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Thursday, July 16, 2009

Maybe This Is Why They Called Him “The Lip”

Krazee Eyez Killa agrees with Leo.

So there I was, late in the summer of 1969, sitting next to the Chicago Cubs’ manager, Leo Durocher…..
....So I press Durocher, once a Yankee shortstop, later manager of the Giants and Willie Mays, for words of wisdom about winning and losing. He offers me perspective.

I follow the tilt of his head toward an attractive woman in the stands as he says, “Kid, show me a man who doesn’t go down on his wife and I’ll show you a man whose wife I can sleep with, tonight.”

winnipegwhip Posted: July 16, 2009 at 08:34 PM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: July 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM (#3256533)
sage advice, that...
   2. Harry Balsagne Posted: July 16, 2009 at 11:29 PM (#3256583)
...and it's more or less true, though I can't imagine anyone receiving cunning linguistics from Leo Durocher. Well I can, but I don't want to.
   3. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 16, 2009 at 11:31 PM (#3256590)
Wasn't Leo known for catting around with Hollywood starlets?
   4. rr Posted: July 16, 2009 at 11:33 PM (#3256592)
Wasn't Leo known for catting around with Hollywood starlets?


He married an actress. I think, though, he was known for trying to score any time and anywhere.
   5. Steve Treder Posted: July 16, 2009 at 11:43 PM (#3256609)
He married an actress. I think, though, he was known for trying to score any time and anywhere.

He was notorious for it.

A couple of years ago at the Nine conference there was a presentation about Durocher and a civil case he was dealing with mid-season one year (I can't remember which year; I'm thinking it was when he was coaching under Alston with the Dodgers, but I could be wrong) that involved a relationship with a woman far younger than himself, and implied promises to marry and all kinds of stuff.

He was apparently an extremely unsavory individual.
   6. And You Thought Zonk Was Terminated? Posted: July 16, 2009 at 11:44 PM (#3256613)
Durocher and Mark Grace were made for each other. One of them chose the wrong generation to work in baseball.
   7. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: July 17, 2009 at 12:22 AM (#3256694)
He married an actress. I think, though, he was known for trying to score any time and anywhere.


He was notorious for it.



::shrug::

you only live once...
   8. Mr Dashwood Posted: July 17, 2009 at 12:32 AM (#3256718)
He was apparently an extremely unsavory individual.

His autobiography, Nice Guys Finish Last is a good read, though. Not much on the starlets, however.
   9. Leroy Kincaid Posted: July 17, 2009 at 12:33 AM (#3256719)
He was apparently an extremely unsavory individual.

I read in a book not long ago that when umpires really disliked someone they referred to him as a "Leo Durocher", the lowest form of life, or something like that.
   10. Ozzie's gay friend Posted: July 17, 2009 at 12:47 AM (#3256749)
gross
   11. Levi Stahl Posted: July 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM (#3256763)
My employer, the University of Chicago Press, will be republishing Nice Guys Finish Last in September, at my urging--should be available by early next month from any bookstore. Thirty-five years after it was published, it's still quite a read; you get the sense that if Durocher were still alive, he'd still be fighting with just about everyone in baseball.
   12. And You Thought Zonk Was Terminated? Posted: July 17, 2009 at 12:53 AM (#3256768)
My employer, the University of Chicago Press, will be republishing Nice Guys Finish Last in September, at my urging--should be available by early next month from any bookstore.


Awesome.
   13. Alex_Lewis Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:01 AM (#3256777)
Har har har.
   14. SouthSideRyan Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:07 AM (#3256794)
I whole heartedly agree with Durocher's stance on this.
   15. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:50 AM (#3256897)
I'll never watch his episodes of The Beverly Hillbillies, The Munsters, or Mr. Ed the same way again. Ellie May, no! Marilyn, no! Ed, no!
   16. bfan Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:55 AM (#3256908)
I understand Leo made Mr. Ed feel inadequate.
   17. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:57 AM (#3256909)
But Leo flinched at the mention of Milton Berle.
   18. AndrewJ Posted: July 17, 2009 at 02:14 AM (#3256931)
Harvard envied Milton Berle's endowment.
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 17, 2009 at 02:39 AM (#3256948)
He was apparently an extremely unsavory individual.

Reportedly, Durocher departed the Yankees after being caught stealing from the Babe, who caught Leo and beat the crap out of him. Much later, a similar incident was said to have ended Durocher's tenure as a member of Sinatra's entourage.
   20. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: July 17, 2009 at 02:54 AM (#3256953)
Leo Durocher is a ####### badass.
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:11 AM (#3256961)
"I understand Leo made Mr. Ed feel inadequate."

Mocked him for the lisp, eh?

Working on diction is hard.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:13 AM (#3256963)
Reportedly, Durocher departed the Yankees after being caught stealing from the Babe, who caught Leo and beat the crap out of him. Much later, a similar incident was said to have ended Durocher's tenure as a member of Sinatra's entourage.

Yes. he was effectively banned from the American League for stealing from Babe.

I understand Leo made Mr. Ed feel inadequate.

Well that's inconsistent with the above quote.

Leo reminds me of the old baseball quote, "Hey kid, I see you with a different girl every night. You must be a lousy lay."
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:26 AM (#3256971)
Leo Durocher didn't always enjoy loose pus.sy.
   24. wjones Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:49 PM (#3257163)
#23, I couldn't pull up the link.

Wasn't Durocher quoted as saying something like, "When I walk up to a woman, I grab her (crotch). If she doesn't move my hand in 5 seconds, I've got a chance."

So much for all that crap about yesterday's women having higher standards than today's women.
   25. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: July 17, 2009 at 01:52 PM (#3257165)
wjones, it's http://www.reversethecurse.com/images/santo-shea.jpg
   26. wjones Posted: July 17, 2009 at 02:00 PM (#3257170)
#25, still no luck. It won't take me there.
   27. The District Attorney Posted: July 17, 2009 at 02:21 PM (#3257185)
wjones (#23): Sort of... I believe he said within five minutes, and limited it to when he was on a date; I don't think he was going through life grabbbing every woman who crossed his path. There is a thread about the issue and Leo's love life in general here, although I will warn you that the thread is just 100% completely insufferable.
   28. Perry Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:15 PM (#3257252)
#27, you've about got it. He says if you pick her up for the date at 7:00, you've got to put your hand between her legs by 7:15. She slaps your face, oh well, it's only 7:15, the night is young. She leaves it there, you're home free. The punchline was, "Kid, there's some damn famous broads who won't move your hand."

Love that book (Nice Guys Finish Last), by the way.
   29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:35 PM (#3257284)
So much for all that crap about yesterday's women having higher standards than today's women.

Well, remember, these arethe women who would be willing to go out with Leo Durocher.
   30. wjones Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:46 PM (#3257300)
Well, remember, these arethe women who would be willing to go out with Leo Durocher.

Good point.

There is a thread about the issue and Leo's love life in general here, although I will warn you that the thread is just 100% completely insufferable.

Thanks. I read through the first 100 posts, and I see your point.
   31. phredbird Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:51 PM (#3257307)
His autobiography, Nice Guys Finish Last is a good read, though. Not much on the starlets, however.


it's a good read as far as getting a lot of baseball history from the horse's mouth, except that durocher was a slimeball and you couldn't trust his version of events. i felt like i needed to take a shower after reading it.
but he is an important figure. he seemed to be around for almost every famous baseball event from the mid-twenties to the late 60s.
   32. phredbird Posted: July 17, 2009 at 03:52 PM (#3257310)
oh, and that other thread was not me at my best. i was in a snit over something, and took it out on innocent bystanders. i'm better now, i hope.

:-)
   33. Urkel's Boner Posted: July 17, 2009 at 10:37 PM (#3257943)
He assumes there's not something fishy going on there.
   34. Walt Davis Posted: July 18, 2009 at 10:07 AM (#3258272)
“Kid, show me a man who doesn’t go down on his wife and I’ll show you a man whose wife I can sleep with, tonight.”

So nice guys finish last ... but come first?
   35. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM (#3258285)
If you combined the worst traits of Ozzie and Bobby Valentine as people with their best traits as manager you would have 70 odd percent of Leo. He was unique.

Leo the player would be fine in the 21st century. He would be regarded as colorful but otherwise left to be a rascal.

But asked to manage in the majors? Laughable.

If Leo was placed within 20 yards of Erin Andrews there would be a YouTube sensation.

If he had met Hannah Storm Leo would have started with, "Hannah Storm? I can make you all wet" and it would have gone downhill from there.

Not exactly Joe or Tony
   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM (#3258299)
And yet during Durocher's lifetime the most vocal outrage he ever caused had nothing to do with his meandering or with his brawling---it was when his wife posed for an SI cover with her arm around Willie Mays.
   37. hscs Posted: July 18, 2009 at 12:36 PM (#3258307)
I read the hard to believe Deadspin link, and all the prudish comments before I remembered who Krazee Eyez was. Hopefully LD gets his show back on track (not that it was bad) with the upcoming season.

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