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Thursday, June 23, 2011

Josh Hamilton Thinks Blue Eyes Hinder Daytime Hitting

“I ask guys all the time,” Hamilton told ESPN 103.3 FM’s Bryan Dolgin when asked if he had any theories to his drastic splits. “Guys with blue eyes, brown eyes, whatever ... and guys with blue eyes have a tough time.”

Guess this is why we never saw Frank Sinatra in a Yankee uniform.

Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: June 23, 2011 at 06:20 PM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. smileyy Posted: June 23, 2011 at 08:54 PM (#3860772)
A shame the Reds didn't keep Hamilton so that Dusty Baker could offer his particular wisdom.
   2. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: June 23, 2011 at 08:59 PM (#3860780)
When Glenn Davis was with the Astros he had problems hitting in day games. For a while he experimented with tinted glasses and contacts, sometimes stepping up to the plate wearing aviator shades...
Davis is a pretty pale white guy with dirty blond hair, but I don't recall his exact eye color...
   3. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:04 PM (#3860791)
<sigh>

I submitted this one too. Thought about going the Sinatra route in the intro, as well.

Instead, I was interested to see if someone could run some day/night splits by eye colour and also noted that Cobb, Musial, Hornsby and Foxx were all blue-eyed, while Williams, Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio had brown or green-brown eyes (in Williams' case).
   4. Dock Ellis Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:06 PM (#3860795)
Or maybe his body is still used to sleeping all day from the junkie years.
   5. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:12 PM (#3860806)
Nobody knows what it's like to be the bat man behind blue eyes.
   6. bfan Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:20 PM (#3860823)
This seems like something that can be studied and proven true or false, and it would be worth some team's money to do that, to gain a competitive advantage with eye-wear for players who are disadvantaged by playing day baseball, if it is true (that blue-eyed players fair worse in day games). I assume there would be some lens tint that would help those players.
   7. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:22 PM (#3860826)
Including Sinatra let me use the "Music" tag.

This does seem like something worth a study. I mean what the hell, if a team can gain a little advantage once in awhile...

EDIT: Coke to bfan
   8. scotto Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:23 PM (#3860828)
Nobody knows what it's like to be the bat man behind blue eyes.

This is exceptional.
   9. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:24 PM (#3860831)
bfan: There is also a little bit of research indicating that "morning people" do better in day games, etc.

Is this the next market inefficiency to be exploited -- eye colour analysis/correction and testing to determine who's a "night owl", etc.?
   10. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:30 PM (#3860834)
Whatever happened to the red-tinted contacts that a few players wore in day games a few years ago? (Dave Roberts and Mike Timlin are the only two I can remember off-hand)
   11. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:31 PM (#3860835)
Rates of eye disorders like cataracts and macular degeneration vary by eye color, so it wouldn't be at all surprising if eye color affected vision as well. Mrs. McGunnigle is of Irish stock with extremely pale blue eyes, and she's very sensitive to light. Anecdotally, you hear complaints like that a lot. And if you think about it, blue eyes were originally prevalent in Ireland, north Germany, the Baltic, places like that, places that are very far north and that are dark a lot of the year. Having eyes that are especially sensitive to light in a north European environment would seem to be a selective advantage. It makes a degree of sense.
   12. catomi01 Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:50 PM (#3860859)
Maybe this is why I can hit 700 on my Monday night softball team, but am down near 300 on my Sunday morning team...
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 23, 2011 at 09:52 PM (#3860864)
   14. rfloh Posted: June 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM (#3860882)
Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 23, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3860831)

bfan: There is also a little bit of research indicating that "morning people" do better in day games, etc.

Is this the next market inefficiency to be exploited -- eye colour analysis/correction and testing to determine who's a "night owl", etc.?


"Morning people" doing better than night owls in day games isn't surprising. When the day game starts, they would have been up longer. For someone on a "normal" schedule, peak physical performance occurs around late afternoon to evening. Core temperature (which helps muscles and soft tissue work better) is higher, neural system is firing faster.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: June 23, 2011 at 10:15 PM (#3860883)
The link in #9 is terrific: the study follows 16 players and tracked only batting average. I mean, it might still be correct, but come on!
   16. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 23, 2011 at 10:16 PM (#3860885)
So would it be worthwhile to determine who's a morning person, etc. and use bench and platoon players accordingly for day and night games?

Edit: not in response to 15, but to 14. As for the credibility of the research, I just scanned the article and sent it. Sorry if it's crap.
   17. LionoftheSenate Posted: June 23, 2011 at 10:49 PM (#3860909)
I wouldn't be surprised if this blue eye, dark eye thing is true. MLB hitters are going to be ultra sensitive to details common men would never think to notice. Wade Boggs, I believe, insisted that Fenway's addition of a few rows of roof seats completely messed up the wind patterns, enough to change his power production. (I'm sure a Sox fan will correct me on the details)
   18. Biscuit_pants Posted: June 23, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3860917)
Wade Boggs, I believe, insisted that Fenway's addition of a few rows of roof seats completely messed up the wind patterns, enough to change his power production.
That and the switch from original recipe to extra-crispy!
   19. t ball Posted: June 23, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3860941)
Nobody knows what it's like to be the bat man behind blue eyes.

This is exceptional.


Agreed, nicely done.
   20. Bhaakon Posted: June 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3860957)
And if you think about it, blue eyes were originally prevalent in Ireland, north Germany, the Baltic, places like that, places that are very far north and that are dark a lot of the year. Having eyes that are especially sensitive to light in a north European environment would seem to be a selective advantage. It makes a degree of sense.


Except that one of the brightest natural conditions is snow-covered terrain.
   21. Jesus Luzardo Maraschino Posted: June 24, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3860996)
How does this effect Max Scherzer's HOF case????
   22. zenbitz Posted: June 24, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3861033)
I have been playing a lot of Yu-Gi-Oh with my son, so I assumed he meant "Blue Eyes White Dragon".
   23. Srul Itza Posted: June 24, 2011 at 01:47 AM (#3861062)
Nobody knows what it's like to be the bat man behind blue eyes.

This is exceptional.


Concur
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 02:07 AM (#3861082)
I was interested to see if someone could run some day/night splits by eye colour

I half expect Sean to get eye and hair color up on b-r.com by morning.
   25. bobm Posted: June 24, 2011 at 02:39 AM (#3861142)
[10]
Whatever happened to the red-tinted contacts that a few players wore in day games a few years ago?


They use them on chickens.
   26. The District Attorney Posted: June 24, 2011 at 03:12 AM (#3861176)
Wade Boggs, I believe, insisted that Fenway's addition of a few rows of roof seats completely messed up the wind patterns, enough to change his power production.
That and the switch from original recipe to extra-crispy!
That, and drinking 70 beers before the game.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: June 24, 2011 at 03:15 AM (#3861180)
Except that one of the brightest natural conditions is snow-covered terrain.

We don't go out in the winter.

I have blue eyes and have some issues with brightness. Weirdly, when I go from indoors to sunny outdoors, I almost always sneeze, almost always three times. :-) But there are times when I have a hard time dealing with the brightness. And I don't know if it's more than another person's would be but my eye doc tells me I've got sun damage to my eyes and should wear shades as much as possible when outside.

On the other hand, extended periods of cloud cover (as in 2-3 days) makes me kinda depressed. I never realized this until I moved away from Chicago (basically no sun from Nov through March) to NC which had much more sun in winter.

Here in NZ, where we have no ozone, I am slathered in sunscreen and wearing shades/hat from about Sept through April.
   28. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 03:41 AM (#3861198)
Weirdly, when I go from indoors to sunny outdoors, I almost always sneeze, almost always three times.


The only other person I ever knew who had this had eyes so dark brown they were almost black.

Anyway, I'm fairly skeptical.

one of the brightest natural conditions is snow-covered terrain.


And these are the places that get the MOST sun in the summertime. Sun goes down after 10 PM in Dublin and Berlin on the solstice.

Of course, I'm not sure blue-eyedness is historically terribly prevalent in Ireland.
   29. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 03:42 AM (#3861201)
Also, Teddy Ballgame's eyes look pretty dark brown in all the pictures I can find. Not that surprising, given that his mother was Mexican.
   30. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 24, 2011 at 04:39 AM (#3861231)
Aw, crud! And just when I've already bought my everlovin' blue-eyed baseball gear!
   31. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 04:46 AM (#3861234)
Weirdly, when I go from indoors to sunny outdoors, I almost always sneeze, almost always three times.


I do that too. It's called photic sneeze reflex.
   32. The Well-Tempered Javier Vasquez (loungehead) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 08:18 AM (#3861268)
I just wanted to say thanks to Teddy F. Ballgame. I, too, am among those affected (and I think at least one of my kids is as well), but my wife always thought it exceptionally odd. Now I can tell her it's not THAT exceptional.

The link indicates that it's not necessarily a hereditary thing but might be; I wonder if I can chalk it up as another of my many recessive traits, like the red hair and color blindness.
   33. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 02:13 PM (#3861368)
Mrs. McGunnigle is of Irish stock with extremely pale blue eyes, and she's very sensitive to light. Anecdotally, you hear complaints like that a lot.

My wife is the the same way.

I, on the other hand, apparently share the same eye color as Ted Williams, but that's about all we share.
   34. Avoid Running At All Times- S. Paige Posted: June 24, 2011 at 02:24 PM (#3861373)
I have blue eyes and have some issues with brightness. Weirdly, when I go from indoors to sunny outdoors, I almost always sneeze, almost always three times.


Me too. I photic sneeze reflex all the time.
   35. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: June 24, 2011 at 03:33 PM (#3861425)
Nobody knows what it's like to be the bat man behind blue eyes.

This is exceptional.


Agreed, nicely done.


Indeed. Very well played, sir.
   36. bunyon Posted: June 24, 2011 at 03:41 PM (#3861430)
one of the brightest natural conditions is snow-covered terrain.



And these are the places that get the MOST sun in the summertime. Sun goes down after 10 PM in Dublin and Berlin on the solstice.


More hours of daylight, but not brighter sunshine, which depends on the altitude of the sun in the sky. The sun is lower the farther north you go from either Tropic. Northern Europe is, relatively, darker than most other inhabited places given the low altitude of the sun and the amount of cloudy days.

Now, what about Eskimos?
   37. RobertMachemer Posted: June 24, 2011 at 05:36 PM (#3861515)
Another "allergic to bright light" person here -- with blue eyes, if it matters -- and I have much the same reaction when I use tweezers on certain parts of my eyebrows.
   38. rdfc Posted: June 24, 2011 at 08:03 PM (#3861659)
Re "Wade Boggs, I believe, insisted that Fenway's addition of a few rows of roof seats completely messed up the wind patterns, enough to change his power production."

Don't know about Boggs, but I know some physicists interviewed in the Globe claimed so at the time.

However, Fenway's park factor foe home runs went up after those seats were added.
   39. aberg Posted: June 24, 2011 at 08:32 PM (#3861678)
I had a friend who was utterly convinced that there is a positive relationship between pale skin and sensitivity to spicy food. Seems related to this topic.
   40. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 24, 2011 at 08:35 PM (#3861683)
Brown hair, brown, eyes, photic sneeze reflex positive.

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