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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

Manuel, 75, back in Phils’ dugout as hitting coach

The Philadelphia Phillies have hired former manager Charlie Manuel as the team’s new hitting coach after relieving John Mallee of his duties, the team announced Tuesday.

Manuel, 75, last managed the Phillies in 2013. He is the franchise’s winningest manager with a 780-636 mark, leading the team to a 2008 World Series championship and five straight division titles.

“The reason we did this today is because we have 44 more game remaining and we’re two games out of the playoffs,” general manager Matt Klentak said Tuesday. “I know a lot of people are burying us, saying we have no chance and we haven’t played well.

“Part of that is correct. We have not played well. We have not hit well, especially since the All-Star break. But we are not buried and we are not out. It makes sense to try something different rather than continuing to do the same thing.”

I see several ways in which this could backfire- which one do you suppose will be most likely to become an issue?

 

QLE Posted: August 14, 2019 at 04:58 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: charlie manuel, hitting coaches, phillies

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: August 14, 2019 at 06:09 AM (#5871209)
Maybe he'll get into a fight with Phil Regan.
   2. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: August 14, 2019 at 07:50 AM (#5871212)
I see several ways in which this could backfire- which one do you suppose will be most likely to become an issue?
nah.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2019 at 08:36 AM (#5871214)
The Vulture won 44 G in relief with 69 SV from 1966-69 - the last 12 W and 17 SV for the 1969 Cubs, whose soul was crushed by the Miracle Mets.

the 82-year-old is thriving as the Mets' interim pitching coach, no kidding.
   4. The Duke Posted: August 14, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5871215)
Maybe with gambling making a comeback, we can get Pete Rose back in the dugout. Or possibly a roving spring training instructor.
   5. wjones Posted: August 14, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5871289)
Well that's 2 NL East teams 'going grey' in hiring. What could the other teams do? Marlins missed their shot to bring back 'Trader Jack' prior to deadline. Braves could always bring back Aaron for something, or Knucksie to teach relievers the knuckleball. Nationals? Well Frank Robinson is dead. Davey Johnson? Dusty Baker?
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5871311)
Managers who came back as a coach with the same club: Charlie Manuel, Cito Gaston, Red Schoendeist, Yogi Berra...who else?
   7. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5871330)
Managers who came back as a coach with the same club: Charlie Manuel, Cito Gaston, Red Schoendeist, Yogi Berra...who else?
larry bowa played shortstop for the phillies from 1970-1981; he managed the phillies from 2001 to 2004; and he was the phillies bench coach from 2014-2017.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5871332)
Don Baylor managed the Rockies from 1993 to 1998, then came back as the hitting coach in 2009 and 2010.
   9. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5871334)
Rene Lachemann managed the Mariners from 1981 to 1983, then was a coach with them in 2003 and 2004.

Tony Perez managed the Marlins in 2001, and was hitting coach for them in 2011 and 2012.
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 14, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5871335)
Braves could always bring back Aaron for something, or Knucksie to teach relievers the knuckleball. Nationals? Well Frank Robinson is dead. Davey Johnson? Dusty Baker?


Jeff Torborg is available.
   11. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: August 14, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5871499)
Fun fact: Charlie Manuel's middle name is Fuqua.

Arguably funner fact: Manuel broke in with the 1963 Wytheville (VA) Twins; this town hasn't had a pro baseball team in 30 years.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: August 15, 2019 at 12:18 AM (#5871555)
Interesting fact: Of the 104 men who have managed at least 10 seasons, Cholly has the best average finish (1.7). Davey Johnson is next at 1.9.

Obviously, spending his entire managerial career in 5-team divisions helped him out there.

   13. stevegamer Posted: August 15, 2019 at 05:26 AM (#5871566)
I see several ways in which this could backfire- which one do you suppose will be most likely to become an issue?


It's backfired in one way already. Had plans to take the fiancee to the Reading Phillies game on Sunday to meet Charlie, see the WS trophy on her birthday. That appearance has been cancelled.

It also is a bit more vindication for Manuel based on the crappy way he got fired from the managerial gig for the next managerial wunderkind, Ryne Sandberg.

If by backfire, you mean Kapler and/or Klentak lose their jobs, I'd say that's just a firing. Kapler is a guy who's in over his head, and his firing would be welcomed. Actually causing Kapler to be gone would work nicely in the karma department.

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