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Wednesday, February 27, 2019

Marlins take leadership role in teaching players Spanish

JUPITER, Fla. (AP) — New Miami Marlins catcher Jorge Alfaro showed up for the team’s first full-squad spring training workout wearing a T-shirt that read, “I talk (trash) about you in Spanish,” with a word more pungent and less publishable than “trash.”

The Marlins’ English speakers are onto him.

At the behest of CEO Derek Jeter, the Marlins last year began Spanish language classes for coaches, and the program has since been expanded throughout the organization, from media relations to analytics to the front office. Now minor league players who speak English are being taught Spanish, while Spanish-speakers learn English — part of a trend in Major League Baseball toward more bilingual teams.

So, what is the proper Spanish for “I want to be traded!”, “What did I do to deserve this?”, and “Captain Intangibles is a Yankee stooge”?

 

QLE Posted: February 27, 2019 at 07:24 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: language training, marlins, spanish

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   1. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5818639)
“We want to invest in the players outside of their athletic abilities — invest in them as human beings,” Jeter says.

"As long as it doesn't involve, you know, paying them actual money."
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: February 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5818642)
Good for the Marlins. I probably won't say that again this year.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 27, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5818645)
New Miami Marlins catcher Jorge Alfaro showed up for the team’s first full-squad spring training workout wearing a T-shirt that read, “I talk (trash) about you in Spanish,” with a word more pungent and less publishable than “trash.”
I can understand not being happy that you got traded to the Marlins, but I'm not sure that's exactly the first impression you want to make.
   4. JL72 Posted: February 27, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5818650)
So, what is the proper Spanish for “I want to be traded!”, “What did I do to deserve this?”, and “Captain Intangibles is a Yankee stooge”?


What about "Here, take this nice gift basket on your way out"?
   5. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5818656)
This is a great move that all teams should follow.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5818659)
This is a great move that all teams should follow.

I a world of limited resources, teaching English to the non-English speakers should be priority 1, 2 and 3. It helps them in their real life as well as MLB.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5818661)
I a world of limited resources, teaching English to the non-English speakers should be priority 1, 2 and 3.
Come on. How much does a language program cost relative to a Major League Baseball team’s budget? Or even the Marlins’?

It helps them in their real life as well as MLB.
The same applies to teaching English speakers Spanish.
   8. manchestermets Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5818662)
"As long as it doesn't involve, you know, paying them actual money."


bfan will be along shortly to tell us how this proves that claims the Marlins are just pocketing the revenue sharing money are nonsense.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5818666)
The same applies to teaching English speakers Spanish.

Like 1% as much.

Come on. How much does a language program cost relative to a Major League Baseball team’s budget? Or even the Marlins’?

To teach all your minor leaguers functional English within say 1 year of arriving in the U.S.? A decent chunk of change.
   10. . Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5818669)
Let the virtue signaling commence!!
   11. . Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5818670)
Can we just dispense with the foreplay and get right to the part where everyone calls snapper a racist?
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5818671)
I’ll just note that it says right in the excerpt that the Marlins are indeed teaching Spanish speakers English as well, so Snapper can breathe easy.
   13. jmurph Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5818672)
I genuinely don't blame anyone for not RTFA, that's how we do things around here, but the Marlins are obviously (seriously, obviously) also teaching their native spanish-speaking players english. You unbelievable dolts.

EDIT: Sort of a coke to ElRoy but obviously my post is BETTER.
   14. . Posted: February 27, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5818673)
“We’re learning about each other,” says Gary Denbo, vice president of scouting and player development. “We address cultural awareness: Why do Latin players listen to their music so loud? Why do American players take it so hard when they go 0 for 4 with the expectations placed on them by their families? Why do some guys talk so loud on the bus?


LOLOL. White 25-year-olds don't listen to music loud? Maybe he should tell my former neighbors and roommates and speaker repairmen.

This is beyond caricature at this point. Stick to pitching and catching and hitting and shut up. You're embarrassing yourself.
   15. bfan Posted: February 27, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5818691)
This is a great move that all teams should follow.


I agree with this, primarily as a marketing move so the players better relate to their local customer base. That means that the new franchise in Montreal should teach their players to speak French, and the Yankees and Mets should require their players to watch Andrew Dice Clay videos, to better pick up the local vernacular.
   16. base ball chick Posted: February 27, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5818695)
Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5818639)

“We want to invest in the players outside of their athletic abilities — invest in them as human beings,” Jeter says.


"As long as it doesn't involve, you know, paying them actual money."



DINGDINGDINGDING !!!!

language teachers are not expensive

and having a spanish speaking player rooming with an english speaking player will help too

and why is gary denbo blathering stereotypes that are not true fer chrissakes
   17. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 27, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5818701)
language teachers are not expensive

Sadly, I wish Dr. MrsPRD, ESL Teacher Educator Extraordinaire, were more expensive to her university.
   18. . Posted: February 27, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5818707)
and why is gary denbo blathering stereotypes that are not true fer chrissakes


Well, there was also this:

At the start of spring training, the Marlins held a cooking competition for a group of top minor leaguers. The winning team of outfielder Connor Scott, shortstop Osiris Johnson and pitcher Jorge Guzman celebrated with whoops and high-fives — exactly the kind of scene Marlins officials hope to see more of.

The trio were white, black and Latin, and their chicken and broccoli stir fry reportedly was delicious.

“You’ve got three guys from totally different worlds,” Denbo says.


Certainly, more nuance and discussion and refinement can be done on the subject but the "why" boils down to diversity being a good idea as a big picture generality, but prone to absurd if not racist application when it filters through society so entirely. The "totally different worlds" thing is based entirely on race and is preposterous -- particularly for the two American guys. A white American talented baseball player has far more in common with a black talented baseball player of the same age than differentiates them.(*) Why society would focus like an OCD laser beam on the superficial differences between them -- if those are really even "differences," and I wouldn't admit that they were -- and ignore the commonalities is a complete mystery and emblematic of a society that has lost its way pretty badly.

(*) My son's 1A best friend is a black kid, they've hung out a bunch at my apartment, tremendous kid in every way. Why would I ever ignore all that and focus like a laser beam on his "blackness"? The idea is ridiculous and silly. Same analysis for my black brother-in-law, his father, and my "half-black" niece and nephew -- fantastic kids both. My best guess is that the Marlins guys who are forced into this "let's cook stir fry" training think it's utterly ridiculous -- which of course it is -- though of course they're mouthing the right platitudes about it publicly.
   19. base ball chick Posted: February 27, 2019 at 01:09 PM (#5818709)
well,

your wife is just a female, and a teacher and we all know Those People aren't worth much
   20. base ball chick Posted: February 27, 2019 at 01:14 PM (#5818711)
SBB

our youngest goes to a magnet school where our sort is definitely a minority there but he has friends of every persuasion you can think of because every sort is there. haven't run into kids or parents who are afraid of their kid having a friend of african ancestry (however he certainly HAS run into a few parents who don't want him DATING their daughters and this is not exactly limited to White)

and minor league Black guys are most likely to be from an upper middle class/wealthy family, just like White ballplayers and have been playing baseball together since t-ball

guys usually hang with other guys who like the same stuff

and this is 2019 not 1969 and really it is time for all the stupid race oriented clicks on a team to just stahp
   21. . Posted: February 27, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5818714)
our youngest goes to a magnet school where our sort is definitely a minority there but he has friends of every persuasion you can think of because every sort is there. haven't run into kids or parents who are afraid of their kid having a friend of african ancestry (however he certainly HAS run into a few parents who don't want him DATING their daughters and this is not exactly limited to White)


Nice! The younger generation is figuring it all out on their own, and their perspectives on it are way better than adults. Hopefully none of the parents will ruin the dating thing. My own experience on it is that my sister was a bit worried about it (mid-90s) with our parents, and rightfully so, I thought they'd be by-and-large ok with it and told her I'd run interference for her if they weren't, and they were. Their marriage is quite a bit better than mine ever was, and I fully expect them to see it through to the end. My dad and his dad -- a great guy -- hit it off almost immediately and were good friends until my dad passed away a couple years ago.

and minor league Black guys are most likely to be from an upper middle class/wealthy family, just like White ballplayers and have been playing baseball together since t-ball

guys usually hang with other guys who like the same stuff

and this is 2019 not 1969 and really it is time for all the stupid race oriented clicks on a team to just stahp


A-yup.
   22. BillWallace Posted: February 27, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5818745)
In football manager you can pay for a new international signing to take local language courses, it costs like $50k or more.
   23. haven Posted: February 27, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5818760)
At the start of spring training, the Marlins held a cooking competition for a group of top minor leaguers. The winning team of outfielder Connor Scott, shortstop Osiris Johnson and pitcher Jorge Guzman celebrated with whoops and high-fives — exactly the kind of scene Marlins officials hope to see more of.

The trio were white, black and Latin, and their chicken and broccoli stir fry reportedly was delicious.

“You’ve got three guys from totally different worlds,” Denbo says.


when i first read this i thought it said "cookie", not "cooking" competition

my first thought was a chicken broccoli stir fry cookie sounds awful no matter what world you are from...
   24. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 27, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5818771)
and minor league Black guys are most likely to be from an upper middle class/wealthy family, just like White ballplayers and have been playing baseball together since t-ball


Sure, in baseball now that it's a middle class sport with half of the players coming from California and Texas. But residential segregation and segregated schools are still standard in most of America.

Let's see, the aforementioned Osiris Johnson is from the famous Encinal High School in Oakland that produced Willie Stargell, Jimmy Rollins, Tommy Harper and Dontrelle Willis among others. Although those guys are all black, the school is extremely diverse. It also produced Chris Speier.
   25. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: February 27, 2019 at 07:31 PM (#5818885)
Maybe cooking lessons aren't such a bad idea after all...

Brandon Nimmo missing time in ST because he doesn't know how to safely cook chicken

#LOLMets


EDIT: Let's see, the aforementioned Osiris Johnson is from the famous Encinal High School in Oakland

Encinal (in Alameda, btw, not mainland Oakland) is NOBODY'S idea of upper middle.
   26. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:14 PM (#5818892)
Yo Jeter

¿Dónde está mi cesta de regalo?
   27. BrianBrianson Posted: February 27, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5818894)
in Alameda, btw, not mainland Oakland


Where they keep the nuclear wessels. No wonder it's full of athletic supermen.

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