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Marlins part ways with president of baseball operations Michael Hill. Here’s what’s next

Michael Hill, the Miami Marlins president of baseball operations for the last eight years, maneuvered through 174 roster roster moves and a COVID-19 outbreak to help the Marlins achieve one of their most successful season in franchise history. They had a winning record and reached the playoffs for the first time since 2003 one season after losing 105 games.

It turned out to be his final act in nearly two decades as part of the Marlins’ front office.

The Marlins are not retaining Hill, CEO Derek Jeter announced Sunday. Hill’s contract was set to expire, and Jeter’s plan was to wait until after the Marlins’ playoffs run ended to address his future. The two met over the past week to discuss Hill potentially returning but ultimately Jeter decided the best move was to part ways.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 18, 2020 at 02:02 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 18, 2020 at 04:57 PM (#5983722)
Gift basket on his way out.
   2. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 18, 2020 at 06:06 PM (#5983724)
Is Jeter actually making these decisions? Because if I were a billionaire and owned a team, Derek Jeter would not have any authority to do anything except discussing with certain players the advantages of an inside-out swing.
   3. Ron J Posted: October 18, 2020 at 07:51 PM (#5983728)
#2 But that attitude can give you the Peter Angelos Orioles. To be clear, I don't know that this is Jeter's idea -- though he's certainly taking responsibility for it.

And in isolation I don't know whether this is a good idea or not. I start by being against all ideas that start, "Let's make a change. Now what?"

I think Hill did at least an adequate job with the hand he was dealt but I will wait to see what the next move is before I judge this.
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 18, 2020 at 08:24 PM (#5983730)
Ron,
My point was that I don't think I'd have Jeter making these sorts of management decisions as I think as an executive he's woefully underqualified.

I'd have some execs with lots of success in MLB running my team. Jeter is not one of those. He was a d*mn fine player, but an executive he is not.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: October 18, 2020 at 11:15 PM (#5983795)
But that ship has sailed. Jeter is the CEO and (based on what I could find quickly on the web), he's the guy Hill (PBO) reports to. (Wouldn't surprise me if there is an Exec VP or some such in between.) Possibly Jeter needs the approval of the wider board to make a move like this but if the CEO can't decide who the right person is to be PBO, then who does?

I agree I don't think I'd have Jeter making these decisions either but that means I wouldn't have Jeter as the CEO of my company. This is the sort of thing I'd be paying my CEO to do.
   6. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2020 at 11:35 PM (#5983821)
If Jeter actually is making the decisions, the possibility might have to be considered that he actually is good at it.* The Marlins have come a long way in a couple of years. If it was Michael Hill, then he should be a hot GM candidate. In Hill's case, you can always bring him in for an interview and decide for yourself if you want to hire him.

* And that would kind of transcend annoying and become awesome instead.
   7. Ron J Posted: October 19, 2020 at 02:44 AM (#5983864)
I see things exactly as Walt does. It's a decision the CEO should be making and Jeter is the CEO.

I think he lacks the qualifications I'd have been looking for, but every now and then that kind of thing works out.
   8. Rally Posted: October 19, 2020 at 08:52 AM (#5983872)
I have no idea exactly how responsible Hill was for the Marlins trade returns, but at the very least he was the man in charge and delegated the work to competent people. Marlins have generally been forced from above to trade away their big assets, and Hill's team has done a great job of making those trades look like wins. Even though they take a lot of heat right after the trade because they are dealing away an MVP, a future MVP, or an all star and getting players nobody ever heard of in return.

The Realmuto trade looks good.

For two years of slightly above average hitting and not so great corner outfield defense of Marcel Ozuna, they got Sandy Alcantara and Zac Gallen. Alcantara gave them almost 200 innings last year with a sub 4 ERA, and 42 innings this year with a 3.00 ERA. Gallen looks like an ace in Arizona, which reflects well on the team acquiring him although they flipped him away and the return on that (Chisholm) is uncertain.

The Yelich trade doesn't look so good, none of the 4 players have shown much so far.

The players they got for Stanton don't impress, two lottery ticket minor leaguers and a stop gap/salary offset in Castro who has already moved on in free agency. Marlins will owe the Yankees 30 million dollars when Stanton surprisingly does not opt out of his contract, but that is a lot better than being stuck with 7 years of that contract to an oft-injured DH.

I think Hill's player evaluation skills will be in demand.

   9. SoSH U at work Posted: October 19, 2020 at 09:00 AM (#5983874)
I think Hill's player evaluation skills will be in demand.


Along those lines, I'm surprised Beinfest didn't land another job when he left South Florida.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 19, 2020 at 09:32 AM (#5983876)


Along those lines, I'm surprised Beinfest didn't land another job when he left South Florida.


David Samson found a short list of job offers once he left.

Best regards.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 19, 2020 at 10:25 AM (#5983884)
@CraigMish
Marlins have yet to conduct interviews for Team President, but I believe Jim Hendry is a key name to watch. A great communicator & collaborator. Was with Florida Marlins before taking Cubs GM role. Now w NYY as special assistant to GM.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: October 19, 2020 at 10:34 AM (#5983886)
Jeter definitely seems like the kind of guy who would hire someone he already knows.
   13. Buck Coats Posted: October 19, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5983911)
If Jeter actually is making the decisions, the possibility might have to be considered that he actually is good at it.* The Marlins have come a long way in a couple of years.


Have they? They won 77 games in 2017 before Jeter took over, and 79 games in 2016.

Then Jeter took over and they won 63 games in 2018, 57 games in 2019. This year they went 31-29 in a 60-game stretch (33-32 in a 65-game stretch if you want to include the playoffs I guess.)
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 19, 2020 at 12:39 PM (#5983917)
They were clearly in a rebuild, so I don't think he should be judged on wins/losses yet anymore than Theo Epstein should be judged on losing 90+ games in each of his first two years in Chicago. He may be good at decision-making, I don't think we know yet, it looks like a mixed record right now.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 19, 2020 at 03:04 PM (#5983947)
This year they went 31-29 in a 60-game stretch (33-32 in a 65-game stretch if you want to include the playoffs I guess.)
That was done under extremely adverse circumstances, with a large part of the roster unavailable for significant portions of the season, so it probably should count as some evidence that Marlins have actually turned a corner. Obviously, 2021 will have a lot to say about whether that is really the case, but Marlins 2020 seems like a promising sign that few saw coming.
   16. Rally Posted: October 19, 2020 at 03:12 PM (#5983949)
I don’t think you can use rebuilding as an excuse when the whole reason for the rebuild is the new owners took over and demanded payroll cut to the bone.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 19, 2020 at 03:22 PM (#5983953)

I don’t think you can use rebuilding as an excuse when the whole reason for the rebuild is the new owners took over and demanded payroll cut to the bone.


Why not? If they win a title in a few years, won't it be worth it? How is this different from what the Astros did when Jim Crane bought the team?
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 19, 2020 at 06:48 PM (#5983972)
Why not? If they win a title in a few years, won't it be worth it?

In Miami? No. They still won't draw flies. And they'll dismantle the team as soon as anyone gets expensive. Does anyone really have fond memories of their previous championships?
   19. Rally Posted: October 19, 2020 at 07:48 PM (#5983980)
For some people I know, this playoff run ruined it. They can no longer say the Marlins have never lost a playoff series.
   20. Buck Coats Posted: October 20, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5984057)
Why not? If they win a title in a few years, won't it be worth it? How is this different from what the Astros did when Jim Crane bought the team?


I mean that kind of assumes the conclusion, no? Any move they make is worth it if they win the title, the question is have these moves made that more likely?
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 20, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5984058)

In Miami? No. They still won't draw flies.


Okay, but that doesn't really have much to do with whether or not the decisiosn they've made in the last three years are good or bad, does it?


I mean that kind of assumes the conclusion, no? Any move they make is worth it if they win the title, the question is have these moves made that more likely?


That's my point, we don't know if he's good at decision making or not, it's a bit rash to conclude anything three years into his tenure.

   22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2020 at 03:51 PM (#5984081)
In Miami? No. They still won't draw flies.
Why assume Miami would be forever unaffected by the factors that have made other franchises successful? Prior ownership was awfully impatient, seemingly unwilling to stick with a multi-year plan, with carryover effects still felt now, but I doubt the current ownership wants to go down that same path.

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