Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Sunday, September 12, 2021

Los Angeles Dodgers’ Max Scherzer reaches 3,000-strikeout milestone, pitches immaculate inning

Scherzer retired his first 22 batters, including Fernando Tatis Jr. just before Eric Hosmer doubled to deep right with one out in the eighth. The crowd of 42,637, including his wife, three children and parents, saluted Scherzer with a standing ovation after he finished the inning, his second of the day.

“I knew Tatis and Hosmer were going to be tough at-bats,” Scherzer said. “Hosmer, we’ve done so many battles over the years. I pulled a changeup down and he was able to put a barrel to it.”

Scherzer reached 3,000 career strikeouts in the fifth when Hosmer went down swinging for the second out of the inning. The crowd roared long and loud for the 37-year-old All-Star, who doffed his cap and threw the historic ball toward the dugout.

“To me, this is a testament to durability,” Scherzer said. “Making my 30-plus starts a year, year in and year out. All the hard work I’ve put in to be able to have this moment is what feels good.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 12, 2021 at 09:41 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: max scherzer

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. The Duke Posted: September 13, 2021 at 10:20 AM (#6039410)
I don’t know how many have seen scherzer pitch recently but he’s totally dominant right now. He’s going to get a huge contract this offseason
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 13, 2021 at 10:25 AM (#6039411)
There are always articles about worst long-term mega deals, but Scherzer's contract has to be one of the best mega deals ever, right?
   3. Ron J Posted: September 13, 2021 at 10:36 AM (#6039412)
Sure. Bonds and Maddux come to mind but Scherzer has to be in the conversation.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 13, 2021 at 10:41 AM (#6039413)
Assuming he finishes off 2021 in dominant fashion, what kind of contract should he get offered this off-season? And by whom? He recently turned 37 (late July). Does somebody offer him a 5-year deal for $200 million? Do you want to be on the hook for $40m for a 41-year-old starting pitcher?

One thing I am wondering is if the sport-wide reduction in innings pitched by starting pitchers will eventually have some impact on how teams pay starters, even elite ones like Scherzer. In four of the first five years with Washington, he gave them at least 220 innings (and 200 the other year). If 220 innings is becoming 185 innings, then those high-leverage 35 innings are coming from somewhere else (they are the 7th inning of 20 or more competitive games that you now have to cover with somebody else).

But if you're looking for a horse to get you over the top, the way LA did at this trade deadline, then Scherzer is one of the only guys who truly fits the bill. He is on a historic run right now, and fun to watch.
   5. DL from MN Posted: September 13, 2021 at 11:01 AM (#6039416)
$200M is the roughly cost of 25 WAR on the open market. He's a 6+ win pitcher and as good of a bet as anyone to give you 18 WAR in the next 3 years but I'm not sure he's got enough career left to produce 25 WAR. It might be a 6 year $180M contract instead to allow the signing team to spread out the luxury tax hit.

Since he already has contract deferrals on his current deal until 2028 there could be a chance to defer quite a bit of his next contract beyond 2028. That could get him above $200M but the NPV would be lower if some of that money doesn't show up for a decade.
   6. Baldrick Posted: September 13, 2021 at 11:32 AM (#6039421)
Scherzer has 56 plate appearances this year, and has made 57 outs.

0-52. 3 sac bunts, 1 sac fly, and a GIDP.
   7. The Duke Posted: September 13, 2021 at 11:41 AM (#6039425)
6. So his value goes way up next year with introduction of the DH. That ought to net him 10-20 million more right there.
   8. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: September 13, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6039429)
Scherzer’s run with the Dodgers has been reminiscent of Randy Johnson’s post-trade run with the Astros in 1998. Just completely dominant and virtually unhittable.

It is unlikely that Scherzer puts up the same numbers as Johnson post age 36, but somebody will probably pay to find out.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 13, 2021 at 01:43 PM (#6039449)

It is unlikely that Scherzer puts up the same numbers as Johnson post age 36, but somebody will probably pay to find out.


If he does, he'll win 300 games. That would be something.
   10. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: September 13, 2021 at 03:57 PM (#6039490)
would you rather sign 37-year old Scherzer or 33-year old Kershaw to a mega-deal? I would pick Scherzer and not worry about it.
   11. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: September 13, 2021 at 04:08 PM (#6039496)
It is unlikely that Scherzer puts up the same numbers as Johnson post age 36, but somebody will probably pay to find out.


he might put up era and era+ like Johnson, but, unless he suffers no injuries through age 45, he will not match the games started or innings pitched totals of Johnson from 37-45.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 13, 2021 at 10:30 PM (#6039552)
Scherzer could get a lot of money on a 1 or 2 year deal, and perhaps his prior deferrals will give him the flexibility to go that route, betting on himself to age well.
   13. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: September 14, 2021 at 11:54 AM (#6039607)
Amazingly, for his career he does have a positive value of 1.1 offensive bWAR.
   14. pikepredator Posted: September 14, 2021 at 01:04 PM (#6039621)
Scherzer’s run with the Dodgers has been reminiscent of Randy Johnson’s post-trade run with the Astros in 1998. Just completely dominant and virtually unhittable.


Shades of CC with the Brewers too, although that was a bit more quantity than quality relative to this particular comparison. Not slighting CC's run at all - 7 CG in 17 starts is probably not going to be done again, and his ERA was pretty small over a much larger # of innings. He had a 10-start run where he threw 80 innings!!

Scherzer is doing Johan Santana-in-2004 type stuff right now.
   15. bunyon Posted: September 14, 2021 at 01:05 PM (#6039622)
would you rather sign 37-year old Scherzer or 33-year old Kershaw to a mega-deal? I would pick Scherzer and not worry about it.

If forced to choose one (that is, I can't NOT do either), I'd pick Max, too. But I'd sure as hell worry about it.

If I'm Max, I go for a 2 year contract on big money and then, if I'm still good, try to pull off a Clemens trajectory. Take April and May off and ramp up for a contender willing to pony up at the deadline.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: September 14, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6039673)
Shades of CC with the Brewers too, although that was a bit more quantity than quality relative to this particular comparison. Not slighting CC's run at all - 7 CG in 17 starts is probably not going to be done again, and his ERA was pretty small over a much larger # of innings. He had a 10-start run where he threw 80 innings!!


The year he led both leagues in shutouts, which is one of my favorite stats of the 21st century.
   17. jingoist Posted: September 14, 2021 at 06:21 PM (#6039688)
That 0 - 52 streak has got to gnawing at Max as he has always seen himself as a plus hitting pitcher.
Dusty and Davy both used him as a pinch hitter from time to time.
Max was and is the alpha dog ion the roster and I am thrilled at his level of success with the Dodgers.
Even though I am rooting hard for the over-achiever Giants, I want Max to do well
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2021 at 07:05 PM (#6039690)
Max hit .226 in 2009, .217 in 2015 (in his return to the NL), and had 12 RBI with a .186 AVG in 2016, then .161 and then .243 in 2018 and .182 in 2019.

he didn't bat at all last year due to the 1-year NL DH switch - and apparently he forgot how to hit in the meantime.
the 0-for-52 this year includes 23 Ks.

entering this year, his career AVG was a "really-good-for-a-pitcher" .194.

deGrom, renowned as a good-hitting pitcher, had a .189 AVG before 2021 (when he hit .364 with a 111 OPS+).
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 14, 2021 at 07:12 PM (#6039692)
Scherzer is also an enthusiastic base-runner.
   20. DL from MN Posted: September 15, 2021 at 08:24 AM (#6039767)
He isn't the first 37 year old baseball player to suffer a rapid decline at the plate
   21. bunyon Posted: September 15, 2021 at 08:25 AM (#6039769)
I can imagine a year off at 36 or 37 could kill batting ability. It’s an age where eyesight changes and lots of truly good hitters lose it.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Sebastian
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogEmpty Stadium Sports Will Be Really Weird
(14052 - 6:25am, Sep 22)
Last: .

NewsblogRays grab data card shaken loose from Kirk's wrist, deny Blue Jays' request to return it
(5 - 1:42am, Sep 22)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

NewsblogKansas City Royals' Salvador Perez breaks Johnny Bench's catcher record with 46th HR
(57 - 1:04am, Sep 22)
Last: baxter

NewsblogVeteran catcher Alex Avila to retire at end of year
(22 - 11:43pm, Sep 21)
Last: Howie Menckel

NewsblogNBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread
(4491 - 11:31pm, Sep 21)
Last: Hombre Brotani

NewsblogWEEKDAY OMNICHATTER wants you to believe in yourself, for September 20, 2021
(45 - 11:16pm, Sep 21)
Last: The Duke

Sox TherapyIt's A Sprint, Not A Marathon
(24 - 11:00pm, Sep 21)
Last: Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer

Gonfalon CubsThis all sucks
(36 - 10:37pm, Sep 21)
Last: Brian C

NewsblogHow Declining Subs For Regional Sports Networks Could Impact MLB Relocation And Expansion
(6 - 9:48pm, Sep 21)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogMets targeting A’s Billy Beane as candidate to run baseball operations
(28 - 9:17pm, Sep 21)
Last: Infinite Yost (Voxter)

Newsblog8th? BBTF Central Park Softball Game: SEPT 18, 2021
(227 - 7:46pm, Sep 21)
Last: Howie Menckel

NewsblogRemorseful Thom Brennaman deserves to work again now; He’s already suffered 14 months of hell
(83 - 7:44pm, Sep 21)
Last: dejarouehg

NewsblogGuardians to promote outfielder-turned-reliever Anthony Gose
(18 - 7:16pm, Sep 21)
Last: vortex of dissipation

NewsblogIsraeli baseball team wins silver in European Championship, its best result ever
(6 - 6:49pm, Sep 21)
Last: Ron J

NewsblogHow MLB vet found a home in Atlantic League
(3 - 5:09pm, Sep 21)
Last: Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc

Page rendered in 0.3180 seconds
48 querie(s) executed