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Juneteenth Weekend OMNICHATTER, for June 18-20, 2021

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Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: June 18, 2021 at 02:24 PM | 137 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: June 20, 2021 at 01:04 AM (#6025312)
Shohei Ohtani's last 14 games:
.348/.481/.930, 7 homers, 4 doubles, 3 stolen bases
2-0 in three starts, 17 IP, 23 Ks, 3 walks, 2.65 ERA
   102. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6025354)
Cardinals at least have showed up for the first game.... and sadly the announcers remind me that these are a pair of 7 inning games....
   103. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 03:56 PM (#6025357)
Wainwright, in his 14th start of the season, has received 4 runs of support for the fourth time this season.

Cardinals up 6-1 right now, Edman, Arenado, Carlson and Goldschimdt have a multiple hit day so far.
   104. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 03:59 PM (#6025358)
Wow... Arizona is not a good team this year. 16 straight losses.
   105. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:00 PM (#6025359)
Cardinals haven't made up the shellacking they got from the Braves on Friday, up 7-1 now, need a couple more just to match the ass whooping they received on Friday.
   106. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:02 PM (#6025360)
Make that 8-1 (bases loaded 1 out, top of the 6th in a 7 inning game) Cardinals biggest power threat (Tyler O'Neil) up to bat.

edit: 9-1 with the sac fly.
   107. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:11 PM (#6025361)
Shorten game, doesn't stop Wainwright from dominating, 10 strikeouts, 3 hits, 2 walks. 1 run allowed. (strikes out of the side to get to 11) 94 pitches, hopefully Shildt doesn't do a Shildty thing and pull Wain simply because his spot in the lineup comes up.
   108. TomH Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:13 PM (#6025364)
Kyle Schwarber, after three dingers today, is "on pace" to hit 43 home runs yet only cross the plate 71 times.

4 men have hit 40 or more homers in a season and scored fewer than 80 runs.
. . . . . name . . . . YEAR HR R
1 Frank Howard... 1968 44 79
T2 Juan Gonzalez 1992 43 77
T2 Matt Williams.. 1994 43 74
4 Adam Dunn..... 2008 40 79

What is even MORE surprising is... unlike the others, Schwarber is hitting leadoff!
   109. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:13 PM (#6025365)
Unbelievable end to the Yankees-A's game: 2 on, no outs, Chapman's thrown 9 balls and 1 strike, looking completely lost and indecisive.

And then he gets a 5-4-3 triple play to seal a 2-1 win. It was the Yankees' 3rd triple play of the year.
   110. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:15 PM (#6025366)
I was about to say, it feels like there have been a lot more than normal number of triple plays this year.
   111. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:17 PM (#6025367)
previous 7 games, the Cardinals have 10 runs, they have 9 today... ouch.
   112. TomH Posted: June 20, 2021 at 04:33 PM (#6025372)
wow. The Yankees strike out 15 times, draw two walks, only get 3 hits (no home runs); the A's strike out much less, walk more, hit a dinger; and lose.
   113. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 20, 2021 at 05:19 PM (#6025373)
Pujols hit a three run bomb today, blasted it. Pujols has actually put up decent batting and slugging averages since joining the Dodgers. If he just threw in an occasional walk, he’d have a real solid line.
   114. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: June 20, 2021 at 05:22 PM (#6025374)
What is even MORE surprising is... unlike the others, Schwarber is hitting leadoff!
Wow, his OBP must be trash.

(Looks it up) Why's he leading off?
   115. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 20, 2021 at 05:58 PM (#6025380)
The Arizona Diamondbacks are a really bad team this year.
   116. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: June 20, 2021 at 06:09 PM (#6025383)
Shohei Ohtani has homered AGAIN, his 23rd. It's a 2-run shot, and it ties the game at 3-3.
   117. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 06:12 PM (#6025384)
I get that Waino isn't really in the same stratosphere as Verlander or Kershaw, but with his 26th complete game today, he ties Verlander (and breaks a tie with Kershaw) for most complete games among active pitchers. I honestly assumed Greinke (17) would be a bit higher. Still hang your hat on whatever you can (example Yadier tied Bench in career hits today also)

   118. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6025385)
It's sad, it's June and I'm actually looking at the standings and rooting against a team.

6-6 Brewers vs Rockies, Kolten Wong having a good game 3-4 with 3 rbi, 2 runs, 6 total bases (hr, 2 singles) and he'll bat second in the 9th.

Edit: Nobody should care about the standings in June, the team just needs to go out and do their thing. The standings is just a moment in time and means nothing, and I know this. But at the same time, in St Louis blogosphere too many people are harping about the Cardinals and their place in the standings, that I just want them to shut the f up. (from this point on in the season the Cardinals over the past decade have averaged something like 18 wins above .500... it takes a bit of effort to find your personality for some teams)
   119. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2021 at 06:24 PM (#6025386)
wow. The Yankees strike out 15 times, draw two walks, only get 3 hits (no home runs); the A's strike out much less, walk more, hit a dinger; and lose.

Other than Chapman, who had a horseshoe up his ass, the Yankees pitchers today were all very good to outstanding. Loaisiga's ERA outside of one horrific outing against the Nats in a blowout loss is well under a run a game, and IYAM he's arguably been the most valuable Yankee, given his use in high leverage situations. Craig Kimbrel's on a pace to having a career year with the Cubs, and Loaisiga's arguably having just as good a season, with identical WAR and a virtually identical RE24.
   120. JJ1986 Posted: June 20, 2021 at 06:30 PM (#6025387)
Craig Kimbrel's on a pace to having a career year with the Cubs, and Loaisiga's arguably having just as good a season, with identical WAR and a virtually identical RE24.
And almost half of Kimbrel's K/9.
   121. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2021 at 06:31 PM (#6025388)
The A's wanted to lose FAR more than the Yankees did.

Chapman enters and, after having pitched Saturday has nothing (per the Yankees radio postgame, anyway).

A's down a run in the 9th
Walk
Walk
1-0 count

taking? hell to the no - and batter turns the next pitch into a grounder to third base and a game-ending triple play (2nd in 4 games for NYY and 3rd of the season).

first "walkoff triple play" since the Phillies whammied the Mets at Citi Field in 2009.
   122. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 20, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6025390)
Why's he leading off?
A perceived lack of other options, and Schwarber has only batted lead off in 11 games. Trea Turner would be a better option, but the Nationals seem to want him up when more men are on base. That would seem helpful for Schwarber, too, but I’m not a MLB Manager. Schwarber does have 9 HRs since being moved to the leadoff spot, so not that much to criticize.

I was part of the sweltering crowd of 30,371 (93°), and while Schwarber’s 3 HRs were certainly well-appreciated, the even more enthusiastic reaction was for the return of Gerardo Parra, accompanied by robust version of Baby Shark, who pinch hit a double ahead of Schwarber’s 3rd HR.
   123. The Duke Posted: June 20, 2021 at 07:59 PM (#6025392)
Mets Cohen talking like there’s no salary cap for him. Cards Mozeliak basically threw in the towel today and said the Cards aren’t doing much, if anything.
   124. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 08:13 PM (#6025397)
Mets Cohen talking like there’s no salary cap for him. Cards Mozeliak basically threw in the towel today and said the Cards aren’t doing much, if anything.


I get that people want things to happen, but I'm not really seeing what the Cardinals can do. Roster wise the team is set just fine at catcher, first, second, short, third, right, and center. Pitching wise they have a few reliable starters, a couple of potentials and a few that they are waiting for return from the IL. Bullpen is solid enough. It's a winnable division as long as you tread water until you get your pieces back. The bench is solid also.

There is no need to make a panic move simply because the fan base is filled with idiots. Play .500 ball, hope for a couple of weeks of luck and the division or wild card is attainable. It's not like the Cubs are about to pull away from the pack. Considering the biggest rumor of a trade involves the Cardinals trading Nolan Gorman for a pitcher on a free agent contract... that is not a move I want to see happen.
   125. The Duke Posted: June 20, 2021 at 09:27 PM (#6025412)
No I agree but the team is in desperate need of pitching. Mikolas isn’t coming back and I doubt we’ll see a good Flaherty start until Sept. a good rental SP is critical if he wants to win the division. The sooner the better.

Failing that, I’d like to see them move Miller, Martinez and Carpenter for whatever they can get. None of those deals would hurt us and it might help.
   126. The Duke Posted: June 20, 2021 at 09:49 PM (#6025423)
I’d consider trading Dejong as well. Sosa is fine for a year. Edman can move to SS when Gorman moves to 2B in 2023.
   127. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2021 at 09:57 PM (#6025426)
Craig Kimbrel's on a pace to having a career year with the Cubs, and Loaisiga's arguably having just as good a season, with identical WAR and a virtually identical RE24.

And almost half of Kimbrel's K/9.


What of it? Loaisiga's also had 14 games where he pitched more than a single inning. Kimbrel's had 3. Loaisiga gets called into games at critical late inning junctions, often with runners on base, not just for one-inning saves with no inherited runners. Strikeout rates are important, but they're hardly the only measure of a pitcher's efficiency or value.
   128. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2021 at 10:00 PM (#6025428)
Chapman enters and, after having pitched Saturday has nothing (per the Yankees radio postgame, anyway).

A's down a run in the 9th
Walk
Walk
1-0 count


Even that doesn't do justice to just how wild Chapman was. Only one of those balls was even close to the strike zone. He was examining his finger at one point, which might have at least partly explained his control problem.
   129. cardsfanboy Posted: June 20, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6025430)
I’d consider trading Dejong as well. Sosa is fine for a year. Edman can move to SS when Gorman moves to 2B in 2023.


Who is available for the team in a win now situation? Nobody is going to give us anything for Carpenter, so he's just a salary dump to another contending team for a B tier prospect at best. Martinez has value of course, but at the same time, it's not like we would get any more certainty with a trade of him for another pitcher, it would just be a challenge trade. And Miller is a complete non-factor, no trade value, and doesn't add or hurt the team in any way... so these weird ass fantasies of trading people and getting something back in return, is about as sensible as thinking the election was fixed.... it's just pure idiocy. Instead of saying who you would get rid of, how about who you would add to the team, and realize that there is nothing out there that is going to improve the team for this season that is worth the cost.
   130. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6025433)
is about as sensible as thinking the election was fixed

unless you are talking about the last BBWAA vote, what in holy hell does that have to do with baseball?
zero positive value - and with the risk of some sort of tangent continued by other posters, and then perhaps you in return, that 99.97 pct of us are tired of (per the last BBTF poll).
   131. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2021 at 10:24 PM (#6025438)
That was a throwaway line in the middle of a completely baseball related comment,** a line that only you would've gotten your panties in a bunch about. Christ, how many nannies do we need around here?

** Whereas your comment was 100% political.
   132. Howie Menckel Posted: June 20, 2021 at 10:49 PM (#6025454)
it was a completely unproductive comment, at best - of the sort that has helped drive away countless posters and lurkers over the years. it's a Sunday night, it's a baseball site, and somebody has to revive some tired old political meme for reasons unknown. regardless of what it is, what is the point?

and your response is to double down on it. amazing. seeking an oasis from banal punching and counterpunching is now objectionable.

I guess in the end, as they say, we get the dwindling BBTF that we deserve.

and "too many nannies" is an bizarre take, on a site where barely any posters can get an article posted precisely due to a lack of supervision.
   133. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 20, 2021 at 11:29 PM (#6025485)
Yet you were the only one who reacted to it. Just give it a rest. Cardsfanboy wasn't trying to provoke any political argument.

And "nannies" obviously referred in this case to people who are constantly monitoring comments and trying to tell others what and what not to say, which you've been doing pretty much ever since you first started posting here. Maybe "hall monitor" would have been a more appropriate term.

If you want to continue this sub-conversation, feel free. I won't respond. My own prior comments on this and other current threads have been strictly 100% baseball related.
   134. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 21, 2021 at 12:11 AM (#6025491)
CFB is one of the few remaining posters who insert ‘throwaway’ political comments in baseball threads. It doesn’t add anything.
   135. TomH Posted: June 21, 2021 at 07:05 AM (#6025501)
agree with 133 - Cardsfanboy wasn't trying to provoke any political argument.

but also agree with 132 - unproductive comment, ... the sort that has helped drive away countless posters

innocuously intended comments, even if true, if they hit subjects that are already overdone, can trigger emotional non-baseball debate. HM didn't Need to jump on it; he coulda let it go; but I understand his point.
   136. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 21, 2021 at 12:42 PM (#6025540)

This game-ending play -- ironically, by a Pirates' minor league team -- was pretty wild.
   137. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 21, 2021 at 01:08 PM (#6025546)
when was that?
2 or 3 years ago

NYC is a bit .... aggressive when it comes to security. possibly there is a reason for that

nothing for the Jackie Robinson Rotunda, the OF food court area w the little kids 'field,' the food, the lounges, the upside-down top hat where a Big Apple rises out of it when the Mets hit a home run, the 'bridge' that goes across the OF spectator area, the RF overhang, the McFadden's sports bar?
CBP’s feature is great sight lines. All that stuff you mention is “stuff”. Everybody has a food court and a kid area.

all of it is "sterile"?
Not the playing field, sorry, I overreached. Of course any playing field is lovely in my eyes.

what is the big signature element to the Phillies park? (and no, the in-house jail to handle all the hooligans may be unique, but it doesn't count.)
Sorry, you are mentioning the previous stadium and that was another sport. But you knew that of course.
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