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Tuesday, April 28, 2020

Mets360: Mets’ all-time defensive fielders by runs saved

Recently there was some chatter about who the best Met defensive players have been.  Marv Throneberry or Keith Hernandez – Bud Harrelson or Rey Ordonez, and so on.  Anecdotally, there are a couple of Mets with tremendous defensive reputations, and Gold Gloves, but were they deserving, given what we have learned from advanced metrics?  Let us look.

From Primate emeritus Chris Dial.

Adam Starblind Posted: April 28, 2020 at 10:17 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cblau Posted: April 28, 2020 at 09:56 PM (#5945678)
The Mets have had some pretty offensive fielders in their time, starting with Marv Throneberry.
   2. Mefisto Posted: April 28, 2020 at 10:03 PM (#5945681)
And Dick Stuart and Dave Kingman. The Mets really know how to pick 'em.
   3. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 29, 2020 at 12:40 AM (#5945721)
He didn't play very long for the Mets but Jose Valentin was excellent defensively at second base for the Mets in 2006.
   4. Lassus Posted: April 29, 2020 at 08:49 AM (#5945761)
I cannot believe Roger Cedeno only played one season for the Mets. I seem to recall him mangling the OF for three or four seasons. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
   5. Rally Posted: April 29, 2020 at 09:16 AM (#5945774)
This team did play both Kevin Mitchell and Howard Johnson at shortstop.
   6. bobm Posted: April 29, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5945803)
[5]

Not to be scientific, but 1986 starting lineups often put Johnson and Mitchell behind Fernandez (with flyball tendencies IIRC) rather than regular SS Santana.

 Starter Aguilera Anderson Berenyi Darling Fernandez Gooden Mitchell Niemann Ojeda Total
  Elster        1        1       0       1         4      1        0       0     1     9
 Johnson        0        1       1       5         8      4        0       0     3    22
Mitchell        2        1       1       4         5      2        0       0     5    20
 Santana       17        2       5      24        14     26        1       1    21   111
   Total       20        5       7      34        31     33        1       1    30   162


NYM: 461 Outs hit to ShortStop Allowed in 1986, Ground Ball
      Pitchers  PA
     Bob Ojeda  88
 Dwight Gooden  80
   Ron Darling  59
Roger McDowell  51
 Rick Aguilera  45
 Sid Fernandez  36
     Doug Sisk  27
  Jesse Orosco  21
 Randy Niemann  19
 Bruce Berenyi  15
 Rick Anderson  12
 John Mitchell   7
   Terry Leach   1


ETA:

Player Advanced Fielding -- SS
                                                
                                                
          Name        PA RHB% BIP% GBIP% Fld F2O%
Rafael Santana      4304  58%  72%   31% 438  93%
Howard Johnson       837  69%  71%   30%  82  85%
Kevin Mitchell       648  61%  71%   27%  81  85%
  Kevin Elster       376  63%  77%   33%  43  88%
League Average            59%  73%   30%      91%
    Team Total      6165  60%  72%   30% 644  91%


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/29/2020.

RHB% -- Percentage of PAs with a Right-Handed Batter

BIP% -- Percentage of PAs that ended with ball in play

GBIP% -- Percentage of PAs that ended with ground ball in play (not a bunt).

Fld -- Number of balls fielded

F2O% -- Percentage of balls fielded that resulted in outs
   7. Adam Starblind Posted: April 29, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5945825)
Elster -- touted as a fielding phenom. He was so "fluid." But the stats say he was just ok. And he hit like a pile of spaghetti, except for that one year later in his career when he mysteriously smacked 26 home runs.
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 29, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5945833)
Nice to see Endy Chavez get his due. Not sure about this:

From a purely positional aspect, the best left fielder is Bernard Gilkey, with honorable mention to Michael Conforto.

I watched Men in Black. Gilkey let that ball bounce right off his head.

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