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Wednesday, August 28, 2019

LEADING OFF: Indians minus Ramírez, Paxton-Sheffield

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José Ramírez’s regular season is over. The postseason remains in play — if the Indians can make it without him.

Cleveland’s hard-hitting third baseman is expected to need five to seven weeks to recover after underdoing hand surgery. Ramírez, whose hot bat the past two months helped get the Indians back into playoff contention, fractured the hamate bone in his right hand while taking a hard swing Saturday.

The team estimates he could be back as early as Oct. 1, when the AL playoffs open. Rookie Yu Chang and Mike Freeman will fill the spot in his absence.

At what point do the Indians regret basically punting free agency this season?

 

QLE Posted: August 28, 2019 at 04:39 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: aaron judge, indians, james paxton, jose ramirez, sean doolittle, yadier molina

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   1. DCA Posted: August 28, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5875010)
They were never going to sign a starting quality 3B in free agency.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 28, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5875018)
They were never going to sign a starting quality 3B in free agency.

Yeah it's not like having good OF instead of running out Tyler Naquin and Oscar Mercado in a pennant race would help compensate for missing Ramirez.

Oh wait, yes it would. This team has gotten something like 2.5 WAR from their whole OF this year. Push that to average, and they're tied with the Twins.
   3. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 28, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5875026)
Maikel Franco is available.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: August 28, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5875030)
This team has gotten something like 2.5 WAR from their whole OF this year.

Better than I would have expected, to be honest.
   5. TribeGuy Posted: August 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5875038)
I'm really upset they didn't even present Michael Brantley a qualifying offer, must less look at pursuing a longer term deal. Especially given the reasonable offer he ended up getting from Houston.

The Dolans often get hit in the media by the fans for being cheapskates, and I generally think it is overblown based on what the organization has been able to put together over the last several seasons, but the Brantley situation really has me scratching my head.

If they won't keep good players willing to sign at reasonable salaries I don't think there is much hope for Cleveland to ever win the World Series without an incredible confluence of events that allows them to have a 25 man roster, carried exclusively by up-and-coming prospects, who stay incredibly healthy all season, with the fortune to luck into a Mike Napoli or Rajai Davis -like "last-gasp quality season on the cheap" filled with magically unlikely moments.

But I guess that seems to be the plan for half of the league these days.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 28, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5875041)
The Dolans often get hit in the media by the fans for being cheapskates, and I generally think it is overblown based on what the organization has been able to put together over the last several seasons, but the Brantley situation really has me scratching my head.

Wow, hadn't realized he was THAT cheap.

Yeah, not beating 2/32 for Brantley with their OF situation was general managerial malpractice.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: August 28, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5875045)
They got fortunate with a few nice months from Mercado but even if we are overly generous and say that Cleveland knew he would be serviceable, they still had room to add good or even average OFers.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 28, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5875048)
they still had room to add good or even average OFers


They did trade for Luplow over the offseason, and he's been pretty solid for them.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: August 29, 2019 at 04:24 AM (#5875249)
not beating 2/32 for Brantley

And if they QO'd him, he probably doesn't even get a competing offer quite that high. Not only were they cheap on Brantley, they weren't even willing to risk having to pay him 1/$18 to make sure they either got some compensation or pushed him into signing for maybe 2/$30 with them.
   10. Stevey Posted: August 29, 2019 at 10:02 AM (#5875268)
They were never going to sign a starting quality 3B in free agency.


Before the season, they traded a guy who has 2.2 WAR in 163 games (though hurt now).
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5875293)
Setting aside the criticism of the ownership/front office for a moment, credit should be given to the players and coaching staff. They are sitting at 77-55 despite getting basically nothing from Kluber and Carrasco (among other adversities).
   12. spycake Posted: August 29, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5875307)
Yeah it's not like having good OF instead of running out Tyler Naquin and Oscar Mercado in a pennant race would help compensate for missing Ramirez.

Oh wait, yes it would. This team has gotten something like 2.5 WAR from their whole OF this year. Push that to average, and they're tied with the Twins.


You might be picking on the wrong guys. Mercado is pretty much exactly average this season by WAA, and Naquin is slightly above average.

Their negative outfield performance (-2.3 WAA) can largely be traced to the now-released Leonys Martin (-1.2) and now-optioned Jake Bauers (-1.7, with some time at 1B).

Martin did have a solid season in 2018 and a 1.6 WAR in 444 PA ZiPS projection for 2019. Bauers... was young, I guess? He was probably the most questionable part of the Cleveland OF plan last offseason.
   13. spycake Posted: August 29, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5875311)
Before the season, they traded a guy who has 2.2 WAR in 163 games (though hurt now).


Yandy Diaz, I presume? Although Cleveland did get back Carlos Santana in that deal (as well as Jake Bauers, who they could have done without!).

I previously thought Diaz at 3B, Ramirez at 2B, and Kipnis to the bench may have been their optimal configuration. Although having Santana at 1B has worked out well too.

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