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Tuesday, October 18, 2022

Mariners and Jesse Winker are reportedly at odds and butting heads

There was more as well. Here are some of the highlights from that conversation on the radio.

Players are tired of Winker’s act. Tired of putting up with him. The team was frustrated with him.
He wasn’t even with the team and didn’t go to Toronto or Houston. The Mariners likely told him to just go home.
Haniger and Winker are opposites. Haniger puts in all the work, and Winker puts in none. Not to improve defense or his arm, and just isn’t strong enough.
Expected to play just by showing up.
If he didn’t get to play a DH, he would essentially pout, causing other players to have to play all 18 innings.
The team puts in a ton of work to get ready, and he does nothing. Doesn’t follow through with what his responsibilities are.
There are going to be hard conversations with him, or they are just going to move on.
When you put up one of the worst defensive seasons in all of baseball, this isn’t something that can come out about you. All year, I had tried to defend him. Whether it was just a down year with the move, injury, or some combination, I was in his corner still. I rep those Good Vibes, and was trying to do it with Winker.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 18, 2022 at 05:12 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The_Ex Posted: October 18, 2022 at 06:55 PM (#6101506)
Love getting the inside scoop like this. But what does it do to Winker's trade value?
   2. John Northey Posted: October 18, 2022 at 07:30 PM (#6101512)
A LF who had a 103 OPS+ and negative bWAR last year? He has no trade value. He has to hit like he did in 2020-21 or he is worthless. A 130+ OPS+ is needed from a guy with no defensive skills.
   3. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: October 18, 2022 at 07:47 PM (#6101520)
Time to send him home to Cincinnati to do some DHing.
   4. The Duke Posted: October 18, 2022 at 07:55 PM (#6101522)
Something in the water in Seattle makes people tell the truth
   5. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 18, 2022 at 08:44 PM (#6101536)
He is signed for next year for $8M. He has negative value.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: October 18, 2022 at 11:22 PM (#6101572)
Feels like a Reds player to me. I just never got the vibe that the Reds front office cared about these type of things. When people wonder why some teams do better than other teams with their lower tiered players, this is the thing I think about.
   7. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 19, 2022 at 09:22 AM (#6101588)
Feels like a Reds player to me. I just never got the vibe that the Reds front office cared about these type of things.

I'm surprised you're able to discern the Reds' mindset from that lofty Cardinals perch.

The Reds spent a supplemental 1st round pick on Winker. There were always questions about his defense. But when he hit, he hit, and the Reds got a couple of decent years out of him while the team was a fringe playoff contender.

I don't see how Winker is indicative of some greater organizational blind spot. Especially since none of these types of issues came up while he was in Cincinnati.

   8. Nasty Nate Posted: October 19, 2022 at 09:38 AM (#6101591)
I couldn't tell if #6 was complimenting the Reds or insulting them.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 19, 2022 at 09:38 AM (#6101592)
He is signed for next year for $8M. He has negative value.

The guy had a career 130 OPS+ coming into this year. 140 in his previous 650 PA. $8M is not expensive. Someone would give something to see if they can get a 140 OPS+ bat. especially with everyone needing a DH now.
   10. The Duke Posted: October 19, 2022 at 10:13 AM (#6101601)
6. Well the reds got rid of him so maybe they did care
   11. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 19, 2022 at 11:35 AM (#6101617)
I could see the Sox kicking the tires on him. I wouldn't expect Seattle to get much more than a flyer arm or two though.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2022 at 03:10 PM (#6101660)
Roughly speaking, Winker is somewhere in the pool of Grossman, Schwarber, Castellanos, Teoscar, Mancini, Wil Myers, Voit, Pederson. With the right timing, he makes $100 M and guys like this can almost always get $8-10 but it's not so much talent that he can get away with being a lazy jerk.
   13. bfan Posted: October 20, 2022 at 12:30 PM (#6101813)
Because we love Seattle and scorn Cincinnati, you get this thread, but didn't Seattle trade for him?
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 20, 2022 at 02:28 PM (#6101825)
Because we love Seattle and scorn Cincinnati, you get this thread, but didn't Seattle trade for him?

I thought we regularly mock Seattle? #6 org? They went like 15 years without developing an above average hitter.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: October 20, 2022 at 02:50 PM (#6101829)
didn't Seattle trade for him?

Well, they traded for him and Eugenio Suarez. They don't seem to have given up much in that trade. They needed a starting OF/DH and a 3B. Winker had been a guy who hit well but was below-average on defense but this year didn't hit well and apparently played atrocious defense ... but Seattle kept sending him out there anyway and DHing Carlos Santana who hit the same. Meanwhile Suarez looked like a guy in major decline, was even below replacement last year, and he had a fabulous 4-WAR year. I'd call it a win for Seattle.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: October 20, 2022 at 03:54 PM (#6101844)
Jerry Dipoto says “Winker wasn’t with us on the line because he was having surgery on his left knee. He’ll also have a procedure done on his neck.

Injuries he was dealing with at the end were very real.”

https://twitter.com/Jake_M_Garcia/status/1582857158680399873
   17. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: October 21, 2022 at 10:09 AM (#6101937)
Challenge trade: Alex Verdugo for Jesse Winker, who says no?

The (former) Red Sox player Winker makes me think of is Andrew Benintendi. Trading Winker would likely be trading low as the Sox foolishly did on Benny. One less year of control though for Winker.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: October 21, 2022 at 10:16 AM (#6101938)
Trading Verdugo now would also be trading low.
   19. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 21, 2022 at 11:38 AM (#6101952)
Challenge trade: Alex Verdugo for Jesse Winker, who says no?


Verdugo is younger, cheaper, tied to his team longer, plays better defense, is a better baserunner, is more durable, and is a known personality to the team. Why would you trade all of that to get someone who can *maybe* hit enough to make up for the decreased defense?

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