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Major League Baseball’s postseason schedule could feature latest calendar date in World Series history

MLB released its preliminary postseason schedule on Monday and the slate could feature a game played at the latest calendar date in World Series history.

If the Fall Classic extends to a seventh game, that contest would be played on Saturday, Nov. 5. The 2001 and 2009 World Series both ended on Nov. 4 of those respective seasons, the current record for the latest date that a game was played in a postseason.

The 2001 and 2009 seasons both featured three World Series games played on Nov. 1 or later, which is the current record. The fourth game of this year’s Series is slated for Nov. 1, so as many as four contests could be played after the end October, the traditional month for the Fall Classic, which could be more autumnal than ever this year.

The late date for the World Series is a result of the labor dispute between the owners and players that pushed the start of the 2022 season back by a week. Originally slated to begin on March 31, the season began with a delayed opening day on April 7.

This postseason will feature the debut of MLB’s new 12-team playoff format. Rather than a pair of winner-take-all wild-card games, the first round will now consist of four best-of-three series, all played over the span of three days at the home ballpark of the higher-seeded team in each matchup.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2022 at 03:34 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Karl from NY Posted: August 15, 2022 at 04:30 PM (#6091751)
Of course, 2001 (9/11) and this year (lockout) both had the season delayed by a week. What was 2009's excuse?
   2. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 15, 2022 at 04:42 PM (#6091753)
If the Fall Classic extends to a seventh game, that contest would be played on Saturday, Nov. 5.
It's awful to play for all of the marbles at any point in November. That said, starting the regular season at the end of March is far more cruel.
   3. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: August 15, 2022 at 04:53 PM (#6091755)
Things to complain about but one thing I like is the two NLCS only feature one off day, after game two. Games 3-7 are played on five consecutive days. I think that creates more drama because depth becomes more important. I'm not sure why there needs to be an off day after game one of the Division Series. I suspect that's something the teams wanted so the teams getting a bye didn't get quite so much of an advantage and allows the WC teams to settle their pitching a bit.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: August 15, 2022 at 04:57 PM (#6091757)
I'm not sure why there needs to be an off day after game one of the Division Series.


To fit more playoff games into better viewing hours, I suspect.
   5. DL from MN Posted: August 15, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6091764)
Expanded postseason should mean a return to 154 game schedules.
   6. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 15, 2022 at 06:22 PM (#6091768)
Of course, 2001 (9/11) and this year (lockout) both had the season delayed by a week. What was 2009's excuse?

Dates for ALCS Games 1-6:
16 0ct
17 Oct
19 Oct
20 Oct
22 Oct
25 Oct

So 10 days to play 6 games. Game 6 occurred 4 days after the Phils closed out the Dodgers in 5 games.
   7. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 15, 2022 at 06:40 PM (#6091770)
Who knows, with the way the climate is altering a bit each year, it could be 88 and sunny in NY or snowing in LA on the 5th of November.

Agree with DL though, the playoffs are so extensive now, they really need to shift back to a 154 game schedule.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: August 15, 2022 at 07:41 PM (#6091779)
Expanded postseason should mean a return to 154 game schedules.

And the MLBPA will cheerily agree to the 5% reduction in pay and the owners will not bother one whit about the (probably <) 5% reduction in revenues.
   9. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 15, 2022 at 07:51 PM (#6091781)
If the players and owners are worried about reduced revenue from losing eight regular-season games, then maybe baseball can schedule more (about 10 a year?) day-night doubleheaders, build a few more days off, while ending the season about a week earlier.
   10. ReggieThomasLives Posted: August 15, 2022 at 08:22 PM (#6091788)
And the MLBPA will cheerily agree to the 5% reduction in pay and the owners will not bother one whit about the (probably <) 5% reduction in revenues.


5% fewer regular season games doesn't have to mean 5% less revenues.

What are the revenues of the average playoff game?

What are the revenues of the average end of season game between two teams that have already missed the playoffs?

There is a win-win solution for owners, players and fans with a little creative thinking.
   11. sunday silence (again) Posted: August 15, 2022 at 09:02 PM (#6091797)
I think that creates more drama because depth becomes more important.


what does one have to do with the other?
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: August 15, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6091801)
What are the revenues of the average end of season game between two teams that have already missed the playoffs?


Virtually the exact same as the average midseason game between the same two teams.

Also, you wouldn't just be shedding games between also-rans. You'd also lose quite a few games involving rans.

   13. ReggieThomasLives Posted: August 15, 2022 at 09:41 PM (#6091807)
But you are replacing them with playoff games. One easy way to do it without losing almost any games is

1) Play 154 game regular season that ends two weeks earlier.
2) Use one of the extra weeks to play 7 game series at each stage of the playoffs, and still end a week earlier.
3) The wildcard losers and teams that missed the playoffs play another eight games each among themselves.

Barely lose any games, and replace a bunch with high revenue playoff games.
   14. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: August 15, 2022 at 09:42 PM (#6091808)
what does one have to do with the other?


I think when the high stress playoff games get played in a rush like that teams wind up doing things out of the ordinary. Already in the playoffs we see starters in relief and whatnot. I think given the compressed schedule you wind up in a situation where either a team has to rely on an 11th/12th pitcher in a key spot or a fatigued star.

More generally baseball is an every day sport. Having it played every day is just better.
   15. John Reynard Posted: August 16, 2022 at 01:53 AM (#6091834)
I think when the high stress playoff games get played in a rush like that teams wind up doing things out of the ordinary. Already in the playoffs we see starters in relief and whatnot. I think given the compressed schedule you wind up in a situation where either a team has to rely on an 11th/12th pitcher in a key spot or a fatigued star.

More generally baseball is an every day sport. Having it played every day is just better.


I concur with this thinking. The playoffs are OK with perhaps one extra off-day a week involved. But, having lots of them makes the post-season feel fundamentally different from the regular season. I'm cool with 5th SP being pushed to long relief or perhaps dropped. I'm not cool with 4th SP being mostly skipped too. Toss in extra off days causing bullpen games all over the place and it feels like its a different competition than how you got there.

I'm 100% good with teams getting extra off days because they flattened their opposition of course. So, if you get 2 extra days off by sweeping a 5-game series, great, it was earned.
   16. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 16, 2022 at 07:57 PM (#6091940)
If the Fall Classic extends to a seventh game, that contest would be played on Saturday, Nov. 5.

What? They dare go up against COLLEGE FOOTBALL?! Foolish mortals...!

A quick check of the NCAA Division I schedule (that's right; I refuse to use the asinine 'FBS' designation) for Nov 5 reveals such games as Alabama-LSU, Clemson-Notre Dame, Baylor-Oklahoma and Georgia-Tennessee (as well as Michigan at Rutgers, a game I might actually be attending!). Unless it's Dodgers-Yankees, ain't nobody gonna be watchin' boringball, mister.
   17. RickG Posted: August 17, 2022 at 07:06 AM (#6091999)
RE 2009...it rained and they pushed ALCS G6 back a day. So it would have been seven games in ten days, with off days after games 2, 4, and 5. Don't remember why there was that weird off day after game 4 though (no travel).
   18. DL from MN Posted: August 17, 2022 at 01:46 PM (#6092031)
5% fewer regular season games doesn't have to mean 5% less revenues.


Agreed. Season tickets packages would probably cost exactly the same. People who attend casually will probably still attend the same number of games, they'll just pick a different day on the schedule. TV cares a lot more about expanded playoffs than 8 regular season games. Do teams make a lot of money in their 8 least attended games of the year or do they barely cover the cost of keeping the stadium open?
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 17, 2022 at 03:16 PM (#6092044)
Agreed. Season tickets packages would probably cost exactly the same. People who attend casually will probably still attend the same number of games, they'll just pick a different day on the schedule. TV cares a lot more about expanded playoffs than 8 regular season games. Do teams make a lot of money in their 8 least attended games of the year or do they barely cover the cost of keeping the stadium open?

You can't eliminate just the least attended games and compress the schedule. You'll still have Tuesday night games in April against bad teams. If teams can raise the per game price of season tickets, they can do so now and make even more money with 162 games. TV revenues are add supported, so fewer games means fewer commercials, and less revenue.

In any case, November weather in the Northeast/Midwest is better than April, so I don't see the problem.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: August 17, 2022 at 03:17 PM (#6092045)
Do teams make a lot of money in their 8 least attended games of the year or do they barely cover the cost of keeping the stadium open?


If you could cut out the eight least attended games, you'd be doing well. But those aren't necessarily the last eight.
   21. ReggieThomasLives Posted: August 17, 2022 at 05:08 PM (#6092065)
You can't eliminate just the least attended games and compress the schedule. You'll still have Tuesday night games in April against bad teams. If teams can raise the per game price of season tickets, they can do so now and make even more money with 162 games. TV revenues are add supported, so fewer games means fewer commercials, and less revenue.


TV revenues point is noted but replacement theory suggests eliminating some games will increase per game attendance. Some people want to see a game before the end of the season and won't be too picky about when. Some will want to see a dozen games a season and won't cut it to eleven games.

Imagine your team sold enough tickets for 80% attendance for 154 games, but since there is 162 games is actually 75% attendance. Eliminating eight games doesn't eliminate the same amount of demand. Some of the buyers will shift their purchases earlier in the season.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 17, 2022 at 06:30 PM (#6092073)
TV revenues point is noted but replacement theory suggests eliminating some games will increase per game attendance. Some people want to see a game before the end of the season and won't be too picky about when. Some will want to see a dozen games a season and won't cut it to eleven games.

Imagine your team sold enough tickets for 80% attendance for 154 games, but since there is 162 games is actually 75% attendance. Eliminating eight games doesn't eliminate the same amount of demand. Some of the buyers will shift their purchases earlier in the season.


Right, but if you're trying to shorten the season, cutting a week will on average cut as many prime weekend games as bad weekday games. And the schedule will cut good and bad teams equally. If you cut two divisional games from each team, that's a lot of Yanks-Sox, Cubs-Cards, and Dodgers-Giants cut along with the Royals-Tigers stinkers.

If you didn't need to shorten the season, you could cut a bunch of early season, mid-week games and probably not lose a lot of revenue. If you want to shorten the season, you can't.

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