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Monday, December 05, 2022

Justin Verlander heading to Mets (source)

This is a much better option for the Mets.

After losing Jacob deGrom to the Rangers in free agency over the weekend, the Mets are reportedly reaching an agreement with another top free-agent arm in Justin Verlander, a source told MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi. SNY’s Andy Martino was the first to report the deal. Per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman and others, the contract is for two years and $86 million, with a third-year vesting option.

jimfurtado Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:33 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: justin verlander, mets

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   1. JRVJ Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:36 PM (#6108028)
Huge Verlander fan.

Will deeply dislike seeing him pitch for the Mets.
   2. Adam Starblind Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:39 PM (#6108030)
Cohen is such a cheapskate.
   3. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:44 PM (#6108035)
Upton-approved!
   4. The Duke Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:45 PM (#6108036)
That's a lot of dough.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:47 PM (#6108037)
yes, better contract fit for Mets.

Max and JV, DET 2010-14:
JV 83-43, 2011 Cy
Max 82-33, 2013 Cy
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:54 PM (#6108039)
Verlander and Max together? Get Porcello out of retirement!
   7. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:55 PM (#6108040)
43. Wow.

I wonder if there wasn't a way to spread this out more to mitigate the luxury tax hit. (Assuming the Mets go over. I don't know the state of their finances.) If you're talking about signing a multi year deal with a pitcher who is over 40, why not make him a Met for life. Sign him through age 48 or something, at much lower AAV. With the assumption that you'll release him once he's no good anymore. (Or does that retroactively mess with luxury tax calculations?)
   8. Darren Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:58 PM (#6108041)
Looks like I was 100% wrong about the top starters not getting $40 mil+.
   9. reech Posted: December 05, 2022 at 01:01 PM (#6108042)
2 years for JV is alot less a gamble than 5 for JD.

LFGM!
   10. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 05, 2022 at 01:02 PM (#6108044)
I'd also prefer the 2 year JV deal over the 5 year JD deal.
   11. reech Posted: December 05, 2022 at 01:09 PM (#6108049)
Plus, we get Kate Upton!
   12. The Duke Posted: December 05, 2022 at 01:11 PM (#6108051)
Rodon likely 6/180 now. And you'll feel good about it !
   13. Astroenteritis Posted: December 05, 2022 at 02:24 PM (#6108073)
It's been a blast watching Verlander pitch for the Astros, and I hope he wins a lot of games with the Mets. Glad he went to an NL team.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: December 05, 2022 at 02:50 PM (#6108083)
all-time MLB strikeout leaders, and the 2023 Mets seesaw battle:

10. Greg Maddux+ (23) 3371 5008.1
11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 3342 5404.0
12. JUSTIN VERLANDER (17, 39) 3198 3163.0
13. MAX SCHERZER (15, 37) 3193 2682.0
14. Fergie Jenkins+ (19) 3192 4500.2
15. Pedro Martinez+ (18) 3154 2827.1

16. Bob Gibson+ (17) 3117 3884.1
17. Curt Schilling (20) 3116 3261.0
18. CC Sabathia (19) 3093 3577.1
19. John Smoltz+ (21) 3084 3473.0
20. ZACK GREINKE (19, 38) 2882 3247.0

21. Jim Bunning+ (17) 2855 3760.1
22. Mickey Lolich (16) 2832 3638.1
23. Mike Mussina+ (18) 2813 3562.2
24. CLAYTON KERSHAW (15, 34) 2807 2581.0
25. Cy Young+ (22) 2803 7356.0
   15. AndrewJ Posted: December 05, 2022 at 03:54 PM (#6108115)
So glad things are finally beginning to break Justin’s way. He’s suffered so.
   16. Adam Starblind Posted: December 05, 2022 at 06:41 PM (#6108149)
Kate Upton says the Yankees offered more, but he preferred the Mets. Where’s Karl from NY?
   17. Banta Posted: December 06, 2022 at 11:27 AM (#6108225)
I somehow missed this news yesterday. I am very pleased with this. Not only would I rather have this contract over deGrom’s, I’m pretty sure I’d want Verlander in general over Jake. Maybe I’m just coping, but I don’t have a ton of confidence for deGrom to be anything close to his best pitcher in baseball level anymore. Verlander just showed he can still be elite.
   18. bobm Posted: December 06, 2022 at 11:54 AM (#6108233)
This is a much better option for the Mets.

Plus, we get Kate Upton!


Option J[ustin]?
   19. Lassus Posted: December 06, 2022 at 11:56 AM (#6108234)
Not only would I rather have this contract over deGrom’s,
Yes.

I’m pretty sure I’d want Verlander in general over Jake.
Nah. The electricity and home-grown level is just too high to pass up for me, subjectively. I honestly think it's a coinflip between these two regarding health/performance.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: December 06, 2022 at 12:10 PM (#6108240)
16. Bob Gibson+ (17) 3117 3884.1


At one point in time that was second all time.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: December 06, 2022 at 02:50 PM (#6108286)
I wonder where Gibson ranks on the K%/lgK% rankings. Gibson's at 1.33. Johnson's at 1.61 which I assume is #1 (unless it's somebody like Young). Nope here's Randy Johnson way out at 1.75. Even Scherzer is at 1.44.
   22. AndrewJ Posted: December 06, 2022 at 03:07 PM (#6108289)
I wonder where Gibson ranks on the K%/lgK% rankings. Gibson's at 1.33. Johnson's at 1.61 which I assume is #1 (unless it's somebody like Young). Nope here's Randy Johnson way out at 1.75.

Dazzy Vance is at 1.875...
   23. Karl from NY Posted: December 06, 2022 at 03:17 PM (#6108292)
Kate Upton says the Yankees offered more, but he preferred the Mets. Where’s Karl from NY?

Is that true, was there an actual source? Yes, I would be surprised, there's pretty much never been a free agent that picked the Mets over the Yankees when both offered.
   24. DCA Posted: December 06, 2022 at 03:37 PM (#6108297)
My first thought was Waddell, 2.17 K%/lgK%
   25. Adam Starblind Posted: December 06, 2022 at 03:42 PM (#6108298)
Times change. They must not have been persuaded of your view that the South Bronx section of NY is a cross between Paris and the Garden of Eden.

   26. DCA Posted: December 06, 2022 at 03:45 PM (#6108300)
Koufax 1.8, Nolan Ryan 1.78, Smoky Joe Wood 1.77 (highest I have found after Waddell and Vance)
   27. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: December 06, 2022 at 04:31 PM (#6108316)
What about someone with a short career. All peak and no decline. Herb Score maybe? (Don't know how to check lgK% without going through each season manually, so I'll let those with more B-R dexterity handle it.)
   28. DCA Posted: December 06, 2022 at 05:26 PM (#6108331)
Score is a bit shy of those mentioned. I checked. JR Richard is a similar case.

B-R -> go to advanced stats, then ratio pitching. Career K% and lgK% are both shown.
   29. Conor Posted: December 06, 2022 at 06:30 PM (#6108340)
Kate Upton says the Yankees offered more, but he preferred the Mets. Where’s Karl from NY?


That was a parody account that tweeted that

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