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Wednesday, February 27, 2019

Manny Machado on the Orioles: ‘I did a lot for the state, and they didn’t show me a little bit of love’

He talked about how the Orioles failed to show him “love” — presumably alluding to the fact that they didn’t sign their former first-round draft pick to a long-term contract and traded him to the Los Angeles Dodgers after he represented the Orioles in the All-Star Game last July.
“The Dodgers last year, they showed me some love,” he said. “The Orioles drafted me. I did a lot for that community, I did a lot for the state, and they didn’t show me a little bit of love. It is what it is. But going over to L.A., L.A. giving up a lot of prospects for me, that kind of shows you what I meant to them, which is amazing.”
Of course, there’s been very little talk of the Dodgers having made any offer to him in the offseason, either.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 04:34 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 27, 2019 at 04:40 PM (#5818803)
Toronto is doing the right thing with Vlad Jr.
   2. catomi01 Posted: February 27, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5818822)
From a baseball standpoint I really wanted my team to sign him...but it is really easy to dislike Manny Machado, and it seems easier and easier with every story written about him.
   3. RoyalFlush Posted: February 27, 2019 at 05:26 PM (#5818830)
They drafted him and paid him. Not sure what else he was looking for.
   4. Hank White Posted: February 27, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5818834)
Cot's says "hotel suite on the road" in Machado's contract. Is that typical? I thought the teams generally stayed in pretty nice places anyway - seems like giving your star a suite while everyone else in a plain-old five-star room could cause some issues.
   5. catomi01 Posted: February 27, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5818841)
4 - I think I recall seeing that a few times before, so its not anything all that new. Just one more perk of being "the guy."
   6. jingoist Posted: February 27, 2019 at 06:16 PM (#5818858)
Over the past 2 or 3 years, as he got more self confident, the ugly side of Machado began to reveal itself.
Spiking fielders; exaggerated swings that clipped various catchers, lack of hustle.
It added up to many O’s fans being less than sad when Manny went bye bye.
It’s a shame but he has become a player that I will be happy to see playing elsewhere.
   7. bookbook Posted: February 27, 2019 at 06:36 PM (#5818866)
Contrary to reputation, Cal Ripken got separate, special accomodations on the road as well. Stars be stars. The rest of us can lick their boots if we’re lucky,
   8. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 06:54 PM (#5818871)
The hotel thing bothers me. It's not like you're staying at a fleabag motel anyway, just sleep in a regular room like everyone else. I'm not naive; I know this stuff goes on. But that doesn't make it bother me any less. You're part of a team. Act like it.
   9. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:25 PM (#5818898)
Per Cots:

Aaron Hicks of
7 years/$70M (2019-25), plus 2026 option
$2M signing bonus
19:$6M, 20-23:$10.5M/year, 24-25:$9.5M/year
assignment bonus: $1M with first trade
perks: hotel suite on road trips


C.C. Sabathia lhp [...]

5 years/$122M (2012-16), plus 2017 vesting option
signed extension with NY Yankees 10/31/11
12-15:$23M/year, 16:$25M, 17:$25M vesting option ($5M buyout)
2017 salary guaranteed if Sabathia 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury
no-trade protection
perks: suite on road trips
   10. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:33 PM (#5818902)
More from Cots:

In February 2004, (three years after the contract was signed), Rodriguez waived his no-trade clause, allowing Texas to trade him to the Yankees. At the time, he had 7 years/$183M remaining on his contract.

[...]

All told, Texas is responsible for a total of $40M deferred at 2% interest.

In exchange for agreeing to the interest-rate reduction, Rodriguez received a hotel suite during road trips & right to link his web site to the Yankees’ site.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:34 PM (#5818903)
Cot's says "hotel suite on the road" in Machado's contract. Is that typical? I thought the teams generally stayed in pretty nice places anyway - seems like giving your star a suite while everyone else in a plain-old five-star room could cause some issues.
I remember Tom Henke having something like that added to his contract roughly 25 years ago, so I don't think it's all that new, or that big a deal.
   12. Cooper Nielson Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:35 PM (#5818904)
& right to link his web site to the Yankees’ site.

Jeez, even I can do that.
   13. chisoxcollector Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:54 PM (#5818905)
Contrary to reputation, Cal Ripken got separate, special accomodations on the road as well. Stars be stars. The rest of us can lick their boots if we’re lucky


When the Orioles would come to Anaheim to play the Angels in the mid 90s, Cal Ripken Jr. and Brady Anderson would stay at the Ritz Carlton in Laguna Niguel. The rest of the team stayed at one of the Hilton/Marriott/Doubletree hotels by the Anaheim convention center.
   14. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5818907)
Here's why people are angry at the Dodgers for their World Series hotel choice
Jack Baer
Yahoo Sports
October 23, 2018, 12:41 AM GMT

The Los Angeles Dodgers are the only thing sitting between the Boston Red Sox and a World Series championship, but some Boston residents have an extra reason to hold some animosity against the Dodgers.

That would be the city’s unionized hotel workers, many of whom are currently on strike against the Marriott family of hotels in Boston. Among the hotels with striking workers is the Ritz-Carlton Boston, where the Dodgers usually stay during road trips to Boston and will be staying again during the World Series despite the strike. [...]

The union reportedly tried to find lodging at a more socially responsible hotel in Boston, but the Dodgers balked when the selected hotel didn’t have enough suites available for the players, something that is stipulated in their contracts. That led the Dodgers to stick with the Ritz-Carlton, something the Houston Astros didn’t do during the ALCS.
   15. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5818909)
Lots of numbers: Inside Max Scherzer's huge contract
ASSOCIATED PRESS | DETROIT FREE PRESS | 3:42 pm EST January 22, 2015

GEOFF BURKE
USA TODAY SPORTS
WASHINGTON – Because of deferred money, pitcher Max Scherzer's $210-million, seven-year contract with the Washington Nationals has a present-day value of $191.4 million, by the calculations of both Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association. [...]

He also gets a hotel suite on road trips.
   16. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5818910)
MVP Jose Altuve, Astros finalize $163.5M, 7-year contract
The Associated Press
12 months ago [...]

Altuve all gets a no-trade provision, a hotel suite on road trips and premium stadium seats. 
   17. chisoxcollector Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:14 PM (#5818911)
I won’t lie, I’m not upset the White Sox didn’t sign Machado. Not because of the suite thing. Just his general dickishness.

I do wish they were in on Harper, though.
   18. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:18 PM (#5818912)
Cots:

Jon Lester lhp
6 years/$155M (2015-20), plus 2021 option [...]

perks: suite on road, private air travel up to 25 hours per year [...]

Anthony Rizzo 1b
7 years/$41M (2013-19), plus 2020-21 options [...]

perks: hotel suite on road
   19. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5818913)
Cots:

Zack Greinke rhp
6 years/$206.5M (2016-21) [...]

perks: four premium season tickets (two paid for by Greinke), hotel suite on road trips
   20. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:23 PM (#5818914)
Cots:

Pablo Sandoval 3b
5 years/$95M (2015-19), plus 2020 option

perks: suite on road
   21. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:24 PM (#5818915)
Cots:
Dustin Pedroia 2b
8 years/$110M (2014-21) [...]

perks: suite on road
   22. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5818916)
Cots:

Edinson Volquez rhp [...]

2 years/$20M (2015-16), plus 2017 mutual option [...]

perks: suite on road
   23. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5818917)
perks: four premium season tickets (two paid for by Greinke)


In my head, THIS is what finally got the negotiations done.

FINE, I want 4 tickets goddamnit, but I will pay for 2 of them. THEY HAVE TO BE PREMIUM THOUGH!
   24. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5818918)
Cots:

Albert Pujols 1b
10 years/$240M (2012-21) [...]

perks: hotel suite on road, luxury suite for Pujols charity for 10 home games each season, right to buy luxury suite between first and third base for all home games
   25. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5818919)
Cots:

Charlie Blackmon rf-cf
6 years/$108M (2018-23) [...]

perks: hotel suite on road
   26. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5818921)
Cots:

Carlos Martinez rhp
5 years/$51M (2017-21), plus 2022-23 options [...]

perks: suite on road beginning with 2020 season


Jedd Gyorko 3b
6 years/$35.5109M (2014-19), plus 2020 option [...]

perks: suite on road 
   27. PreservedFish Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5818922)
Do the young players still room together?
   28. bobm Posted: February 27, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5818923)
[27] No

CBA:

ARTICLE VII—Expenses and Expense Allowances A. Transportation and Travel Expenses Each Club shall pay the following expenses of Players: (1) All proper and necessary traveling expenses of Players while “abroad,” or traveling with the Club in other cities, including board, and first-class jet air and hotel accommodations, if practicable, for any travel that is directed, requested or required by the Club. [...]

(b) Hotel Accommodations. Each Club shall give written notice to the team’s Player Representative and the Association, prior to December 1 of each year, of the hotels, including hotels in the Club’s home city and Spring Training hotels, that the Club intends to utilize during the next succeeding season. Beginning in 2018, all hotels utilized by the Club while on the road shall have meals available (in-room or otherwise) until at least 1:00 A.M.; provided, however, that each Club’s Player Representative may waive this requirement. Each Player traveling with his Club on the road shall have single rooms in the Club’s hotels on all road trips during the Club’s Spring Training, championship season and post-season. Nothing herein shall prohibit the Clubs from making or continuing agreements with individual Players that provide more favorable arrangements for such Players.

[Emphasis added]
   29. Belfry Bob Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:40 PM (#5818936)
Manny's embarrassing behavior, beginning with the night he shoved Josh Donaldson, caused many Orioles fans to consider his departure a blessing. Towards the end, many of my baseball buddies actually hoped he WOULD sign with the Yankees, usually a 'fate worse than death' for any ex-O's you might care about.
   30. Scott Ross Posted: February 28, 2019 at 05:08 AM (#5818946)
So if you don't show Manny some love, he will walk away. If you do show Manny some love, however, he will walk away.

Also:
no love = $34 million
love = giving up five minor leaguers
   31. McCoy Posted: February 28, 2019 at 08:21 AM (#5818958)
Hotel rooms are generally smallish so a suite gets you out of that feeling like you're living out of suitcase to feeling you would get in a normal room. I completely understand a person's desire to want a suite. Especially in major old cities of the east coast and Midwest. Hotel rooms in NYC are tiny.
   32. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 28, 2019 at 09:32 AM (#5818995)
I've been involved in some hotel negotiations for my job. If you pay for enough room nights you often can get comped a suite for X number of rooms. As I recall our arrangements were 1 suite night per 100 room nights so it wouldn't surprise me if the club was actually getting Manny's suite for free.
   33. Styles P. Deadball Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:01 AM (#5819010)
As free agency started (and even a little before) in the 70s, one of the perks teams would throw a guy's way was a single room on the road when most were doubling up. Now that the CBA mandates a single room for everyone, a suite is the way you can upgrade for guys.
   34. jmurph Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5819013)
I am very curious what it is that Machado thinks he has done for the state of Maryland, other than pay a lot in taxes.

Also if I had to live on the road for a week or so at a time on the regular it would feel claustrophobic as hell to spend lots of time in a single hotel room, even a really nice one. Being upset that these guys wants suites is kind of weird, I think.
   35. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:11 AM (#5819016)
I think he's saying that the Orioles didn't show him love, versus the state didn't show him love.
   36. SoSH U at work Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5819017)

I think he's saying that the Orioles didn't show him love, versus the state didn't show him love.


He did say, "I did a lot for the state."

   37. McCoy Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5819019)
I doubt they got it for free because they were already getting that discount and using it before the contract was signed. If in fact they had that deal and were reaching the threshold.
   38. jmurph Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:20 AM (#5819021)
Yeah I think he's saying the Orioles didn't show him love despite all the things he did for the community and the state. And I realize he's just bs'ing and I'm mostly kidding here, but "I did a lot for the state" is just such a specific claim! I'm curious.
   39. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:36 AM (#5819029)
Also if I had to live on the road for a week or so at a time on the regular it would feel claustrophobic as hell to spend lots of time in a single hotel room, even a really nice one. Being upset that these guys wants suites is kind of weird, I think.


Realistically how much time do these guys spend in the hotel room? I'm assuming the schedule is something like;

Fly in Thursday night/Friday morning - arrive 3AM
4AM - get to hotel room, fall asleep
11AM - wake up, grab something in the hotel restaurant.
2PM - go to ballpark for game
7PM - game!
midnight - leave ballpark, get to hotel room
1AM - Sleepy time
9AM - wake up
repeat for Saturday and Sunday but not going back to hotel Sunday night.

There's not a lot of hotel room awake time there. I don't disagree that being cooped up in the room is unpleasant but I just wouldn't expect it to be a big deal. And given the new ballparks have so many amenities for players if they want to just go to the clubhouse to socialize and dick around they can. Maybe my schedule is off and they are there more than I appreciate.

Like I said, I agree that it would be unpleasant to be in the room and hey if you can get a suite, go for it. I just don't think it's a big issue.
   40. bobm Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5819030)
Look at all these places in Maryland Manny did a lot for! It's not just Baltimore.

                                                         
Year   Age AgeDif        Tm   Lg Lev Aff   G  PA HR   OPS
2010    17   -4.1  Aberdeen NYPL  A- BAL   7  32  0  .855
2012    19   -5.5     Bowie   EL  AA BAL 109 459 11  .789
2011    18   -3.4  Delmarva SALL   A BAL  38 170  6  .859
2014    21   -1.9 Frederick CARL  A+ BAL   3  13  0 1.859
2011    18   -4.8 Frederick CARL  A+ BAL  63 260  5  .692


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/28/2019.
   41. alilisd Posted: February 28, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5819071)
2 & 6: I can't stand the guy after seeing him deliberately hit a catcher with his bat, and spike a 1B. And yet my team did sign him. I am so disappointed he was the "Big Splash" the Padres decided to make.
   42. geonose Posted: February 28, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5819083)
@40 - Per Eddie Perez in this video, you're right: "we don't spend too much time here; we don't need nothin' big."
   43. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5819089)
I'm assuming the schedule is something like;

Fly in Thursday night/Friday morning - arrive 3AM
4AM - get to hotel room, fall asleep
11AM - wake up, grab something in the hotel restaurant.
2PM - go to ballpark for game
7PM - game!
midnight - leave ballpark, get to hotel room
1AM - Sleepy time
9AM - wake up
repeat for Saturday and Sunday but not going back to hotel Sunday night.
There's a suspicious lack of strip club time in here.
   44. jmurph Posted: February 28, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5819099)
There's a suspicious lack of strip club time in here.

And video games.
   45. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: February 28, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5819113)
Also if I had to live on the road for a week or so at a time on the regular it would feel claustrophobic as hell to spend lots of time in a single hotel room, even a really nice one. Being upset that these guys wants suites is kind of weird, I think.


As others have said, I doubt they spend a ton of time there. And if they do, so what? Sit and read a book or watch a movie or play video games. How much room do you need for that? I don't travel much for work, but on the occasions I do or when I travel for pleasure, I can't imagine a scenario where I'd want or need a larger (or nicer) hotel room. I need a place to sleep and a chair to sit and read or watch something. Why would anyone need anything else out of a hotel room? Fancy hotel rooms strike me as a giant waste of money. I just want it to be clean.

All that said, that's not even really the point. I know these guys make widely disparate salaries, but something about getting different accommodations on the road just FEELS different. It feels like you're not really a unified team at that point if some guys are getting more privileges. Salary differences are what your team chooses to pay you relative to another player; perks are something you demanded that separate you from your teammates. It's not quite that big of a deal, but it just seems off-putting to me.
   46. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2019 at 12:55 PM (#5819116)
I don't travel much for work, but on the occasions I do or when I travel for pleasure, I can't imagine a scenario where I'd want or need a larger (or nicer) hotel room.
Sorry but this is a very weird sentence.

You can't imagine wanting a better hotel room?
   47. base ball chick Posted: February 28, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5819135)
depends on the definition of "better"

MAH definition of "better" would be curtains that actually block out all the light, a really REALLY comfortable mattress and a variety of pillow firmness, and of course, a serious upgrade in toilet paper from the usual wrapping paper to, even charmin

if they are ordering room service or eating in the room, a table and chair that is nice and comfortable would be good

i don't know why someone who is in the room for maybe 8 hours and spending most of that asleep cares about the room eing a lot larger
   48. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 28, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5819156)
I doubt any of them really care about the room being larger; it's just another status thing, a way of keeping score. "In addition to the salary, I want the best hotel accommodations. And a puppy!"

Like the fact that there's no practical difference between 25 million and 26 million, either is more money than most people will earn in their entire working life, but Bigger is Better.
   49. Karl from NY Posted: February 28, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5819163)
Being upset that these guys wants suites is kind of weird, I think.

I think the problem is the "what if everyone did that?" factor. Hotels don't necessarily have 25 or 40 suites.
   50. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5819167)
I think the problem is the "what if everyone did that?" factor. Hotels don't necessarily have 25 or 40 suites.
They'd be spread over multiple hotels. They might already do that sometimes.

I doubt any of them really care about the room being larger; it's just another status thing, a way of keeping score. "In addition to the salary, I want the best hotel accommodations. And a puppy!"
I disagree. These guys are in hotels a ton, and a suite is better than a room. There are actual reasons hotel suites exist, they weren't just invented to be status symbols.
   51. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5819169)
I disagree. These guys are in hotels a ton, and a suite is better than a room. There are actual reasons hotel suites exist, they weren't just invented to be status symbols.
Eh, it's of a piece with various other "status perks." Does a star player really have that much more gear than a non-star such that he needs two or three lockers? I'm sure Kevin Brown could have afforded to fly his family in to see him pitch rather than putting it in his contract. Etc. etc. etc.
   52. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5819171)
Yeah, status is part of it. But a nicer hotel room is something they actually get to enjoy and use.
   53. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: February 28, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5819175)
Eh, it's of a piece with various other "status perks." Does a star player really have that much more gear than a non-star such that he needs two or three lockers? I'm sure Kevin Brown could have afforded to fly his family in to see him pitch rather than putting it in his contract. Etc. etc. etc.

I imagine that the suite is useful when entertaining "guests'.
   54. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: February 28, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5819180)
The hotel thing bothers me. It's not like you're staying at a fleabag motel anyway, just sleep in a regular room like everyone else. I'm not naive; I know this stuff goes on. But that doesn't make it bother me any less. You're part of a team. Act like it.


When he was with the White Sox, Nick Swisher refused to stay at the club's chosen hotel in Tampa because it was haunted. So he would stay at Toby Hall's house.

   55. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: February 28, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5819228)
I travel for business a ton, and spend a similar amount of time in the room as these guys, and it is definitely better when I get upgraded to a suite. I don't "need" it, or even really use it for anything, but it is a nicer environment to be in. When you spend a #### ton of time in hotels, just being in more pleasant surroundings makes a difference.
   56. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 28, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5819270)
(all 1st world issues of course) Room size totally matters (though not nearly as much for solo traveler). Take those Omni Parker House Hotel (Boston)rooms, they are a disgrace in terms of size. The ####### bathroom door doesn't even open up past maybe 95-100 degrees. Yet, that low basic room is $479+ in the season. I need somewhere to sit other than the bed, or desk chair.

Traveling with 2 kids is miserable w/o a suite, or some level of separation. I can't believe how tolerant of shitty quarters one is, when you are a broke college student.
   57. chisoxcollector Posted: February 28, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5819344)
I travel for business a ton, and spend a similar amount of time in the room as these guys, and it is definitely better when I get upgraded to a suite. I don't "need" it, or even really use it for anything, but it is a nicer environment to be in. When you spend a #### ton of time in hotels, just being in more pleasant surroundings makes a difference.

I'm in the same boat. I spend enough time in hotels each year that I annually reach the top status with Hilton, Marriott, and IHG (Holiday Inn). Having an upgraded room, whether it's a suite, or one with upgraded amenities, or even a balcony with a pleasant view, really can make a difference.
   58. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5819348)
size totally matters (though not nearly as much for solo traveler)
I suppose that's probably true.
   59. McCoy Posted: February 28, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5819349)
Realistically how much time do these guys spend in the hotel room? I'm assuming the schedule is something like;

Fly in Thursday night/Friday morning - arrive 3AM
4AM - get to hotel room, fall asleep
11AM - wake up, grab something in the hotel restaurant.
2PM - go to ballpark for game
7PM - game!
midnight - leave ballpark, get to hotel room
1AM - Sleepy time
9AM - wake up
repeat for Saturday and Sunday but not going back to hotel Sunday night.

There's not a lot of hotel room awake time there. I don't disagree that being cooped up in the room is unpleasant but I just wouldn't expect it to be a big deal. And given the new ballparks have so many amenities for players if they want to just go to the clubhouse to socialize and dick around they can. Maybe my schedule is off and they are there more than I appreciate.

Like I said, I agree that it would be unpleasant to be in the room and hey if you can get a suite, go for it. I just don't think it's a big issue.


You hardly ever see the ballplayers in the common areas of hotels. They almost never eat the restaurants. Football players are practically on lockdown when it comes to their food. They eat and drink nothing (besides the alcohol at strip clubs, of course) that wasn't shipped in by the team and or watched over by the team's staff. Their floors would be on lockdown and the team would eat in the banquet areas together.

As others have said for people who travel a ton and live out of a hotel room for months at a time extra space is welcomed. Again, hotel rooms in DC, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia and so forth can be absolutely tiny.

   60. McCoy Posted: February 28, 2019 at 08:24 PM (#5819351)
(all 1st world issues of course) Room size totally matters (though not nearly as much for solo traveler). Take those Omni Parker House Hotel (Boston)rooms, they are a disgrace in terms of size. The ####### bathroom door doesn't even open up past maybe 95-100 degrees. Yet, that low basic room is $479+ in the season. I need somewhere to sit other than the bed, or desk chair.

Traveling with 2 kids is miserable w/o a suite, or some level of separation. I can't believe how tolerant of shitty quarters one is, when you are a broke college student.


You should try the Omni Shorehm in DC. It's even worse though the rooms are bigger but old, poorly designed, drafty, and full of bugs. Omni has some newish properties but their antique collection of acquisitions are horrendously run down.
   61. SoSH U at work Posted: February 28, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5819362)
You should try the Omni Shorehm in DC. It's even worse though the rooms are bigger but old, poorly designed, drafty, and full of bugs. Omni has some newish properties but their antique collection of acquisitions are horrendously run down.


What do you have against Tulo's Fishy Mullet?
   62. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 28, 2019 at 10:11 PM (#5819376)
Heh. The only Omni I actually like is the resort at HH. I was just picking on the Parker House, which has a great bar. I tend to lean Hilton properties but have a bias for a handful of boutiques. Wash Hilton is a regular for me in DC, but love the Mandarin. The W has best rooftop bar though.
   63. Howie Menckel Posted: March 01, 2019 at 12:19 AM (#5819400)
only 25 to 30 years ago, NBA teams were staying at places like the Oakland Airport Hilton - especially if there was no off-day in that city. the beat writers stayed in the same hotel. it wasn't unusual for players to hit the local Houlihan's for a nightcap. hell, they were just weaning themselves off having to fly commercial.

by the mid-1990s, that all seemed liked a century earlier. private planes, 5-star hotels, no pesky media, no interaction with the 99 percent (except for the aforementioned 'gentlemen's clubs').

that evolution/devolution has been true in every sport, I suspect.
   64. McCoy Posted: March 01, 2019 at 08:34 AM (#5819421)
Baseball teams and football teams will stay in regular hotels like hiltons and Marriotts. But basketball players tend to stay in four seasons and Ritz Carltons

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