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MASN: Scherzer “fundamentally against” MLB’s new pitch clock

Scherzer voiced strong opposition tonight to Major League Baseball’s latest change to improve pace of play, declaring himself “fundamentally against” the pitch clock after experiencing it for the first time during the Nationals’ 7-6, walk-off win over the Astros in both clubs’ Grapefruit League opener.

“I know, as players, that’s something MLB is trying to negotiate,” the three-time Cy Young Award winner said. “I don’t think there’s a negotiation here. As players, it just shouldn’t be in the game. Having a pitch clock - and if you have ball/strike implications - that’s messing with the fabric of the game. There’s no clock in baseball, and there’s no clock in baseball for a reason. So, that’s my thoughts.”...

Scherzer’s complaints had nothing to do with his own difficulties keeping up the pace tonight. He consistently began his windup with roughly nine seconds left on the clock, so he was never in danger of committing a violation.

But he admitted the clock, one of which was stationed behind the third base on-deck circle, was distracting to his routine.

“When I’m on the mound, I have tunnel vision (typically) and all I see is the catcher,” he said. “(The clock) is there. I don’t know, now having to actually throw to it, I think it’s more of a distraction than anything. I get that there are parts of the game that we can clean up, and I think there can be meaningful changes, but I’m fundamentally against this.”

I think an actual ticking clock could definitely be a distraction but is the clock only visible to the pitcher? How does the ump decide, if the 20 second mark is exceeded, was it the fault of the pitcher or the batter

Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 08:49 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Man o' Schwar Posted: February 24, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5817709)
I'm assuming there's a clock behind the catcher for the pitcher to see, and some kind of clock on the scoreboard in the OF that the ump and catcher could see.

On the second point, who knows. If a batter steps out for 10 seconds, and then the pitcher stalls for 10 seconds, maybe call a ball and a strike. Enough blame to go around for everyone.
   2. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 24, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5817711)
Well, yes, of course pitchers are going to be against it. But pitchers don't pay the bills. Fans do.

Players have been whining all winter about not getting enough money. You want more money, the surest path to it is to quit dicking around and play baseball. More people will become fans. More fans means more money. People do not want to invest their time, much less their money, in watching you dick around.
   3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5817719)
On the second point, who knows. If a batter steps out for 10 seconds, and then the pitcher stalls for 10 seconds, maybe call a ball and a strike. Enough blame to go around for everyone.

on another forum someone was claiming that the rules say the batter has to be in the box and ready with at least 5 seconds left on he clock. I've never seen that anywhere else so I have no idea it it's accurate
   4. . Posted: February 24, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5817721)
I saw the five second for the batter rule, too. Either on MLB.com, ESPN.com, or Bill Maddon's column I think.
   5. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: February 24, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5817722)
2018 rulebook on time between pitches:

(c) Pitcher Delays
When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to
the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time
the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall
call “Ball.”
The 12-second timing starts when the pitcher is in possession of the
ball and the batter is in the box, alert to the pitcher. The timing
stops when the pitcher releases the ball.
2018 Official Baseball Rules_2018 Official
Baseball Rules 2/27/18 2:16 PM
Page 35

Rule 5.07(c) to 5.07(f)

The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire
shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and
that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious
delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 24, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5817727)
And I am now fundamentally against Max Scherzer.
   7. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: February 24, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5817736)
1) Get in the damn box.
2) Throw the damn ball.
   8. Bote Man Posted: February 24, 2019 at 07:42 PM (#5817748)
I doubt that this new pitch clock will have much practical effect. The clock shuts off once the pitcher toes the rubber and starts going through the signs with the catcher, so let the gaming of the system begin!
   9. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 07:55 PM (#5817751)
The clock shuts off once the pitcher toes the rubber and starts going through the signs with the catcher, so let the gaming of the system begin!


That is not what the rule in #5 says.
   10. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 24, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5817756)
That is not what the rule in #5 says.

The rule in #5 is not the new pitch clock rule, it's the preexisting rule about time between pitches that is never enforced.
   11. Jack Sommers Posted: February 24, 2019 at 11:30 PM (#5817783)

How does the ump decide, if the 20 second mark is exceeded, was it the fault of the pitcher or the batter


In the Arizona Fall league, if the batter was not in the box and ready to hit with 5 seconds left on the clock, a strike was called.

   12. tonywagner Posted: February 25, 2019 at 07:08 AM (#5817792)
The clock shuts off once the pitcher toes the rubber and starts going through the signs with the catcher,


That's not what I've read.

"A pitcher must be set or begin his windup before the clock expires"

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/mlb-reveals-details-of-spring-training-pitch-clock-rules/1uruvjxv3xd0s1uhrfitbk6cmj
   13. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 25, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5817835)
1) Get in the damn box.
2) Throw the damn ball.


Just this would make the game so much more enjoyable.
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5817887)
1) Get in the damn box.
2) Throw the damn ball.


This. Along with

3) Stop stepping out of the box to adjust your goddam glove after each pitch.
   15. Greg Pope Posted: February 25, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5817892)
Something just occurred to me. At the minor league stadiums where this is implemented, do the fans ever start counting down, like when the clock reaches 10 seconds or something? That would be a real downside to this.
   16. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5817934)
The countdown would actually be awesome, particularly if the home fans do it with fake numbers at the visitors, like college basketball fans.

The fussiness behind sentiments like Scherzer's have grown extremely tiresome. Throw the ####### ball and shut up.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5817941)
3) Stop stepping out of the box to adjust your goddam glove after each pitch.

The batter stepping out without permission should be an automatic strike. The batter can ask for permission only once per at bat. If you use it and you get dirt in your eye, I'll guess you'll just strikeout.
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5817946)
You don't need to call an automatic strike. Just don't call time out when the batter steps out of the box, and let the clock continue to run.
   19. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5817953)
Since the clock isn't on for the first pitch, you'd expect far more first pitches to be taken this year. That pitch should be relatively better than clocked ones. If it's not, all the stuff about how "we need to rest longer between reps to make our pitches better" will be exposed as pure BS.
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5817982)
The fussiness behind sentiments like Scherzer's have grown extremely tiresome.
Especially the token nods to "acknowledging" that pace of play is a problem, which they all do:

I get that there are parts of the game that we can clean up, and I think there can be meaningful changes, but I’m fundamentally against this.”
"Yes, I understand that pace is an issue, and I totally agree that other people should make changes to solve the problem in ways that don't affect me whatsoever."
   21. Blastin Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5817986)
The batter stepping out without permission should be an automatic strike.


I would just say you get permission once, and if you step out, well, the ball is live, strike for you (and you got lucky if it's a ball).
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5817996)
You don't need to call an automatic strike. Just don't call time out when the batter steps out of the box, and let the clock continue to run.

I would just say you get permission once, and if you step out, well, the ball is live, strike for you (and you got lucky if it's a ball).

As long as anything within 10 feet of home is called a strike, fine.
   23. Blastin Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5818003)
I mean, I don't have a problem if they step out but time isn't called, right? They can do that all they want, game wouldn't slow down.
   24. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5818006)
"Yes, I understand that pace is an issue, and I totally agree that other people should make changes to solve the problem in ways that don't affect me whatsoever."


Once he gets used to it, it won't affect him whatsoever. Max isn't one to dick around out there. It will just speed up the guys who like to take a lap or two around the mound, dawdle, pick up the rosin bag for a few seconds, throw it down, take another walk around the mound... bleh. One Steve Trachsel was enough. A whole league of them would drop snapper to no worse than history's 43rd greatest monster. :-)
   25. . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5818007)
I don't think the clock stops if they step out, and they have to be ready to roll with 5+ seconds on the clock -- so hopefully the era of batter dawdling is nearing its merciful end.

Please, please, please no compromises on this, Manfred. Even Gary (#######) Bettman and the hockey owners can actually achieve real improvements in how the game is played.

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