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Madison Bumgarner has been competing in rodeos under a fake name

The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly and Zach Buchanan report that Diamondbacks starter Madison Bumgarner has been competing in rodeos under a fake name as recently as December. The fake name is Mason Saunders. Bumgarner explains that “Mason” is shortened from “Madison,” while “Saunders” is his wife’s maiden name.

Bumgarner — err, Saunders — and one of his rodeo partners, Jaxson Tucker, won $26,560 in a team-roping rodeo competition in December. The Rancho Rio Arena posted a picture of the pair on Facebook, highlighting that they roped four steers in 31.36 seconds.

As Baggarly and Buchanan point out, Bumgarner also pointed out in a rodeo competition last March, just a couple days before pitching in a Cactus League game versus the Athletics, back when he was still with the Giants.

As always, apologies for the fact that the source article is behind a pay wall.

I can’t determine if this is an article that comes across as a joke or one that comes across as alarming plausible- in any event, we could all use the levity…...

QLE Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:33 AM | 73 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2020 at 01:06 AM (#5926128)
That's a good way to break your madbum (I see what I did there)
   2. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: February 24, 2020 at 01:29 AM (#5926130)
He should have gone with Ron Mexico ...
   3. puck Posted: February 24, 2020 at 01:57 AM (#5926131)
It's pretty awesome he does this and is good at it. However I'm surprised teams let him do it. I wonder if they really don't know.
   4. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: February 24, 2020 at 06:16 AM (#5926133)
All MLB contracts have a standard clause, prohibiting players from other sports/activities, that could lead to injury. I don't think Rodeo is explicitly listed among the examples, but IIRC there is a catch-all clause for anything not explicitly named.

If a player got injured doing this, and the team genuinely did not know / told him not to do it, it would probably be one of the rare instances, where a guaranteed MLB contract could be voided. (The notion gets thrown around to readily often, in cases where no arbiter would find terminating the contract to be a reasonable step, but in this one I am fairly certain it would hold up.)
   5. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 24, 2020 at 07:52 AM (#5926136)

Well, the team can't claim not to know about it now. However, I'm not sure whether their knowledge via the media would prevent them from trying to void the contract in the event of a rodeo injury.

Bumgarner suffered a pretty serious injury a few years ago in a dirtbike accident. I don't remember any attempt by the Giants to penalize him for that -- was there?
   6. PreservedFish Posted: February 24, 2020 at 07:59 AM (#5926138)
Jaxson Tucker
   7. Rally Posted: February 24, 2020 at 08:10 AM (#5926139)
Bumgarner suffered a pretty serious injury a few years ago in a dirtbike accident. I don't remember any attempt by the Giants to penalize him for that -- was there?


Don't think they would have voided his contract if they could have. He was a guy with 20+ million market value playing for a contract paying about half that.
   8. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: February 24, 2020 at 09:16 AM (#5926144)
Well, the team can't claim not to know about it now. However, I'm not sure whether their knowledge via the media would prevent them from trying to void the contract in the event of a rodeo injury.

That is why I included the "/ told him not to" part. If they have knowledge about his activities, they obviously have some obligation to inform him that this is not something they want him doing. But they don't have to literally drag him away from every rodeo he tries to go to, in order to enforce that clause of the contract either.

Bumgarner suffered a pretty serious injury a few years ago in a dirtbike accident. I don't remember any attempt by the Giants to penalize him for that -- was there?

Don't think they would have voided his contract if they could have. He was a guy with 20+ million market value playing for a contract paying about half that.

Obviously, it only gives them the option to sanction him in some form. They can of course decide that it isn't worth it, or that the goodwill from not doing so, is more valuable.

They also obviously have to impose sanctions that are proportional to the offense. Which probably in particular takes into account the severity of the injury. You are not going to be able to void a 5 year contract because somebody bruised an elbow, and missed 2 starts. You can maybe impose a small fine, and that's it. If Bumbgarner's horse stumbles, and crushes and breaks his leg, and he brakes his pitching arm bracing himself... Then you are looking at the kind of injuries that will take a year plus to heal and rehab from, and uncertainty about him ever getting back to his established level. And that's when voiding a contract becomes fairly reasonable.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: February 24, 2020 at 09:47 AM (#5926148)
They can of course decide that it isn't worth it, or that the goodwill from not doing so, is more valuable.


Yep, this was my thought. I think they let him do his thing. On the one hand, his commitment to baseball cannot be questioned, and he's perhaps the great clutch performer of his generation. On the other, Bumgarner seems like the blunt and unapologetic type that would just retire overnight if he felt disrespected.
   10. Ron J Posted: February 24, 2020 at 10:47 AM (#5926160)
#8 See Aaron Boone. Contract voided after he blew out his knee playing basketball.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:07 AM (#5926170)
The Rockies voided Denny Neagle's contract after he got arrested for hiring prostitutes. Don't know if they were forced to go back on that or not.
   12. manchestermets Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5926172)
Are all aspects of a rodeo necessarily high risk? Obviously the Giants wouldn't want him to be doing the one where you try and stay on the back of a furious bull, but as someone with no real knowledge of it, roping steers doesn't sound too bad.
   13. Itchy Row Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM (#5926173)
Now he'll have to use a different fake name, maybe Badison Mumgarner.
   14. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:43 AM (#5926174)
Don't know if they were forced to go back on that or not.

According to The Denver Post the parties settled for approximately $16 million of his remaining $19.5 million under the contract.
   15. RJ in TO Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:46 AM (#5926175)
Are all aspects of a rodeo necessarily high risk? Obviously the Giants wouldn't want him to be doing the one where you try and stay on the back of a furious bull, but as someone with no real knowledge of it, roping steers doesn't sound too bad.
All aspects of a rodeo are not necessarily high risk, but the clause in contracts is deliberately extremely restrictive. As noted by Ron, Boone's contract was voided because of an injury playing basketball, and I'd have to think the massive, massive majority of people would not consider a pickup basketball game to be anywhere near high risk.
   16. Ron J Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5926179)
#15 Not that Boone was the first to hurt himself seriously playing basketball. Bobby Tolan comes to mind and I'm sure there have been others.

This isn't an argument against the general perception of risk but rather in support of the "deliberately extremely restrictive" comment.
   17. Ron J Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5926180)
#14 That was basically an acknowledgement of the high probability that Neagle would win his grievance. There is at least one ruling on the books (though I can't remember the case) which said in effect that you can't use the character clause to selectively void contracts you want to get out of. If Neagle had been pitching well they wouldn't have tried to void the contract.

But there's always some risk in going to arbitration and the settlement for a reduced amount reflects this.
   18. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:19 PM (#5926182)
12--bull riding is easily the most high risk rodeo event. If you google rodeo injuries it's all about bull riding. I have attended several rodeos and just by watching I would put this roping way down the list mostly because with almost all the other events the participants are clearly in good shape. But these dudes roping half of them have big guts. Feel bad for their horses.
   19. PreservedFish Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5926183)
I'm surprised that one couldn't successfully claim that playing basketball is a reasonable way of exercising, that is, doing the type of self-improvement that players are supposed to do. I guess I don't know how these things are written though.
   20. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5926184)
Are all aspects of a rodeo necessarily high risk? Obviously the Giants wouldn't want him to be doing the one where you try and stay on the back of a furious bull, but as someone with no real knowledge of it, roping steers doesn't sound too bad.

The contract prohibits basketball and soccer explicitly. I am sure all forms of riding a horse are right the hell out.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:34 PM (#5926186)
How does this affect his chances for the Pro Rodeo Hall of Fame?
   22. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5926187)
I am sure all forms of riding a horse are right the hell out.

What if Saunders is merely washing a horse? Asking for a friend.
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:40 PM (#5926188)

The Mets were able to negotiate a substantial reduction in Cespedes' contract after he broke his ankle trying to avoid a wild boar on his ranch. But the injury basically made his remaining contract worthless -- if he does come back and play he can earn a portion of that salary back.

I have no idea how risky an activity roping is, but for what it's worth, the article emphasizes that Madison/Mason doesn't rope with his pitching arm.
   24. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: February 24, 2020 at 12:54 PM (#5926191)
23--It's not the roping arm that gets stressed. those ropers grab their saddle horn after the steer is roped and that looks like one serious jerk on the arm when the horse slams to a stop. They don't steer the horse who is seriously trained and does its thing without any guidance. So think sharing he doesn't rope with his pitching arm is kind of misleading.
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: February 24, 2020 at 01:23 PM (#5926196)
my company flew us all into Nashville for Super Bowl weekend, and the bar they rented out for the game had a mechanical bull.

was surprised how many millennials climbed aboard. one guy tried it four times - and I saw that he had the gashes on his palms to prove it.
   26. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: February 24, 2020 at 02:35 PM (#5926215)
Some years ago the riders on a star's contract (Jeter?) were leaked, and they explicitly prohibited all SORTS of things, in addition to some clause about any other hazardous activity. I think even ping pong was on the list.
   27. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: February 24, 2020 at 02:45 PM (#5926218)
According to a Jeff Passan article from 2013, the Cubs' standard contract at the time prohibited:
"(A)uto racing, motorcycling, piloting, co-piloting, learning to operate, or serving as a crew member of, an aircraft, being a passenger in a single engine airplane or private plane, hot air ballooning, parachuting, skydiving, hang gliding, bungee jumping, horseback riding, horse racing, harness racing, fencing, boxing, wrestling, karate, judo, jujitsu, any other form of martial arts activity, use of an All Terrain Vehicle (‘ATV'), skiing (water or snow), snowmobiling, bobsledding, luging, ice hockey, ice boating, field hockey, squash, spelunking, basketball, football, softball, white water canoeing or rafting, kayaking, jai-alai, lacrosse, soccer, tennis, rodeo, bicycle racing, motor boat racing, polo, rugby, rodeo, handball, volleyball, in-line or other roller skating, surfing, hunting, paddleball, racquetball, archery, wood chopping, mountain climbing, boating, any weightlifting not prescribed by or approved in advance by Club (said approval not to be unreasonably withheld), participation in the ‘Superteams' or ‘Superstars' activities (or any like activity) or other made-for-television or made-for-motion picture athletic competitions, or any other sport, activity, or negligent act involving a reasonably foreseeable substantial risk of personal injury or death."
No luging, no jai-alai, no spelunking, no offseason moonlighting as an airline steward, no participating in a revival of Battle of the Network Stars.
   28. RJ in TO Posted: February 24, 2020 at 02:49 PM (#5926220)
What I'm most interested in is the specific accidents or injuries which led to the addition of the various activities on the list. Because there's no way the original contract clause included spelunking.
   29. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 24, 2020 at 02:50 PM (#5926221)
As the immortal Happy Gilmore said, "so you mean no fun"
   30. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: February 24, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5926224)
What if Saunders is merely washing a horse? Asking for a friend.


You're pals with A-Rod?
   31. Gary Truth Serum Posted: February 24, 2020 at 03:11 PM (#5926227)
no participating in a revival of Battle of the Network Stars

So this would explain why the baseball career of the late Robert Conrad never took off.
   32. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: February 24, 2020 at 03:14 PM (#5926228)
No, pals with A-Rod's hoseman.
   33. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: February 24, 2020 at 03:39 PM (#5926234)
hunting,


That seems like it probably wouldn't have gone over well with any number of players ...
   34. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 24, 2020 at 03:45 PM (#5926236)
skiing (water or snow),


Big loophole there.
   35. PreservedFish Posted: February 24, 2020 at 04:05 PM (#5926239)
The list in #27 at least doesn't include golf, but by listing universal activities like hunting and boating, it's just asking to be ignored in its entirety.
   36. catomi01 Posted: February 24, 2020 at 04:14 PM (#5926242)
use of an All Terrain Vehicle (‘ATV')


Forget the details but didn't Chipper Jones rescue Freddie Freeman using an ATV while he was stranded in a blizzard? Does being rescued violate the clause (if the Braves use the same), or only being the rescuer?
   37. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2020 at 04:16 PM (#5926243)
soccer, tennis, rodeo, bicycle racing, motor boat racing, polo, rugby, rodeo, handball

Two negatives make a positive
   38. Nasty Nate Posted: February 24, 2020 at 04:20 PM (#5926245)
Forget the details but didn't Chipper Jones rescue Freddie Freeman using an ATV while he was stranded in a blizzard?
I think you're mixing up the 2011 Braves with The Empire Strikes Back.
   39. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: February 24, 2020 at 05:08 PM (#5926249)
hunting,

That seems like it probably wouldn't have gone over well with any number of players ...
I think of Turk Wendell get stranded in the Rocky Mountains overnight in a subzero blizzard while out bow hunting mountain lions. The number of clauses that one incident violated must have been staggering.
   40. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 24, 2020 at 05:13 PM (#5926250)
For what it's worth, I think the list of prohibited activities really only comes into play if you're injured doing them, in which case if you're injured badly enough they may try to void your contract/dock your pay. So it's kind of a "do these things at your own risk" clause.
   41. QLE Posted: February 24, 2020 at 06:01 PM (#5926258)
What I'm most interested in is the specific accidents or injuries which led to the addition of the various activities on the list.


Are we sure that these are all related to participation necessarily? For instance, jai-alai is notorious both as something people bet on and for being of dubious honesty, and I'm wondering if this was meant to prevent some gambling scandal.
   42. Banta Posted: February 24, 2020 at 06:13 PM (#5926259)
I think you're mixing up the 2011 Braves with The Empire Strikes Back.


I thought they smelled bad on the outside!
   43. Howie Menckel Posted: February 24, 2020 at 06:51 PM (#5926260)
I used to visit the frontons in Milford and Bridgeport, CT regularly in the 1980s (the players, from the Basque region, could only get 6-month visas. so each site got its own set of players).

It was amusing to sit in the crowd. The players could instantly figure out if they had any chance to get to a return - and if they could not, they simply stopped in their tracks. This invariably was met with foul-mouthed outrage by American bettors who expect to see "hustle" from players who might win them a $40 exacta.

If there are any recreational jai alai players in this country, I am not aware of them. The game basically is long-court racquetball, but with a cesta instead of a racquet. so not sure why anyone would build a fronton for amateurs when they could just play racquetball instead.

Speaking of racquetball, I belonged to a center for a year BITD. Men's doubles with four college-age players.... let's just say it's helluva thing to try to put a point away. #goodtimes #whirlingdervishes
   44. Sean Forman Posted: February 24, 2020 at 09:06 PM (#5926266)
I think you're mixing up the 2011 Braves with The Empire Strikes Back.


https://www.beckett.com/news/chipper-jones-freddie-freeman-atv-rescue-bobblehead/
   45. bobm Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:38 PM (#5926278)
APPENDIX A
MAJOR LEAGUE
UNIFORM PLAYER’S CONTRACT [...]

Other Sports
5.(b) The Player and the Club recognize and agree that the Player’s participation in certain other sports may impair or destroy his ability and skill as a baseball player. Accordingly, the Player agrees that he will not engage in professional boxing or wrestling; and that, except with the written consent of the Club, he will not engage in skiing, auto racing, motorcycle racing, sky diving, or in any game or exhibition of football, soccer, professional league basketball, ice hockey or other sport involving a substantial risk of personal injury.
   46. Sweatpants Posted: February 24, 2020 at 11:55 PM (#5926280)
Awesome, pro wrestling is listed as not only a sport but one of the most dangerous of them all.
   47. Walt Davis Posted: February 25, 2020 at 12:38 AM (#5926283)
Awesome, pro wrestling is listed as not only a sport but one of the most dangerous of them all.

Or maybe one that they recognize will be popular with players and ones they might easily undertake on a lark. What I find odd is "professional league basketball" (but no such distinction for the other sports). I know there have been a reasonable number of pro baseball/college basketball players but (a) you'd think the team would still want written consent to be required and (b) there's plenty of pro baseball/college football too.

Anyway, they are mostly down to darts. And chess -- that's a sport right?
   48. QLE Posted: February 25, 2020 at 01:05 AM (#5926285)
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: February 25, 2020 at 01:07 AM (#5926286)
NJ allows wagering on British darts events - and it's pretty popular (!).

not chess yet, but I'll bet that it arrives this year.
   50. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: February 25, 2020 at 03:07 AM (#5926290)
Cricket isn't listed, which I guess could be covered by the last clause, but it is one of the sports where you would think that skill in baseball would naturally translate. And where baseball players, in the offseason, could theoretically join the Big Bash competition in Australia or something. So, surprised that jai alai makes the list and cricket doesn't.

Major cricket injuries are fairly rare, but there's been at least one recent death I can recall (batsman hit by a ball despite helmet) and other career-ending injuries through standard play. As a Gloucestershire fan, seeing David Lawrence's career implode just as he was making an impact at the top level still stings. There's been a rash of injuries among top-level cricketers while playing soccer as a warm-up ahead of a game, but apparently the players are just too attached to it to quit.
   51. Ron J Posted: February 25, 2020 at 08:27 AM (#5926300)
#47 Chess and bridge have been designated as sports in the past.

When bridge made the Olympics as a demonstration event there were all sorts of issues in dealing with the therapeutic use exemptions. Competitors skew very old by the standards of athletics and many are notoriously unhealthy (Paul Soloway at the time played for the top US team and at one important event he was actually checking himself out of hospital to play one session and then checking back in). I know one medalist told the organizers that she couldn't comply with the post medal testing. Not wouldn't, couldn't. (And in an odd compromise the elected to test one member of the Silver medal team instead -- she failed. Not of course that she was using PEDs. She hadn't done the paperwork in time and knew she'd fail the tests)
   52. Ron J Posted: February 25, 2020 at 08:29 AM (#5926301)
#50 As I recall, cricket had the highest injury rate (though that may be old info). Most are what you might call nasty owies but I can't imagine any team would be happy with that kind of risk.
   53. base ball chick Posted: February 25, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5926315)
Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: February 25, 2020 at 03:07 AM (#5926290)

Cricket isn't listed, which I guess could be covered by the last clause, but it is one of the sports where you would think that skill in baseball would naturally translate.


- cricket must be ok - i remember years ago CJ wilson posted pics and an article (or was it a widely read blog post) showing him in a cricket uni holding a cricket ?bat?
- it was when he came out as straight edge
   54. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: February 25, 2020 at 10:36 AM (#5926320)
- cricket must be ok - i remember years ago CJ wilson posted pics and an article (or was it a widely read blog post) showing him in a cricket uni holding a cricket ?bat?


Getting better at hitting a cricket ball almost certainly helps to get better at hitting a baseball, I would have thought, plus you have to read the ball out of the hand in a similar manner. So it might be a positive for batters. Definitely wouldn't let pitchers play cricket in their offseason, though - the run-up and post-delivery strides are quite destructive to the knees and feet, plus you can get the ball blasted back at you pretty easily without a glove to try to use.
   55. manchestermets Posted: February 25, 2020 at 10:58 AM (#5926325)
Re horseriding, wasn't it Cespedes who famously turned up at a game on a horse once? So the Mets must have been okay with that.

Re cricket, there was a promotional MLB visit to London a while back, and Sammy Sosa visited Lords and suited up for cricket - I remember all the local players oohing and aahing at hour far he was hitting the ball.
   56. Ron J Posted: February 25, 2020 at 11:12 AM (#5926335)
#55 Those kind of stories go back a long ways. In both direction. Jim Creighton was a star at both games and tore apart a touring British team (with accusations of using an illegal delivery)

Bradman chewed up BP pitching. Ruth did the same with "throw to contact" cricket deliveries. Likely would not have done the same with top level competitive pitching though. While the skills are obviously similar, top level success generally requires a great deal of specialization.
   57. depletion Posted: February 25, 2020 at 06:52 PM (#5926432)
“ Anyway, they are mostly down to darts. And chess -- that's a sport right?”
I knew a guy who got hit in the eye playing darts. Ouch! But they play it at bars, so maybe the alcohol makes you aim better.
   58. A triple short of the cycle Posted: February 25, 2020 at 11:35 PM (#5926466)
There is still pinball.
   59. QLE Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:50 AM (#5926475)
   60. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:47 AM (#5926480)
Ron Gant has his contract voided by the Braves for riding an ATV into a tree, as I recall.
   61. Lassus Posted: February 26, 2020 at 09:53 AM (#5926495)
Well done, Banta.
   62. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM (#5926498)

Ron Gant has his contract voided by the Braves for riding an ATV into a tree, as I recall.

It was a dirt bike, but yeah. He had just signed a $5.5 million, one-year deal, broke his leg in the accident, and they released him as a result. He missed the entire 1994 season but came back with the Reds in 1995 and had a 3.3-WAR, All-Star season.
   63. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5926501)

Forget the details but didn't Chipper Jones rescue Freddie Freeman using an ATV while he was stranded in a blizzard?

OK I just read the details of this and Freeman was stranded in traffic. There was, generously, 2 inches of snow. I remember that storm and it did shut down traffic across Atlanta for hours, but we're not talking about the Ice Planet of Hoth here.
   64. catomi01 Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM (#5926508)
My impression of the South during any snow (or more accurately Southerner's reaction to any snow), would make Hoth look like Miami.
   65. Howie Menckel Posted: February 26, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5926523)
I have experienced ice storms in Atlanta, Dallas, and Seattle.

my local driver ratings are: F, F, and F.

#cmonman
   66. Ron J Posted: February 26, 2020 at 11:47 AM (#5926527)
#63 A friend moved from Ottawa to Atlanta. What he told me is that basically it might as well be Hoth. Driver have no experience with the conditions and a couple of inches is plenty for drivers not used to it in vehicles not equipped to deal with it driving on roads that have nothing to clean (or manage) the roads.
   67. Lassus Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:16 PM (#5926536)
As a hilarious contrast, I grew up a non-timid lake-effect driver in Syracuse/Utica. I spent a November in Iceland and they made us look like ice-storm GA residents. It was harrowing.
   68. Banta Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM (#5926544)
Well done, Banta


Bless your charity.
   69. Lassus Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:24 PM (#5926557)
Well, you're in Buffalo, so.
   70. PreservedFish Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:38 PM (#5926563)
I drove up to Quebec City in December and very nearly crashed the car because the motel parking lot we pulled into was a very thick sheet of ice. The proprietors had made zero effort to sprinkle salt or dirt to improve traction. We soon learned that this was typical. In the city itself, again, very little effort at de-icing, sidewalks were incredibly dangerous, not to mention sheets of ice were falling off the roofs and onto the sidewalks every afternoon. It might have been the first time I've been thankful for our litigious society - in America this situation would have been considered totally intolerable.
   71. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 04:07 PM (#5926607)

My impression of the South during any snow (or more accurately Southerner's reaction to any snow), would make Hoth look like Miami.

OK but still, Freeman was in his car with a light dusting of snow on the ground. It wasn't a life-or-death situation. He was "rescued" from sitting in traffic.
   72. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:20 PM (#5926654)
My impression of the South during any snow (or more accurately Southerner's reaction to any snow), would make Hoth look like Miami.
Who can forget the day the Empire invaded Glenwood Avenue in Raleigh?

Here's the picture the put in the news, which hides THE TRUTH about our Imperial overlords.

Southerners don't do snow very well.
   73. Banta Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:27 PM (#5926659)
Well, you're in Buffalo, so.


It hurts because it's true! Winter storm tonight, if my tauntaun freezes before the first marker, he'll see you in... well, you know. Syracuse.

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