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Sunday, November 13, 2022

Mariners hire Dave Cameron

Ran into a familiar face watching the Mariners minor leaguers work on the backfields of Peoria, AZ. Dave Cameron, formerly of Fangraphs, the Padres and USS Mariner,  has been hired as a consultant for the Mariners.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 13, 2022 at 11:14 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bookbook Posted: November 14, 2022 at 05:18 AM (#6105431)
I think he was hired at the beginning of this past season.
   2. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: November 14, 2022 at 07:31 AM (#6105436)
#6 story of the offseason!
   3. Darren Posted: November 14, 2022 at 01:41 PM (#6105477)
#2 gets a primey!

It's too bad Cameron isn't writing publicly anymore. He could be abrasive at times but he is a great writer and I would always seek out his work.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 14, 2022 at 03:01 PM (#6105485)

It's too bad Cameron isn't writing publicly anymore. He could be abrasive at times but he is a great writer and I would always seek out his work.


Agree. Cameron was entertaining. Some abrasiveness can be good for a writer. He had a weird crowd of sycophants at fangraphs, though, that made intelligent discussion impossible on his articles.
   5. . . . . . . Posted: November 14, 2022 at 03:11 PM (#6105488)
“I’ve seen Cano play a lot, and I’m not even sure he’d be a productive Triple-A player. Let’s start with his defense; it’s brutal. He has terrible footwork and simply lacks any kind of instincts around the bag. There’s no way you want him playing up the middle. He might have the raw speed to not be awful in left field, but that’s about as kind as I can be regarding his glove work. Offensively, he’s a fastball hitter. He sits dead red on every pitch and waits for a mistake. Any good breaking ball or off-speed pitch will have him out in front. He’s mostly a gap hitter, lacking the power to drive the ball consistently over the wall. To add insult to injury, he’s also a terrible base runner.

In his prime, I think he could hit .280/.320/.400 while playing awful defense. Yippee.”


Third rate mind who is a perfect fit for a low-paying job in the margins of the business.
   6. Darren Posted: November 14, 2022 at 04:05 PM (#6105498)
He was wrong about a prospect? Burrrrnnnn him!
   7. pikepredator Posted: November 14, 2022 at 05:22 PM (#6105511)
He was wrong about a prospect? Burrrrnnnn him!


I had the opposite thought with the article that Callis would be "absolutely surprised if Jackson Holliday isn't a superstar." I figured that was sensationalist headline writing but it's a straight-up quote.

Seems like sure things flame out with regularity in baseball, moreso than other sports.
   8. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: November 14, 2022 at 07:24 PM (#6105524)
In his prime, I think he could hit .280/.320/.400 while playing awful defense. Yippee.
Maybe he was talking about a hypothetical clean Cano?
   9. Hank Gillette Posted: November 14, 2022 at 07:37 PM (#6105525)
When did he leave the Padres?
   10. Ron J Posted: November 14, 2022 at 09:16 PM (#6105544)
#5 I've posted plenty of howlers from official scouting reports. One of the biggest names in scouting at the time dismissed Jimmy Key outright (thought he might be a spec pick as hitter but didn't see a position for him. And in Stan Hart's Scouting Reports you can see his own copy of the report with the note: "Missed this one"

Everybody has their misses. It's the general accuracy rather than the misses or hits that matter.

Granted that Cameron's personality (and the abrasiveness of his followers) makes it natural to bring up this particular howler. Not just wrong but so confidently wrong.
   11. Rally Posted: November 14, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6105547)
If you were worried about being wrong on a scouting report then pretty much everything you turn in would be vague and wishy washy. Teams don’t want that. They want you to make a call.
   12. geonose Posted: November 14, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6105571)
When did he leave the Padres?


The report I am finding here is from October 2021. What he has been doing since seems to be a mystery.

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