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Tuesday, February 11, 2020

Mets’ Familia, Díaz hope nutrition leads to better results

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. (AP) — Jeurys Familia and Edwin Díaz hope improved nutrition will lead to better results.

Familia weighed 270 pounds at the end of last season, when he was 4-2 with a 5.70 ERA, allowing 62 hits in 60 innings with 63 strikeouts and 42 walks. The 6-foot-3 reliever had 51 saves in 2006, when he was an All-Star.

“I was really overweight,” the 30-year-old right-hander said through a translator. “Most seasons I’d be around 240, 245, so I didn’t realize I had gotten that far up in weight. I just wanted to come back and be at the same weight I was for the rest of my career.

“My body feels different, and everything feels a little easier. The most important for me is the balance - you don’t have all that weight on top of you. You’re able to finish better and the way you want.”

Any new thoughts on the food front, since last we discussed it?

 

QLE Posted: February 11, 2020 at 01:17 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: diet, edwin diaz, jeurys familia

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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: February 11, 2020 at 01:37 AM (#5923375)
I didn’t realize I had gotten that far up in weight.

'didn't realize' going from 240 to 270?

I could see not noticing 440 to 470, maybe
   2. Ron J Posted: February 11, 2020 at 07:55 AM (#5923386)
#1 I got up to 265 (from just under 215) without realizing it. It's easy enough when you're just adding a little bit at a time. I assumed I was in the mid 230s when I finally actually checked.
   3. Greg Pope Posted: February 11, 2020 at 09:35 AM (#5923402)
I agree. I can vary from 205 to 225 without really noticing any change.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: February 11, 2020 at 10:15 AM (#5923427)
What Met fans make of the offseason? I feel it has been a bit disappointing.
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: February 11, 2020 at 10:19 AM (#5923434)
That must be hard to gain all that weight when you are physically active every day. That is some real eating.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2020 at 10:21 AM (#5923437)
I agree. I can vary from 205 to 225 without really noticing any change.

Wow, I stay in a pretty tight band from 220 to 230, and I definitely notice when I'm creeping towards 230.

Also, 270 is huge for 6'3". I'm 6'2" 225 and I'm too fat. This guy's an athlete. WTF?
   7. Lassus Posted: February 11, 2020 at 10:39 AM (#5923448)
What Met fans make of the offseason? I feel it has been a bit disappointing.

Was a bit of standing pat, wasn't it?
   8. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 11, 2020 at 10:39 AM (#5923450)
Don't you guys watch "Curb", nobody is going to reveal their true weight, not even for a charter flight.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: February 11, 2020 at 10:47 AM (#5923459)
That must be hard to gain all that weight when you are physically active every day. That is some real eating.

You have to be really active to lose weight without cutting calories. I don't think that relief pitchers naturally meet that standard with the type of workouts they're expected to do. Most people just eat back the calories they drop from exercise without thinking about it. 7 innings of sunflower seeds and gatorade is probably enough to cancel out the gains of throwing 20 MLB pitches.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 11, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5923471)
Any new thoughts on the food front, since last we discussed it?
Not really. Still a fan of food.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: February 11, 2020 at 11:14 AM (#5923481)
Mets fans on WFAN sports talk radio seem okay with the offseason. they love the Betances signing, and expect Thor to have a bounceback year. adding Porcello and Wacha might partly offset the loss of Wheeler. Marisnick can play CF defense when needed.

this team finished 42-21 last season after a slow start, winning 86 games - so the self-immolation meter is low at the moment
   12. PreservedFish Posted: February 11, 2020 at 11:21 AM (#5923490)
The Mets are basically set at every position. Not all of those players are great, and some will disappoint, but they didn't have any gaps that cried out for a major fix. I'm totally fine with the approach of adding guys like Porcello and Wacha and Marisnick and Betances. A great full-time centerfielder would have been nice - they shoulda been in on Mookie! - but you can't have everything.
   13. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: February 11, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5923501)
I had been in the 170s to very low 190s at 5'10" throughout most of my twenties. Life stuff happened a little over six years ago, and I pretty much stopped going to the gym and my nutrition, which could be erratic at times became total crap. It took a few months to go from the low 190s to 200, and I definitely noticed. But man, it was alarming how quickly things got out of hand from there without me being really aware of it, since I stopped weighing myself at that point. I got pretty solidly into the high 220s, low 230s within another few months. Topped out in the low 240s before I finally woke up and did something about it.

Back in the 190s these days thanks to better and more consistent nutrition. Exercise certainly helps, but for most people, it's crazy how much impact, good or bad, nutrition has on your appearance.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2020 at 11:37 AM (#5923508)
You have to be really active to lose weight without cutting calories. I don't think that relief pitchers naturally meet that standard with the type of workouts they're expected to do. Most people just eat back the calories they drop from exercise without thinking about it. 7 innings of sunflower seeds and gatorade is probably enough to cancel out the gains of throwing 20 MLB pitches.

Don't all pitchers do a ton of running?
   15. Greg Pope Posted: February 11, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5923519)
Don't all pitchers do a ton of running?

Jogging in the outfield isn't going to help. Jogging one mile burns about 100 calories. I doubt they run that much on a daily basis, at least as part of standard drills. Running one mile a day for a month would lose you almost a pound. So for the baseball season it's six pounds. That's dwarfed by a person's eating habits.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: February 11, 2020 at 12:00 PM (#5923520)
Don't all pitchers do a ton of running?

No clue. Why would they? Just to fill the hours? And is it, like, running running, or just light jogging? I don't want my relievers setting personal records when they might be needed to pitch in the next day or two.

Exercise certainly helps, but for most people, it's crazy how much impact, good or bad, nutrition has on your appearance.

And it's mostly just how many calories, not the nutritional content. There are people out there thriving on a vegan diet, people thriving on 100% meat, thriving on high-fat and thriving on low-fat. Unless you're eating a diet that is profoundly nutritionally deficient, like literally nothing but potato chips and Mr. Pibb, you'll probably be fine.
   17. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: February 11, 2020 at 03:10 PM (#5923624)
And it's mostly just how many calories, not the nutritional content. There are people out there thriving on a vegan diet, people thriving on 100% meat, thriving on high-fat and thriving on low-fat. Unless you're eating a diet that is profoundly nutritionally deficient, like literally nothing but potato chips and Mr. Pibb, you'll probably be fine.


Very true. Overall body composition will change depending on the macro nutrient breakdown of those calories, but calories in versus calories out still has the most affect on actual scale weight.
   18. Karl from NY Posted: February 11, 2020 at 03:28 PM (#5923639)
'didn't realize' going from 240 to 270?

I did exactly those numbers in a year in college. Never had a scale in the dorm or my frat house, so never checked.

And yes, activity isn't what gets you back down, reduced calorie intake does that.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 11, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5923641)
Jogging one mile burns about 100 calories.

Not when you weigh 270 lbs! It should burn about twice that for a guy of Familia's size. I weigh 165 and every treadmill/app tells me that I burn ~130 cal/mile.

That being said, I agree that even burning an extra 200 calories a day isn't much. It's one pint of beer or large soda. It's like 1/3 of a Big Mac. He'd need to do more than that to lose weight or counter a bad diet. How much running do these guys actually do? I'm guessing it's not much. Probably almost none during the offseason.

And yes, activity isn't what gets you back down, reduced calorie intake does that.

Activity can certainly help you lose weight, but it's gotta be real activity. As I mentioned in the Vlad Jr. thread, I know a fellow runner who went from 330 to 240 in a year while training for his first marathon. But he was training for a marathon, not just running a mile every day or two.
   20. Buck Coats Posted: February 11, 2020 at 04:22 PM (#5923668)
How much running do these guys actually do? I'm guessing it's not much. Probably almost none during the offseason


He's probably an outlier, but this page claims to list Roger Clemens' exercise routine - https://www.starpotentialsports.com/rogerclemenstraining.html


Day 1: The first day after making a start, Roger Clemens would perform extensive cardio drills with upper body and lower body explosion exercises. These exercises would have no breaks in between reps and would be non stop movements for 35 minutes. Some of these exercises include the ones you see in Navy Seals Training videos. Examples : Jump Rope, standing squats, Bicycle crunches, fast push ups, elliptical machine


Day 2: Roger Clemens would perform an indoor set routine which would include 20 minutes of working out on an exercise bike and than 20 additional minutes on a treadmill. He would finish the workout with 450 of different power abs techniques which are abdominal exercise that help Clemens create great torque and movement with his abs to help improve his velocity on the mound.


Day 3: On the third day of the routine Roger Clemens would run for 4 miles and than conclude the day with 25 reps of side shuffles, abs exercises and 20 minutes on the stair climber. The last exercise would be a series of 50 line drops that are much like running line to line in basketball workouts. These exercises would help keep Roger Clemens lower body strong to help with long inning game to generate leg power while pitching. Most pitching power comes from the legs. Its not so much do with just having a great arm.

DAY 4: During day 4 of the exercise routine Roger Clemens would run 15 reps of 100 yard sprints and than go into a complete 24 hours shutdown of no exercise until the day he pitched.


DAY 5 (start): This is probably the most interesting part of what many people dont know about Roger Clemens exercise routine. On Game Day Roger would begin to run five to ten sets of stadium ramps and do exercises in a prone position with 10 pound dumbbells. He would than perform resistance exercises with his arm with rubber band like system to loosen his arm up. After this he would do 40-50 repetitions of shoulder shoulder shrugs holding 40 pound dumbbells. He would than do a full set of stretching movements to loosen up his body and power abs to induce fatigue. Finally Roger Clemens would stand before a full length mirror and go through his pitching motion and delivery 5 to 10 times.

   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 11, 2020 at 04:26 PM (#5923669)
He's probably an outlier, but this page claims to list Roger Clemens' exercise routine - https://www.starpotentialsports.com/rogerclemenstraining.html
Hmmm....I just get this strange feeling that something is missing...
   22. Walt Davis Posted: February 11, 2020 at 04:34 PM (#5923672)
I will bet watts to donuts that your friend cut calories during that time as well. I do have periods where I train like that and, at high intensity, you can burn off about 900-1000 calories per hour. That's about what a TdF rider does, higher on particularly nasty climbing stages. (They of course make sure they consume about that many calories as they ride -- including cans of coke.) That's awesome for weight loss ... if you can maintain a "standard" caloric intake (which I certainly rarely do).

When you're going from 240 to 270, you're obviously consuming a lot more calories than you're burning. So if you maintain the same diet while increasing your activity, you're probably only burning those extra calories and you'll stay around 270. And that's OK (up to a point). Losing weight is good but easily the best thing you can do for your cardiovascular (and much other) health is to become more active (unless you're already highly active).

I have always found it hard to do both -- I've had times where I've lost lots of weight through diet without doing much exercise and periods where I've gotten much fitter through intense exercise without losing weight and only a couple of (shortish) periods where I was able to increase intensity while maintaining or reducing calories. These days I do fairly intensive rides every weekend and will burn between 3,000 to occasionally 6,000 cals over 2 days -- that seems like it should lead to substantial weight loss but it really doesn't. I mean that should be like cutting out at least one day of eating per week -- obviously I eat a lot (or the calories burned estimators are crap).

I don't have much respect for most exercise research and there's lots of not very useful nutritional research out there too but, that said, there are studies suggesting sufficiently intense exercise can shift your metabolism. One online trainer I sometimes use (puts together good cycling workout regimens) claims he can shift you such that your body will increase the %age of calories it burns from fat (I don't really buy it but haven't investigated actual research).

Note, generally speaking, the %age of calories "burned from fat" drops with intensity. You'll still be burning more fat in a 800 cal/hr workout than in a 400 cal/hr workout but it's diminishing returns in terms of fat. That's partly why there's only so much that exercise can do in terms of weight loss and why I suspect the marathon runner substantially changed his diet too.

On noticing/not noticing -- it can sneak up on you, especially as you get older, but it usually takes a lot less than 30 pounds gained to make you lose a notch on the belt or for that comfy shirt to become not so comfy. You know you're gaining you just may not realize how much. And our human brains are very good at not thinking \"####, I should see how much I've gained before this gets out of hand."

When you start exerising, you may not lose weight but you will find yourself getting "trimmer" -- an ounce of muscle takes up less space than an ounce of fat. You might weigh the same but get that belt notch back. Your pants might still be tight in the upper thigh and butt but more of that space is being eaten up by muscle than fat.
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 11, 2020 at 05:03 PM (#5923678)
I will bet watts to donuts that your friend cut calories during that time as well.

Probably. He also lost a lot more than 30 lbs.

I do have periods where I train like that and, at high intensity, you can burn off about 900-1000 calories per hour.

That's impressive. On my most intense rides I burn 700-800 per hour, according to Strava. But even that I've only done a couple of times. I can burn 1,000+ in an hour of running, but it's hard for me to do that on a bike.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: February 11, 2020 at 05:03 PM (#5923679)
yeah, getting regular exercise is fantastic for your bodies in countless ways - but weight loss is not at the very top of the list. there can be an indirect correlation, though. if you keep putting together solid workouts, many people don't want to "give it all back" in a 10-minute junk-food eating binge.

my other observation is - you guys need scales! I'm not exactly Olympic-ready here at 6 foot and 210, but that scale keeps me from going further off the deep end, at least. I've never reached 220 - but if I do, I'll know it within a day or two and the ALARM bell will go off.

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