clarify that I was referring to the actual, standard meaning of the word "loyalty," not any of the Roget's Pro Athlete Thesaurus terms.
   16. RJames Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4077085)
Anyone want to take a swing at how a team can show "loyalty" before you even sign with them?


It has to do with how much money for how many years they are willing to pony up.
   17. RJames Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4077089)
Other than in the early 80s with the NBA's Sixers and Celtics, I can't recall there being a rivalry,


The Bruins and the Flyers had something going back in the day. The A's/Red Sox competed for pennants in the previous century's teens.
   18. JRVJ Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4077093)
11, Hadn't thought of that. Great question, too.

13, Wasn't alive then, but I was alive in the early 80s (still remember when Boston fans chanted "Beat LA, Beat LA", in the deciding game of the 1982 Eastern Conference Finals).
   19. Padraic Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4077097)
What, no one thinks Paplebon was glancing through this over the winter?
   20. Dan Posted: March 08, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4077106)
Papelbon has literally been quoted as saying "I don't read books."
   21. Bruce Markusen Posted: March 08, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4077136)
Do the Red Sox and Phillies play this season? More importantly, do they play in Boston?
   22. jyjjy Posted: March 08, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4077148)
The use of loyalty in that quote combined with telling his agent to sign with the first team that shows interest hurts my brain.
   23. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 08, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4077150)
Shock horror, Papelbon is good for an ill advised quote. I believe this comes under those water is wet, sun rises in East type of categories.
   24. Dale Sams Posted: March 08, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4077170)
Do the Red Sox and Phillies play this season? More importantly, do they play in Boston?


I believe they play every season. Which has irritated me to no end, what with the Phils being good and all.
   25. JMM Posted: March 08, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4077174)
Shock horror, Papelbon is good for an ill advised quote.

On what planet is sucking up to your new team's fans "ill-advised?"
   26. Dale Sams Posted: March 08, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4077175)
Playing DV for a sec...

, the Boston fans are a little bit more hysterical


In 2008 after Papelbon blew two back to back saves early in the season, I heard people calling for Okajima to be the closer.

RSN is hysterical.
   27. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 08, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4077187)
   28. Chip Posted: March 08, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4077210)
I just like that he's saying this after being exposed to whatever version of Phillies fans show up for a couple of weeks in Florida, rather than the real thing. Get back to us Pap when you blow a couple saves on a single homestand against the Braves or, worse yet, the Mets.
   29. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 08, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4077217)
#25, way to nitpick, nice one.

The Philly fans tend to know the game a little better, being in the National League, you know, the way the game is played.

This quote is inane. You can call it sucking up, I call it ill-advised. Alienating a fan base which was once supportive to score some minor points with the new fan base is just very Papelbon.

I am sure the verbal "sucking up" will see it's merits tested when he performs as suggested in post 28, and blows a few saves against division rivals. I am sure the boos will come out the first time he walks the leadoff hitter and the player advances to 2nd then 3rd on pitcher indifference. Those overly knowledgeable, yet incredibly loyal Philly fans will be positively stoked with this sequence of events.
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: March 08, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4077223)
I hate the silly trend in soccer that players who scores against their old clubs doesn't celebrate. So I quite like the spirit of what Papelbon is saying here, but the observations themselves are trite.
   31. AndrewJ Posted: March 08, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4077228)
Boston's not a big college town.
   32. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: March 08, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4077234)
Bruins-Flyers it's a great rivalry but there is some animosiry there. I went to Philly in '05 to see the Sox play the Phil's and really enjoyed myself. The Phillie fans were as much fun a group of fans as I've ever dealt with when seeing the Sox on the road.
   33. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: March 08, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4077269)
I'm a Bruins fan, but I know the Flyer's coach's dad (look at me!!!), so I don't as get excited about a B's-Flyers game as I do for B's-Canadiens game, even when the Canadiens stink.

Boy, it didn't take long for Papelbon to size up the intellect of Phillies fans. Maybe he's a quicker study than I thought.
   34. RJames Posted: March 08, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4077281)
Second #32. The first time I saw the Phillies play in their own joint was in the early '80's when they were still playing in the Vet. The park was gawd-awful ugly but the fans were very funny and entertaining, in a sarcastic kind of way.
   35. G.W.O. Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4077469)
Hey, he's not saying anything Ben Franklin hasn't said before....

/ Boom! Founding Father burn!
   36. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4077470)
Yeah, I went to see the Sox in Philly in '06 and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Phillies fans were pretty great...until Beckett homered to put the Sox up. Then things got a little more tense.
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4077474)
I went to that game too. I had no problems with the Philly fans.
   38. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4077477)
Papelbon had a major bounceback year last year, reversing - and then some - some troubling trends. He's really a fantastic reliever, under-appreciated by Red Sox fans the past couple of years.

His 65 innings will be missed as much as 65 innings could be missed.
   39. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4077485)
Here are Rivera's stats, ages 26-31, i.e., not counting his bad 1995 as a starter. I picked this range so that his innings totals compared roughly with Papelbon's career:

466 innings, 217 ERA+, 6.7 H/9, 0.4 HR/9, 2.4 BB/9, 8.2 K/9

Here is Papelbon's career, ages 24-30:

429 innings, 197 ERA+, 6.8 H/9, 0.6 HR/9, 2.4 BB/9, 10.7 K/9

That is very comparable.

Of course, the huge thing about Rivera is that he kept it up for another decade, with never a bad season. But Papelbon is right there with him so far.

Haven't checked to see which other relievers were able to hang with Rivera for the first 450 innings or so of their career.
   40. Ron J Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4077492)
#8 The Flyers upset a really good Bruins team to win their first Stanley Cup in 1974. Can't really call them rivals to that point. They were in different conferences and the Flyers never had any success against the Bruins before that series.

Even by the standards of Stanley Cup finals it was a bitterly contested affair, but it didn't lead to any kind of established rivalry.
   41. phatj Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4077499)
I'm happy to have Papelbon on my favorite baseball team, but not real thrilled that Papelbon's mouth came along for the ride.

I wish everybody, players and fans alike, would just quit with the rival fan dick-measuring contests.
   42. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 09, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4077511)
This is a BRAIN-measuring contest. And Papelbon is the ultimate neutral arbitrator.
   43. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: March 09, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4077544)
That is very comparable.


In the aggregate, yes, but as you note the whole point of Rivera is that he's in his 40's and has never had a bad season. Papelbon had one of those at 29. I think the list of relievers who can truly hang with Mo starts and ends with Trevor Hoffman, but even he had a couple of bumps in the road.

More importantly, I'm not really getting why anyone has bothered to post anything to this thread besides "#5 wins the thread" since yesterday afternoon. Then again, I'm about to hit submit so I'd better add... #5 won the thread.
   44. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 09, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4077554)
#5 was witty?

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