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1. Rants Mulliniks Posted: January 12, 2012 at 07:08 AM (#4034912)And, Manny added "But I'm not going to unless someone pays me a handsome sum to do it.".
Don't do what Donny Don't does.
That means a non guaranteed contract for a very nominal amount. If he says no or is insulted by my offer, big deal.
I'd sell him on the idea of having a big year and the delusion of receiving a big score as a free agent.
What do the A's or perhaps the Orioles have to lose?
What do you stand to gain?
If you're the A's you've built up quite a collection of AAAA power hitters, getting guys like Kaaihue and Brandon Allen to add to Vernon Carter. You can give them some playing time and see if any can actually hit MLB pitching, or you can see if a 40 year old DH has anything left.
I.e., if the O's/A's sign him - since he's been gone for a year - doesn't it stand to reason he's going to need a good month or so of minor league 'rehab' time? He wouldn't be working off the suspension in that time, correct? This means you basically get him ready, THEN bring him up to serve the suspension, THEN send him back out on another rehab assignment. Maybe you get a 1/3 of a year from him IF the league does lower his suspension.... but if they don't (which seems probable)?
Sounds like a team would get maybe a couple of September weeks from Manny. To me - rather than the A's/O's -- sounds like a contender might have more use for that.
He'd be an asset for team in a situation like the 2010 Red Sox, where you're relying on J.D. Drew and Mike Cameron, with guys like Daniel Nava, Jeremy Hermida and Darnell McDonald as your backup plans. (Not the Red Sox, heaven forbid. But a team like them.) In that sort of situation, I think having him in reserve as an option after 50 games would be a nice insurance policy. Maybe that's the Rangers this year.
In the meantime, Manny gets to sit home on his ass and collect a few hundred thousand dollars. Nice deal for a guy who, due to layoff and suspension, may not be any more help to the team than you or I.
Well on the positive side, he's suspended till late May so you could still play Kila and Brandon for 7-8 weeks, and if he shows anything at all in a month you can trade him for a C prospect. Maybe Barton will get well by the time you trade Manny.
Players don't collect their salary while they are suspended, do they? In that case, it's just the hassle of having him around, not the money.
Interleague games start about 50 games in...maybe an NL team could sign him as their DH and figure out what to do with him later.
Your idea is better than mine; a contender should sign him and store him away as insurance.
The bottom line is that if he can still hit, and I would bet that he can, he is a worthwhile risk as long as the deal is on the team's terms. The parameters must be that the contract is non guaranteed and for a nominal amount. I would not even add in incentives, because then he'll complain about playing time.
I don't believe that he gets paid while suspended.
And if I'm the Yankees, Manny must cut his hair BEFORE any contract is signed.
Pedro Gomez really is quite the Little Jimmy, isn't he? He needs a water bottle to the head.
Manny will not clear waivers in August because of his nominal salary, so he needs to be moved earlier unless the team wants to risk a waiver trade.
"'And then a couple of years later, he made the same mistake, so he was going to be suspended for twice as long. This time, he did quit for a while, but he did the right thing and came back again. Until he was caught making the same mistake a third time, and we all wished he wouldn't have tried to come back after that.' That's what they'll say, these bunch of guys," Ramirez continued.
My recollection is that he is allowed to do his rehab time in the minors while he is on suspension. I think that was the case when he served his suspension with the Dodgers; I remember being surprised when he was playing in AAA before the end of his suspension.
Kirstie Alley: And I'll be a Victoria's Secret model.
I'm sorry, but the water bottle is the stupidest foreign object in recent memory. Who gets knocked out by a plastic 16 oz bottle of water? Whatever happened to the days of the X-Press tennis racket?
I think suspensions for violation of the drug policy are the only suspensions where pay is forfeited. I'm pretty sure other suspensions are paid.
In 2006 the Red Sox traded David Wells to San Diego on August 31 for George Kottaras. This is obviously not a blockbuster but Manny comes back in May and hits for a month and a half he could net a potential backup catcher/LOOGY/utility infielder for a team like the A's. That's not a bad get for what would be about two months of near league minimum salary to Manny. The likeliest scenario is that Manny would bring nothing of value in return but why the hell not?
I'm sorry, but the water bottle is the stupidest foreign object in recent memory. Who gets knocked out by a plastic 16 oz bottle of water? Whatever happened to the days of the X-Press tennis racket?
Mick Foley once knocked Al Snow senseless in a backstage brawl by striking him with a large bag of popcorn.
Yeah, I don't think there's any way... probably the only place Bradley could ever go back to is Texas. I can't imagine any of his other previous teams is up for giving him a second shot.
(I have not heard a single word since his release about any team being interested in Bradley, however. In fact, I think the only thing I may have heard about him is that he was arrested again, although of course it's very difficult to keep track.)
In all fairness, the trip from Al Snow to senseless Al Snow was a pretty short journey. I think a small bag of popcorn would have done the trick.
The trick is, you gotta freeze the water.
I'd like the A's to sign Manny to an incentive-heavy Frank-Thomas-2006-style contract, sure. Manny's entertaining. Plus, about the prettiest RH swing I've ever seen.
No, all suspensions are unpaid. Zambrano last year was a good example of that, the Cubs tried to suspend him for 30 days and he filed a grievance. It was known that he wasn't pitching for them again in 2011 no matter what but by actually suspending him for that long they were taking away his pay. It ended up being settled as a six-game suspension and he was paid everything else.
If he thought there was any chance he's want to return, why didn't he serve the 50 games when he got suspended rather than retire? Manny being Manny.
Rickey says Rickey has no problem with that.
Agreed. It looked so effortless, almost like he didn't even have to try. I loved Manny (in a mostly platonic way).
There are just some swings that you can't help but admire.
Junior had a swing like that. Well, except lefty. Even during 1998 when I was rooting for Sammy (excuse me, I'm a Cub fan) in the HR race, Griffey was just such a pleasure to watch at the plate.
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