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Monday, December 16, 2019

Madison Bumgarner leaving shows Giants now in full-blown rebuild mode

During one of his media sessions at the Winter Meetings in San Diego, Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi was asked about the team being in a rebuild. Zaidi turned the question around, asking the reporter how he would define a rebuild.

This. This is a rebuild.

Madison Bumgarner reportedly agreeing to a contract with a division rival for $85 million at the end of a week where the only team he has ever known spent $12 million to buy a first-round pick and $9 million on a pitcher who has never had sustained big league success but might turn into a back-end starter and might turn into a trade chip in July. That’s a pretty good definition of a rebuild.

To be clear, there’s nothing wrong with this plan.

A consideration of what this signing means, with regards to the team losing the player.

 

QLE Posted: December 16, 2019 at 01:25 AM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: giants, madison bumgarner, rebuilding

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   1. cookiedabookie Posted: December 16, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5908931)
MLB really needs to figure out a way to incentivize teams to keep star players for most/all of their careers. There was no reason why the Giants couldn't have matched that contract offer, or even increase it. But fans want to have players that cross generations - it increases the strength of the fanbase. Maybe that's where revenue sharing needs to go instead.
   2. Sunday silence Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5908961)
Maybe they could designate them like public utilities? and have an oversight board and stuff to keep them from doing stuff like this.
   3. JRVJ Posted: December 16, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5909013)
The Giants had tremendous success (3 WS in 5 years), paid their core handsomely and kept them. Then they signed some expensive and not very productive FAs / traded for expensive and not so good veterans (I'm thinking Longoria).

In their very unique situation, I can't fault what San Francisco is doing, even if they won't really be ready to compete until 2022 (they have a ton of money off the books by the end of 2021).

At least they are being smart in the way they're using their financial muscle, as evidenced by taking on Zack Cozart's contract to get Will Wilson (who may or may not be a solid major leaguer, but who is a chip that the Giants did not have, who could be good when they are back up and competing).
   4. caspian88 Posted: December 16, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5909027)
As a Giants fan, I'm not sure I want Bumgarner to be on the team in 2020, let alone for the next five years.
   5. Mefisto Posted: December 16, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5909031)
I'd have been ok with the 4 year deal they apparently offered, though I suspect 3 years is all they'd want. If he can get more elsewhere, more power to him. It's not as if the Giants are likely to contend in the next 3-4 years anyway.
   6. Jaack Posted: December 16, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5909036)
MLB really needs to figure out a way to incentivize teams to keep star players for most/all of their careers. There was no reason why the Giants couldn't have matched that contract offer, or even increase it. But fans want to have players that cross generations - it increases the strength of the fanbase. Maybe that's where revenue sharing needs to go instead.


While I don't necessarily disagree with you that this is a good thing, I think the Giants are a pretty good example of where this goes wrong. All of the key players that were part of the Giants dynasty got extensions pretty much - Posey, Cain, Crawford, Pence, Belt, and even Bumgarner, although his extension was very team friendly. Those contracts are a decent part of the reason the Giants failed to be competitive after 2016 - they couldn't really buy their way out of that hole.

One solution would be to make contracts not count against the luxury tax if a player his been with the team for say... 8 years. Only really applies to wealthier teams, but it at least gives those team less of an excuse to not re-sign those players.

For smaller market teams, it seems hard to incentivize a team without limiting a player's freedom. Perhaps giving a team extra revenue sharing for the amount of salary spend on players with 8+ years of service with the team.

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