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Tuesday, May 18, 2021

Los Angeles Angels’ Mike Trout likely out 6-8 weeks with Grade 2 calf strain

Mike Trout lifted his head to watch a routine fly ball in Monday’s first inning, then put his head down to jog to the dugout while the final out was recorded. At that point, Trout said, “I thought I got hit by a line drive.”

Upon reaching third base, he knew something wasn’t right. As he retreated into the clubhouse, he feared that he might have ruptured his Achilles tendon. The prognosis wasn’t that bad, but it was sobering nonetheless.

Trout, the Los Angeles Angels’ star center fielder and arguably the game’s best all-around player, has a Grade 2 strain of his right calf.

He was placed on the injured list Tuesday and will miss an estimated six to eight weeks.

“I’ve never felt anything like this before,” Trout said. “I felt a pop.”

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: May 19, 2021 at 01:31 AM (#6019573)
In 52 PA, Jo Adell is putting up the very ML-hip line of 191/269/511 with a 40% K-rate and 4 HRs and 2 doubles in his 9 hits.

And nearly as bad as Trout's injury ... the PCL is now known as "AAA West"? That's how b-r has all the minor leagues listed now. Is that just a place-holder?
   2. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2021 at 08:30 AM (#6019582)
A serious injury brought on by no serious activity sounds serious.

I mean, that's flip and too-cute, but this still seems pretty bad.
   3. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 19, 2021 at 08:45 AM (#6019584)
Isn’t this basically what happened to Kevin Durant before he came back and actually tore his Achilles’ tendon? He injured it on what looked like a completely routine play, jogging back after hitting a shot.

Looking it up, I guess Durant’s was only a grade 1 strain, and he came back more quickly than 6-8 weeks. Anyway, I assume the Angels will be very cautious with Trout here.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 19, 2021 at 08:59 AM (#6019588)
On a different thread last week, I posted the quote from former NFL head coach Bill Parcells, "The best ability is availability," about some other baseball player.

But are we at a point now where Trout's inability to play a full season is officially a thing for him?

2017: 114 games
2018: 140
2019: 134
2020: 53 (out of 60 - that is still more than 10% of the games.)
2021: He's going to end up missing 50+ games this year.

It's not a ding against him as a person ("if he took better care of himself...") - look at this injury, completely out of nowhere. But some people can't stay healthy, and as he approaches 30, having not played more than 140 games since 2016, this is likely to become more of a problem going forward, right? And that has to come into a discussion of who the best and most valuable players in the game are.

   5. bunyon Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:27 AM (#6019591)
Damn.

But, yes, he should fully recover. It's not like there is an urgency to having him out there this year.
   6. Rally Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:35 AM (#6019594)
2020: 53 (out of 60 - that is still more than 10% of the games.)


I'd consider that a full healthy season out of him. Most of the games he missed last year weren't injury, it was being around for the birth of his son.

The description above sounds a lot like an Achilles rupture. Hopefully the diagnosis is correct and he will be back this year instead of season ending surgery. A friend of mine ruptured his Achilles while playing soccer. He said it felt like someone kicked him right in the back of his leg. His first reaction, thinking that was what happened, was to turn to the ref and say "aren't you going to call that?"
   7. Walt Davis Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:41 AM (#6019595)
#4 ... It's probably not good but ya never know. In his 20s, Molitor averaged 112 games a year (one was the 81 strike year). In his 30s, he averaged nearly 140 (one the strike year of 94). It might well mean the end of Trout in CF or even the OF to protect him.

"Missing" games, even for young guys, is pretty common actually. Reggie played in over 2800, had over 11,000 PA ... started more than 147 games once in his career, at age 29. For 22-34, he averaged 145 games, not all starts, and 600 PA. From 20-27, Trout averaged 145 games and 642 PA. Age 28 we can't hold against him; age 29 is now.

After age 24, Raines's high was 146 starts, only two seasons of 140+. After 24, Dawson had two seasons over 147 starts -- he still made it to 2600+ games and nearly 11,000 PAs. It's hard to be more fragile than Larkin and he made it over 2000 starts at SS and 9000 PAs. Even Larry Walker managed another 4500 PA after 29 which would put Trout over 10,000 for his career.

Ripken, Gehrig, Billy Williams have always been the freaks. You probably shouldn't expect more than 140-145 starts out of any player. It's when it gets down to 130 or lower that you have some issues.
   8. Rally Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:43 AM (#6019596)
In 52 PA, Jo Adell is putting up the very ML-hip line of 191/269/511 with a 40% K-rate and 4 HRs and 2 doubles in his 9 hits.


After his disastrous MLB debut last season where he looked like someone who never played baseball before, I don't think he's at the top of the list for a recall. Brandon Marsh is hitting 273/448/545 in AAA. He played AA in 2019, of course not at all last year. From his minor league record before this year he looked like a solid hitter, good speed and defense. Not a lot of power, but he's a big guy at 6-4, 215, so seeing a sudden development of power from him is kind of expected. The Marsh call-up will depend on 1) whether Brandon continues to play well in AAA and 2) how quickly they get tired of the Scheblers, Jays, and Lagareses of the world.
   9. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 19, 2021 at 10:08 AM (#6019600)
It's when it gets down to 130 or lower that you have some issues.


Which is two of the past five years, including the most recent. I'm worried. And really, any Trout injury is bad for the world. We need to see this guy play baseball.
   10. bunyon Posted: May 19, 2021 at 10:17 AM (#6019605)
I think the bigger worry is what Lassus said. Straining a calf jogging in from the OF is old player skill.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 19, 2021 at 10:20 AM (#6019606)
I think the bigger worry is what Lassus said. Straining a calf jogging in from the OF is old player skill.

And tons of players seem to get them, especially on the Yankees. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with MLB training. Guys can't even swing w/o hurting themselves.
   12. Dr. Pooks Posted: May 19, 2021 at 10:57 AM (#6019616)
And nearly as bad as Trout's injury ... the PCL is now known as "AAA West"? That's how b-r has all the minor leagues listed now. Is that just a place-holder?


The thinking was that the minor league placeholder names are just there until they can be monetized in some way.

"AAA baseball brought to you by Draftkings"
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM (#6019618)
#10 he wasnt jogging in from the outfield, he was on second base and started to run to third after a fly ball was hit. Still not good.

I am not a pro athlete or anything, but knowing how my body feels after a hard day at the gym / run / soccer game I am always amazed these guys don’t get hurt more often. I used to think it was ridiculous how often Jose Reyes hurt his hamstring, but then I injured mine and realized they never fully heal and it’s something that’s always at risk of strain/cramps after the initial injury. (And of course the Mets had two players go on the DL with hamstring injuries this week).
   14. Blastin Posted: May 19, 2021 at 11:53 AM (#6019634)
My legs are always banged up from just lifting and running. Not enough to stop me from doing it, but surely enough if I were any kind of professional. I think, provided they're doing their workouts, a bunch of them are just bad luck.
   15. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 19, 2021 at 12:54 PM (#6019648)
This sucks, might be time to use the DH for a Trout/Ohtani rest stop. And maybe play Trout in LF a little more, and Ohtani in right occasionally.
   16. Paul d mobile Posted: May 19, 2021 at 01:03 PM (#6019652)
I hope Trout can meet with LeBron's people and stay healthy for a long time.
   17. Rally Posted: May 19, 2021 at 01:52 PM (#6019661)
Maybe he already has. LeBron has missed about half of 2 of the last 3 seasons to injury.
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2021 at 02:43 PM (#6019687)
Ripken, Gehrig, Billy Williams have always been the freaks. You probably shouldn't expect more than 140-145 starts out of any player. It's when it gets down to 130 or lower that you have some issues.

Jeter wasn't in the Cal / Lou category, but he had thirteen seasons with 150+ games, and another three with 145+. I don't know of many recent players who've topped that.
   19. Rally Posted: May 19, 2021 at 03:48 PM (#6019706)
Hosmer has a good track record. Not a match for Jeter since he’s in mid-career, but usually good for 155 games a year. I see me missed 31 in 2014, 22 last year which was more than a third of the season. Otherwise, from 2013-19 his second lowest games total is 157.
   20. Papa Squid Posted: May 19, 2021 at 05:09 PM (#6019732)
Strained my calf playing softball. Was ranging to my left and I'd describe it basically as Trout did. It felt like someone had thrown a softball right into the back of my leg. This is also how I knew Durant wasn't coming back in the 2019 Finals, and if he did, his calf would explode. It didn't bother me that he went like 9-for-11 or whatever in that first quarter of Game Five, because I knew his calf was a ticking time bomb. And once it exploded, the Raptors were World Champions. At spring training a few years back, Donaldson was out with a calf injury, but he was around signing autographs and I told him, "I know how you feel man. I'm a 3B on my softball team and I also pulled my calf!" He was like, "uh, ok"
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2021 at 06:59 PM (#6019762)
Somewhat relatedly, is Ohtani hitting so well that he & the Angels should reconsider his continuing to pitch? Concentrating on hitting worked pretty well for Babe Ruth after all, although it does appear that the Angels are rather short of quality non-Ohtani pitching options. Maybe cloning is an option?
   22. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: May 19, 2021 at 07:39 PM (#6019768)
I would've sworn on a stack of Sporting News Baseball Registers that I read at the time that Bobby Tolan tore his Achilles tendon after his fine 1970 season while stepping off a curb. Wikipedia, though, advises that "Tolan missed the 1971 season after rupturing his Achilles tendon playing basketball, which violated a specific clause in his contract barring him from that activity."

I wonder who I'm thinking of? Or was the curb scenario an attempted cover-up of the basketball mishap?
   23. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 19, 2021 at 07:39 PM (#6019769)
A lot of people are suggesting that the Angels should consider limiting Ohtani to an offensive role only to preserve his health. My guess is that if they did that, Ohtani would not resign with them. He wants to do both things, and the Angels promised him that they would let him do it. If they go back on that promise now, my guess is that he's going to leave, and there are 29 other teams who would be happy to let him do his thing for them.
   24. Ron J Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:09 PM (#6019794)
#22 No attempted coverup of the Tolan situation. Everybody knew the story.

That was back in the days when you could have a pro football player competing in rodeos in the offseason. Different times.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:23 PM (#6019798)
Ohtani is having a very weird year as a pitcher. The ERA is awesome but 1.5 runs lower than the FIP. 14 K/9 is awesome but 7 BB/9 is not and 3.9 H/9 is not sustainable (you wouldn't think ... a 196 BABIP). The avg EV on the batted balls against him is a bit better than average but the hard-hit% is worse. That adds up to 1.2 bWARpit but just 0.5 fWARpit. That's super easily worth it from a bWAR perspective -- he's on pace for about 5 pitching bWAR -- and probably an fWAR perspective too.

What's unexpected is that he's in the lineup every day when not pitching. Even Ruth didn't do that for extended stretches.** On pace for 6 WARpos and 5 WARpit is incredible. Even if he scales back to something more in line with his previous performance, we'd expect another 4-5 WAR total out of him so a 7-WAR season overall. But basically, if he can really play everyday without that usage negatively affecting his offense or pitching then obviously you let him do both. Alas, it's reality, and we won't know the answer to that until he survives that usage for another couple of years.

I didn't realize this until a few years ago and plenty of folks seem to not know. For ages 19-22, Ruth never started in the field. At 23 in 1919, he started just 70 games in the field. If you look at the gamelogs:

He didn't start in the field in April
He takes a regular turn and starts in the field for the first 2 weeks of May ...
Then misses 10 games.
He pitches, plays 4 games in the field, pitches ... then doesn't pitch again for a month.
Then doesn't pitch again for over 3 weeks.
Then for August takes a regular turn and starts in the field

So for roughly 6-7 weeks of 1918, Ruth was full-time SP and full-time position player. In total, 19 starts ... I suppose to this point, Ohtani is only on pace for 20 starts with 16 days and 9 days betwen some of his starts so far.

In 1919, we get closer with 111 starts in the field but just 15 starts on the mound and his performance on the mound was quite average. He took a pretty regular turn from mid-May through the end of June; then again in the 2nd half of July; then just 3 starts over the last 7 weeks.

Of course once he gets to the Yanks in 1920, he only throws 33 IP the rest of his career, including CGs on Sept 28 1930 and Oct 1 1933.

So all told, Ruth was a full-time two-way player for only about 15 weeks of his career, spread over two seasons.
   26. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 19, 2021 at 09:44 PM (#6019799)
That was back in the days when you could have a pro football player competing in rodeos in the offseason. Different times.


Would totally never happen today.
   27. Rally Posted: May 20, 2021 at 09:30 AM (#6019904)
Somewhat relatedly, is Ohtani hitting so well that he & the Angels should reconsider his continuing to pitch? Concentrating on hitting worked pretty well for Babe Ruth after all, although it does appear that the Angels are rather short of quality non-Ohtani pitching options. Maybe cloning is an option?


Cloning would certainly be welcome. Other than that, seems like letting him pitch now and then isn't hurting his offense any. Nice to see the kid gloves off. In 2018 it was like, "if he pitches, he also needs to take off a day before and after his starts". Now he's in the lineup every day. And when he'd done pitching, he just double switches into the outfield.

Angels have a league average offense right now. As good as Sho and Walsh have been, and Trout was before the injury, the middle infield is just killing them. And the pitching is worst in the league. Hard to justify stopping use of one of their few effective pitchers.

On the defense side they are actually striking out a ton of hitters, but getting killed by the BABIP. Iglesias has been awful. He's made a bunch of errors and is rocking a Jeterific range factor. He's been known as a good defender in the past but he's 31, maybe he just doesn't have it. I'd look to replace him, maybe Fletcher at short and find a new 2B, and then just clean house in the outfield, get the best athletes who can catch the ball that you can find. That might mean cutting bait on Upton as a sunk cost. He's a defensive liability and hasn't been a good hitter since 2018. They aren't getting much offense out of the outfield without Trout, so just go all in on defense. It will make the pitchers look a lot better. Then when Trout comes back, put him in left to try and limit the work he has to do out there.

Remember when Griffey kept getting hurt, coming back to play center, then getting hurt again? Let's not take that path with the second part of Trout's career. Remember that Griffey actually stayed in the lineup and had a strong season once they finally got him out of center.
   28. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 20, 2021 at 11:34 AM (#6019934)
Griffey made a big thing about moving out of CF. It was surely a pride thing but he said the corners were more dangerous because you're dealing with more walls. But yeah, when he finally moved to RF he had his last good season.
   29. gehrig97 Posted: May 20, 2021 at 06:00 PM (#6019991)
Trout is a legit big guy -- listed at 6'2", 230 lbs... and that 230 seems at least a year or two out of date. Legs are the first thing to go on every athlete--and it seems like the bigger they are, the faster that reckoning.

Of course, this could also just be a fluke thing: I'm not a big guy at all, and I tore my achilles tendon at 27. And I wasn't sprinting or jumping--just jogging lightly after a ground ball that dribbled its way into the outfield. Felt a pop, went down in a heap. Initial diagnosis was... a calf sprain. An MRI revealed the tear (I have zero worries that this will be the case with Trout; he was scanned immediately).
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 20, 2021 at 06:20 PM (#6019995)
Legs are the first thing to go on every athlete
Pitchers aren't athletes?
   31. Rally Posted: May 21, 2021 at 11:16 AM (#6020049)
and that 230 seems at least a year or two out of date.


I remember reading about his weight in 2013 and it was above 230 then.
   32. sunday silence (again) Posted: May 21, 2021 at 03:06 PM (#6020102)
They aren't getting much offense out of the outfield without Trout, so just go all in on defense. It will make the pitchers look a lot better.


There's really no logic to this statement. You put your best guys out there who can give you the most positive WAR. It really makes no difference if its defensive WAR or Off WAR. They really don't create some sort of synergistic effect.

Well perhaps in extreme cases where you have two fleet OFer's but even then there probably isnt more than 5 or 6 flyballs in the gap where they both could have had it. And your talking going all in on defense anyhow so this idea doesnt apply.

Since we're throwing ideas out here. Is there some reason Ohtani can't play CF? His sprint speed is 29 FPS, 95th percentile among all the players listed. Tied for 21st place among 400 players. Maybe there's a reason but he should have the arm.
   33. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 21, 2021 at 03:38 PM (#6020111)
Since we're throwing ideas out here. Is there some reason Ohtani can't play CF?
There's no doubt he can physically do it, but he's never done it in his professional career. He's already doing all these other things, and what he's doing is already kind of unfathomable. Piling even more responsibilities on him isn't going to make things easier for him.
   34. sunday silence (again) Posted: May 21, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6020131)
how much more of a responsibility is it? Does he have to lock up after the game?
   35. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 21, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6020152)
how much more of a responsibility is it?
If he's learning the position after never playing it? Lots and lots.

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